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An Apple TV Refresh is Coming in 2025 - Here's What You Should Know
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HobeSoundDarryl
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Resurrect Front Row as Front Row 2! That was a crack at putting an AppleTV interface with remote control functionality on Macs. It worked fine. Now that A-series and M-series chips are so similar, it should be much easier to put the full AppleTV UI on a Mac as "Front Row 2." Apple just needs the will & motivation. You'd think they would have it as selling a much pricier Mac for this purpose seems like it would scratch the paramount itch for Apple Inc. 💰💰💰
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To counter that, it is hands down the cleanest and fastest interface I have used. Not sure what I would get out of a new ATV since the streaming specs have not changed since the last one was released.
Ya, bring Front Row back to the Mac!! But TV OS Style
My Apple TV plays for hours and hours straight and has never once overheated. Are you sitting on yours?
Nothing compelling to justify an upgrade. That'll be a no from me, dawg.
I think the user is talking about gaming
Perhaps there are some more taxing games out there on tvOS?
Same, and even install virtualbox and run my Home Assistant too. Never gonna happen tho.
Glad that’s not just me, I notice the lags and stutters all the time.
HobeSoundDarryl
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With great love for this Apple product (I have one attached to every TV in the house), I have nearly ZERO interest for gen 4 of a 4K AppleTV.
It doesn't really matter if it has wifi6e or 7 or 8 or 10 as the movie streams just fine on wifi 2 or 4. It's the same if there was rumor of 10GbE ethernet, 5GbE or 2.5GbE ethernet. 100Mbps is fast enough to smoothly stream 4K video.
Slightly faster A-series is OK but existing A-series doesn't show "long in tooth" effects. Ray Tracing sounds great but where are the Ray Traced games for capable Apple tech?
I'd like to see a more meaningful feature set than only "slightly faster."
It doesn't really matter if it has wifi6e or 7 or 8 or 10 as the movie streams just fine on wifi 2 or 4. It's the same if there was rumor of 10GbE ethernet, 5GbE or 2.5GbE ethernet. 100Mbps is fast enough to smoothly stream 4K video.
Slightly faster A-series is OK but existing A-series doesn't show "long in tooth" effects. Ray Tracing sounds great but where are the Ray Traced games for capable Apple tech?
I'd like to see a more meaningful feature set than only "slightly faster."
In what environment does it overheat? Never experienced that with any appleTV and I have had every version.
What they need is to stop with the oversimplified remote and add 4 programable soft buttons for favorite streaming services. Not fixed buttons like Roku, but programable like you can achieve on Google TV using Button Mapper.
I suppose if you use it as your HomeKit hub, or streaming games, this might be a worthy upgrade. But I only use it to watch TV (I have a HomePod Mini for HomeKit hub), and the 4K Apple TV is just fine for that.
Last time an Apple TV refresh was rumoured, it took more than 3 years to get released. Just saying.
From AppleTV11,1 / J305 (September 4, 2019) and half a year later February 6, 2020 (iOS 13.4 beta) until October 18, 2022 (4K 2nd gen.).
Looks like the final device does indeed use the J305 SEP. So I guess they've been fiddling with what would become tvOS 15, and the A12 production to become super affordable or something, in the mean time.
Just don't hold your breath now.
From AppleTV11,1 / J305 (September 4, 2019) and half a year later February 6, 2020 (iOS 13.4 beta) until October 18, 2022 (4K 2nd gen.).
Looks like the final device does indeed use the J305 SEP. So I guess they've been fiddling with what would become tvOS 15, and the A12 production to become super affordable or something, in the mean time.
Just don't hold your breath now.
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This.
The interface is bad, voice search and Siri don't come close to Google Assistant or Alexa in other streamers (even Roku does this better)... content recommendations and curation are subpar. ATV really should be BEST in class and it's outdone from a $25 streaming stick.
What makes it worse is it's using iPhone chips!!! I really think they are afraid of the ATV competing with Macs... but it can absolutely run web browsers, email clients, tons of apps, and double as a minicomputer in every way but it does none of that.
I hope the rumors of a model with a camera are true because it would make a great zoom/teams/meet device (if they'd allow the apps in the ATV app store). ATV could be the best conference room device there is if they wanted to it to be... so much potential and yet - a cheap dongle kicks its but in every way. Dongle's that in many cases, can support web cams!
a cheap workaround old nintendo nes games that didnt have batteries to save game saves, instead used passwords. "cheap QR codes"
Hopefully better and faster syncing between Apple Fitness and an Apple Watch. Airpods may also benefit.
Here’s what I should (edit: know) about it: I’ll know whether it’s of interest when Apple confirms the hardware and services features for the device. That’s it.
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Same here. If his is overheating, I'd be very concerned about a hardware issue and he should turn it off immediately to avoid risk of fire.
GoogleTV “App Only Mode” is also very clean probably less cluttered compared to TvOS. Stop fooling yourself, try App Only Mode and see what I mean.
I think it needs to be barely better but at a lower price. Right now the price is a joke.
I just got a Roku Streambar 4K, the more powerful one, and at full price that is $130. That's a 4k Roku with a nice sounding soundbar with processing for 5.1 formats that can support wireless sub and up to four wireless satellites for atmos etc. The Roku interface is simple and offers all the same streaming services including AppleTV, and integrates streaming "channels" better than AppleTV.
Everything is perfect just need 120hz/ProMotion on the tvOS UI/supported apps and we're good
Happens on Roku and Google/Android TV as well. I think it's an issue with the apps the companies build and not the boxes that run them.
App Only mode and Button Mapper really makes a difference. But it removes the smart searching features. Roku allows you to turn off most everything annoying and still retain the smart searching.
I'll have to give that a try because I do not like their default interface.
Personally, the Roku ads annoy me. I have had one in one of my rooms for a few years, now it is telling me to delete apps and cannot load YouTubeTV without a few minutes of frustration every time I fire it up.
I've been waiting for the new one, so will buy it when it comes out
Apple hasn't refreshed the Apple TV since 2022, but rumors suggest that we're finally going to get an update in 2025. We don't have a full picture of what to expect yet, but we have some hints on what's coming.
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Updated A-Series Chip
The current Apple TV 4K uses the A15 Bionic chip that was in the iPhone 13 lineup, and it's time for an update. Apple doesn't design chips specifically for the Apple TV, and it instead uses chips from the iPhone.
If Apple wants to bring Apple Intelligence features to the Apple TV, the next-generation model will have the A17 Pro or better along with at least 8GB RAM.
Apple Intelligence makes sense for the Apple TV given that part of Apple Intelligence is a new, smarter version of Siri. Siri has always been a specific focus on the Apple TV, with Apple encouraging users to ask Siri to find content to watch.
The A17 Pro would also allow for higher-quality console-style games because it supports hardware-accelerated ray tracing. The iPhone and iPad can support console games like Resident Evil 4 and Death Stranding, and those games are also likely to be playable on the next Apple TV.
Wi-Fi 6E
Apple is expected to use a custom Bluetooth and Wi-Fi chip for the Apple TV 4K. The chip will support Wi-Fi 6E, which will allow the Apple TV to connect to faster 6GHz networks when available.
Right now, Apple offers both a Wi-Fi only Apple TV 4K and a Wi-Fi + Ethernet model, and that could continue with the next-generation model. We could also see the next Apple TV adopt Bluetooth 5.3.
The Apple TV is expected to continue to offer Thread integration and support for Matter when used as a home hub for smart home products. Wi-Fi 6E could theoretically improve connectivity for smart home products because the 6GHz band typically has reduced signal interference and more bandwidth.
Design
It's looking like Apple has no plans to redesign the Apple TV. We're not expecting form factor updates, and the next-generation Apple TV will continue to feature the same slimmed-down black plastic body that the current model uses.
Pricing
Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has been saying that Apple might debut a cheaper Apple TV, and that under $100 would be the "sweet spot." Apple may lower prices on the new model, but it's more likely that the current version will stick around and be sold at a discount.
The current Apple TV starts at $129 for 64GB of storage.
Launch Date
We're expecting the Apple TV to see a refresh sometime in late 2025, likely in September or October.
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