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Alcohol is sold out everywhere in my area...so phone soap it is.
Crazy. I happened to have some in the medicine cabinet. TP, NSAIDs, Lysol, and hand soap were all hit hard at our local stores. Strangely enough, so were the 1.5 gallon tubs of ice cream. If you're gonna be indoors for a while, might as well make sure you have ice cream.
 
"has killed a few thousand" SO FAR. It remains to be seen how this ramps up. Waiting until after there's a million dead before taking any precautions would be incredibly foolish. Better to take some precautions now. You don't put on your seatbelt because you plan to run into another car, you do it as a precaution, because the unlikely outcome if you don't is rather severe.
Agreed, but I think his point is the hyper hysteria. People keep pointing out that the flu mortality rate is lower. OK great, and that is with vaccines available. I think something like 50% of Americans choose not to get the flu vaccine each year. So with thousands dying each year from that, why isn't that just as incredibly foolish? I would say that it is, but there doesn't seem to be such an incredible uproar over it.
 
Agreed, but I think his point is the hyper hysteria. People keep pointing out that the flu mortality rate is lower. OK great, and that is with vaccines available. I think something like 50% of Americans choose not to get the flu vaccine each year. So with thousands dying each year from that, why isn't that just as incredibly foolish? I would say that it is, but there doesn't seem to be such an incredible uproar over it.
There should be.

But most of us can mitigate their bad decisions by getting the shot ourselves (Don't @-me with "it's not 100% effective, blah blah blah." The point is, we feel like we have some control.)
 
It's killed a few thousand out of only about 100 thousand infected. If 7 billion were infected, at this rate, over 150M would be dead. Over 6M dead in the USA. So take this seriously and please help stop spreading it.

You are not thinking this through. We know the rate of influenza deaths because flu testing is so widespread. You could go to your doctor right now and get a near-instant test result. Therefore, we know that many people that get the flu don't die. In fact, I actually even think flu stats are inflated, because many stats include those that had 'flu-like symptoms' who weren't actually tested for influenza. They lump those in, even if it may not have actually been the influenza virus.

However, COVID-19 doesn't have testing available like that yet. Only the people that are very sick or in hot zones are being tested, and as a result, the death rate appears higher than is likely the reality. Before, if not still, much of the testing has required samples be sent to the CDC. You think every person out there with milder symptoms are being tested for this? Of course not. They have it, they get better, and they never become part of the stats. It's skewing the numbers, and they will continue to be skewed until every clinic and family practitioner in every city in the U.S. has test kits on hand, like they do for the flu.

I think the argument for keeping perspective is a good one. We know how many die from flu in raw numbers, and it's a lot, at least much larger than COVID-19 right now, in raw numbers. We know how many have died so far from COVID-19, and it is comparatively small. We know that we don't know how many people truly have it or have had it, because testing is limited. In other words, it's way too early to be in any other state of mind than what we would be in during flu season, which is: I'm going to use common sense. Wash my hands. Stay home when I'm sick. Avoid people that are sick. That's it. When we have more information, one way or the other, than we can either panic, or else collectively feel silly for how we acted.
 
Yeah. People on here are cracking me up. Pretending this is the plague or a zombie apocalypse or something. lol. A few people have died, big deal. There are many far more realistic threats, but yeah, lets pretend a virus that has killed a few thousand people out of over 7 billion is a big deal.

For most younger people, which I assume includes a large percentage of MacRumors readers, there is very little to worry about with regards to the coronavirus making you deathly sick, or even killing you. But if you're older (over 50) or have any kind of compromised immune system, this virus is something you absolutely need to worry about.

And even for those people who are younger than 50 and in good health, unless you have no parents or grandparents, don't work with or go to school with someone older or of compromised health, etc., thinking you have nothing to worry about with Covid19, would simply be your narcissistic personality showing through.

If you contract it, you might just feel like you've got the flu, but if you are in contact with parents or grandparents, older co-workers, teachers, etc., the chances are far greater that you will pass it on to these people who may in fact die from it.

This virus is worse than the flu...about 35 times worse and there are no anti-viral medications or vaccines to minimize the effects, like there are with the various strains of the common flu.

I find it really interesting to be able to watch just how quickly and widely it's spreading. I'd say we're seeing it in real time, but I think the lack of more widespread testing is actually suppressing just how widely it has already spread. This really shows how small of a world it has become.

The flu has been around for so long, we don't think about transmission unless we get sick ourselves - and even then we're not really concerned with then further infecting loved ones, family, friends, etc., because there are ways to combat it. And we're just starting to deal with coronavirus as a singular strain of virus. What happens if/when it adapts and changes, like the flu does?
 
I've had one for a while. Haven't been impressed with the construction because half the time it doesn't come on when I close the lid. I have been using it a lot recently though.

I thought the same thing with mine, but then I realized that sometimes it needs to warm-up first. I'll close the lid and the light doesn't come on, but after standing there watching it for less than a minute, it suddenly comes on. So sometimes for me it comes on instantly, and other times up to nearly a one minute delay.
 
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I thought the same thing with mine, but then I realized that sometimes it needs to warm-up first. I'll close the lid and the light doesn't come on, but after standing there watching it for less than a minute, it suddenly comes on. So sometimes for me it comes on instantly, and other times up to nearly a one minute delay.

That's really interesting. I'm going to watch mine and see if it does this. Thanks for the tip!
 
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How important is is to wash your phone if nobody else ever touches it?

I can't remember the last time anybody other than my wife touched my phone for any reason whatsoever.

what if you touch something like handgrips on a bus and then interact with your phone?
 
Please, please get your coronavirus facts outside of one person's twitter account who is more concerned about how this global threat affects him, and himself only. You are welcome to look for other sources, there are many articles out there from many sources, but it should be one with actual doctors and other actual experts being quoted, without having to go through a filter to downplay the situation and pat the boss on the back.

All i stated was the numbers of deaths from the Flu this year. Which are astronomically higher than this coronavirus. Fact.
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Please...educate yourself. Though I suspect you're just craving for some attention.

It has a 99.7% recovery rate for people below the age of 50. The flu kills thousands, and hundreds of thousands a year. Why is this such a big deal when the current US mortality rate is less than this years flu? 0.03 vs 0.09. This is just the media wanting attention to generate ratings. Just like everything else they do. Remember when we thought SARS would kill us all? Or Ebola? Or Zika? whatever happened to those "Scares"?
 
It has a 99.7% recovery rate for people below the age of 50. The flu kills thousands, and hundreds of thousands a year. Why is this such a big deal when the current US mortality rate is less than this years flu? 0.03 vs 0.09. This is just the media wanting attention to generate ratings. Just like everything else they do. Remember when we thought SARS would kill us all? Or Ebola? Or Zika? whatever happened to those "Scares"?

As others have stated, for starters, there is no vaccine for COVID-19 and it can take many months to a year-and-a-half (according to the President's own officials) to get one to market. The flu numbers you are providing occur despite there being a vaccine available. What’s worse, doctors fear COVID-19 will mutate. Then there's the part where the flu virus will linger on surfaces for 2 days, where it's up to 9 days for COVID-19.

No reputable news agencies are saying that this is going to kill us all. But no reputable news agencies should downplay the potential severity of it. 'The Media' are not what caused so much of China to shut down. The misinformation and confusion, instead of leading, is what's making things worse.

To make this comment on topic, it's likely going to affect the Spring refresh of Apple products, possibly affect the release of the fall products, and their next earnings report or more. Big deal in the grand scheme of things? Of course not. But we're on MacRumors, so this topic has to be covered with an Apple spin.

Btw, you shouldn't compare the mortality rate for one sub-group of the population (below the age of 50) versus the mortality rate of the entire population (including the elderly you left out in the first one), and compare. Statistics don't work that way.
 
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I would worry about the isopropyl alcohol harming the lipophobic and anti-glare coatings. Also those wipes are slightly abrasive, which can further degrade the coating.

My question to the experts is: Does cleaning an iPhone with a drop of dish soap on a wet towel sufficiently remove germs?
I think just about any type of soap kills germs.
 
yeh that clorox is good stuff in the bathroom
i use something less harsh antibacterial wise on my devices
 
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Interesting. I could not see that quote on the linked Apple page on my Mac using Safari, Chrome or Firefox.. However, I could see it when using my iPhone.

Here's the correct URL (strange that MacRumors hasn't fixed it but good to see Arn in the comments):
 
It's not a flu, smart guy. You may think its funny to joke about 150,000,000 dead people, and if one of your loved ones is one of them I hope you keep laughing.

He's trolling. Time to add him to the ignore list.
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Stay home even if you feel fine

No, we don't want people to do that either. Just avoid assembling as large crowds, stop shaking hands for a while, don't leave the house if you feel sick in any fashion, and give people a little extra space when you can.
 
It has a 99.7% recovery rate for people below the age of 50. The flu kills thousands, and hundreds of thousands a year. Why is this such a big deal when the current US mortality rate is less than this years flu? 0.03 vs 0.09. This is just the media wanting attention to generate ratings. Just like everything else they do. Remember when we thought SARS would kill us all? Or Ebola? Or Zika? whatever happened to those "Scares"?


The Italian government today announced the entire country is now locked down. Do you really believe they're victims of the attention and ratings-grabbing media?
 
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