I honestly don't see why full size apps aren't allowed. They allow you to download 4gb apps that can take up much more space once installed, on 8gb iPhones as long as you have the space.
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An In-Depth Look at Storage and App Thinning on the New Apple TV
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So in other words, every developer is having to go throw lots of steps and lots of pain to make their app work because Apple is cheap and won't put in 64 GB and 128 GB?
I feel like the Apple TV is going to end up like the Apple watch, AKA no apps!
I'm sorry but the Apple TV v4 comes in 32GB and 64GB sizes, so I don't know why you're saying it's won't put in 64GB
(I've ordered the 64GB one, and will 'pass on' my old v3 model to a friend
I'm about as big an Apple fan as they come but I will not be upgrading my current Apple TV, I'll be moving to Roku, at least for now. There are two main reasons, first (and most important to me) is the awful Netflix interface they have, regardless of content or resolution, navigation is clunky and unfriendly, this appears to have no update. The second is I want to be fully 4K compatible as soon as I upgrade my TV, my new iPhone will shoot it in, seems a shame that they don't provide you with a way to view it as well.
So in other words, every developer is having to go throw lots of steps and lots of pain to make their app work because Apple is cheap and won't put in 64 GB and 128 GB?
I feel like the Apple TV is going to end up like the Apple watch, AKA no apps!
Apple releases software that uses up most of the space on your device.
OMG Apple just did that to screw users and make you upgrade to a bigger device!
Apple releases software that aggressively conserves space on your device.
OMG Apple just did that to screw developers and make the apps suck!
The whining adapts to any and all situations
I feel really torn about this. I suppose Apple didn't want to confuse users or bifurcate the app store into a "remote" and "controller-only" sections. I think from that perspective the decision makes a certain amount of sense. However, I would like to have some awesome games on the platform and hopefully their "200MB" rule and their remote rule won't prevent awesome games from coming.
We'll see how this all goes. I already ordered my AppleTV and can't wait to try it out!
So in other words, every developer is having to go throw lots of steps and lots of pain to make their app work because Apple is cheap and won't put in 64 GB and 128 GB?
I feel like the Apple TV is going to end up like the Apple watch, AKA no apps!
No, they want developers to code as efficiently as possible, and not download the entire content at once.
This seems like they're unnecessarily complicating things. Flash memory is cheap, why worry about trying to save resources?
Anyway, it's intriguing that all of this shuffles between the device itself and the App Store- if so, if your (recent vintage) Mac OS X Server is set up properly, hopefully all of the stuff on the "App Store" will be cached on your Server at some point so you don't have to wait to download something again. Hopefully.
Anyway, it's intriguing that all of this shuffles between the device itself and the App Store- if so, if your (recent vintage) Mac OS X Server is set up properly, hopefully all of the stuff on the "App Store" will be cached on your Server at some point so you don't have to wait to download something again. Hopefully.
That's makes no sense.
You might as well say I can get a 128GB flash drive for $60 which is 8 times the storage of an iPhone for a fraction of the cost. You're not factoring in a screen, low energy (power) constraints for all the components, a battery, charging system and many other things that I can't think of at the moment. Nothing in the set top box needs to be low energy or small way cheaper to make.
Gary
I think that totally depends on what you may need it for. In my case,I'm not planning on downloading any games at all. I don't even think I'll use the Siri remote. I've got over 3Tb of content in my iTunes library that I stream off of other Apple TV's in my house. I buy a lot of blu-rays,the ones with the digital copies. I upload the digital copies into iTunes all the time. That way family and friends can enjoy my digital library throughout the house.
I was going to buy another ATV anyway for another room in the house. So I'll enjoy the faster processor,live screensavers and much needed updated menu.
So for me I have no intent,at least not initially of downloading any games/apps.
32gb is just fine for my situation. Not everyone,but me for sure.
EVERY?!?
Apple IS putting in 64GB.
I feel like the Apple TV is going to end up like the Apple watch, AKA no apps!
What kind of apps is the watch lacking? (I mean useful apps for a Watch interface!)
Gary
Wait and see on this one, I guess.
If Apple vetoes apps from Google Photos, Amazon Prime, Put.io, Google Music, etc., I think I'll finally move away from ATV.
It's not really different than the current generation Amazon and Android TV offerings. Roku is much more robust, but I personally find the UI so ugly that it's sitting in a drawer here.
If Apple vetoes apps from Google Photos, Amazon Prime, Put.io, Google Music, etc., I think I'll finally move away from ATV.
It's not really different than the current generation Amazon and Android TV offerings. Roku is much more robust, but I personally find the UI so ugly that it's sitting in a drawer here.
I could imagine this being an anti-piracy measure. You can't just download the app and be done - you need to also need to get possibly multiple bundles of content from the app store. Trivial if you're using a legal copy, it should be entirely in the background - you'd never know. But it might be all but impossible to pirate entire games if the entire game is never stored locally, but instead only a portion is.
The new Apple TV is the second strike in a row for Apple. The first was the Apple Watch.
OK, so this new Apple TV. What are its big new features?
- Siri? Most people I know never use Siri on their phones, so why would it be a huge selling point?
- Universal search? Sure, this is a great idea, but when Plex and Amazon aren't available, it's kind of pointless. "Univeral search" isn't "universal" unless it covers all the big players.
- Gaming? The remotes cost $79!!! More than the much, much, much better gaming controllers from Sony and Microsoft. Come on Apple, you can't get away with charging the Apple tax if your products are demonstrably inferior.
OK, so this new Apple TV. What are its big new features?
- Siri? Most people I know never use Siri on their phones, so why would it be a huge selling point?
- Universal search? Sure, this is a great idea, but when Plex and Amazon aren't available, it's kind of pointless. "Univeral search" isn't "universal" unless it covers all the big players.
- Gaming? The remotes cost $79!!! More than the much, much, much better gaming controllers from Sony and Microsoft. Come on Apple, you can't get away with charging the Apple tax if your products are demonstrably inferior.
I'm confused why Apple didn't decide to support 4k out of the box. Seems to me that it uses the same processor as the iPad Air and that device is pretty close to 4k resolution. Doesn't seem like it would be that much a stretch for Apple to bump up. I'm ok with the Netflix interface, but then again I haven't messed with the Roku. I've been without cable for probably 5 years now and use the AppleTV as my main entertainment device. I'm excited about the upgrade even if it's not totally perfect yet.
HobeSoundDarryl
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Record from what? It has no OTA antenna jack for local digital television. It has no cable/satt jack for video from those sources. It's apparently launching without any kind of subscription service. So what would you be recording if pretty much everything is streaming from some recording held in the cloud?
Apple releases software that uses up most of the space on your device.
OMG Apple just did that to screw users and make you upgrade to a bigger device!
Apple releases software that aggressively conserves space on your device.
OMG Apple just did that to screw developers and make the apps suck!
The whining adapts to any and all situations
Don't worry.. Only happens in Macrumors.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
What I don't get is why do this "app thinning" this way? Why not just download the apps in full to the same computers to which the 
TV must be connected anyway... then stream the chunks needed on demand from local storage on those computers? Why make this so that the chunks must be downloaded from Apple servers every time? It IS going to be a problem for people with capped bandwidth.
Download in full once (just like we do with other iDevice apps) and store them (in full) on the same computer where our other iDevice apps are stored.TV then streams over the parts of the apps it needs just like it streams over the parts of the movie it needs... from that local computer in our homes. With this option, it seems like even 32GB would be overkill as one would only need enough onboard storage for the one app you want to run at any given time.
The added option of downloading from the cloud would be great for those situations where you are traveling or want to take theTV over to someone else's house and play some games. But given that it will mostly be the most IMmobile iDevice in the lineup, it seems a bit odd to me that it would have this somewhat greater dependency on "the cloud" than even a very mobile iPhone.
TV must be connected anyway... then stream the chunks needed on demand from local storage on those computers? Why make this so that the chunks must be downloaded from Apple servers every time? It IS going to be a problem for people with capped bandwidth.Download in full once (just like we do with other iDevice apps) and store them (in full) on the same computer where our other iDevice apps are stored.
TV then streams over the parts of the apps it needs just like it streams over the parts of the movie it needs... from that local computer in our homes. With this option, it seems like even 32GB would be overkill as one would only need enough onboard storage for the one app you want to run at any given time.The added option of downloading from the cloud would be great for those situations where you are traveling or want to take the
TV over to someone else's house and play some games. But given that it will mostly be the most IMmobile iDevice in the lineup, it seems a bit odd to me that it would have this somewhat greater dependency on "the cloud" than even a very mobile iPhone.
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What a horridly written piece. Pretty typical of MacRumors. Doesn't provide any useful information and gives you nothing more than a couple quotes from the very first article you'd find if you Google searched for "Apple TV app limits".
I'd explain how this storage works in more depth but it seems most just want to argue about how they think developers could use it or how Apple could change the requirements while never caring to know how developers are actually using it.
I'd explain how this storage works in more depth but it seems most just want to argue about how they think developers could use it or how Apple could change the requirements while never caring to know how developers are actually using it.