An Inside Look at Google's Reaction to the Original iPhone Introduction

[Alx9876]

My suggestion is that they start over again. Their cheap copy of IOS looks like they are following the leader and adding small useless gimmicky garbage and calling it a day.

Why don't they let the people that want iOS have iOS and the google users have something completely different?

We are not all the same; Why should we be forced to pick between an original and a copy of it?

Start over again, Google.

 

[mKTank]

We are not all the same; Why should we be forced to pick between an original and a copy of it?

I agree.

Start over again, Apple.

 

[Alx9876]

I agree.

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Start over again, Apple.

Most people forget that around the time Android launched and started out, Jailbreaking was well established. Android took everything it could out of the jailbreak community to help Android become what it is today.

Apple just took back what was rightfully in its own backyard prior to Android stealing those features and making it theirs.

People forget this recent history from a few short years back. Unreal.

 

[numlock]

Most people forget that around the time Android launched and started out, Jailbreaking was well established. Android took everything it could out of the jailbreak community to help Android become what it is today.

Apple just took back what was rightfully in its own backyard prior to Android stealing those features and making it theirs.

People forget this recent history from a few short years back. Unreal.

rightfully?

do you have a date on all these and more when they became available and cydia and the like and then for android? apple did nothing to assist the jailbreak scene

why did it take them so long then? is it better to lift ideas and implementations from the jailbreak community than android?

love your point about forgetting recent history.

 

[Max(IT)]

I agree.

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Start over again, Apple.

This picture is ridiculous ...

Control center and notification center are two separate thing in iOS 7, so the first picture is totally bs.
Multitasking is totally different (and that is HTC implementation, not vanilla android).
The lock screen is totally different, wallpaper aside ...
And Google Music is totally different from Apple Music.

A very poor attempt of flaming ...

 

[SirLance99]

Apple has changed the world.

So has Google, MS, IBM and many many others. Apple is great, but not the only ones changing the world and how we interact with tech in our daily lives.

 

[dernhelm]

In 2008, Android was a laggy, ugly and buggy iOS wannabe.

Now it's exactly the opposite.

Wrong. There is nothing leggy or buggy about iOS on the phone I have. The fact that iOS and Android now look similar has as much to do with Android migrating to Apples way of doing things as it does Apple copying Androids skin and moving away from skeumorphism.

 

[Tech198]

ick....


as "old" as it looks, some people still prefer QWERTY keyboard on phones, and that's even today. My parents are one of them

I can't even believe from 2007 onwards they still manufacture QWERTY keyboard mobile phones.

Google rally said "holly crap" ?? I would have said another word..

 

[SirLance99]

Well it looks so pathetic. Just think though if there had been no iPhone, we would probably still be using something similar to what is in that picture.

This is a crazy statement and completely untrue.

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No.

Only Palm and its licenees created credible touch devices.
But these were quite different than the iPhone. They used resistive, single-point touch screens that required a stylus and/or physical keyboard for all but the simplest operations. But at least they actually created an OS an applications that were designed for (limited) touch.
There were other devices, but the touch was a gimmick at best because it made the devices harder, not easier to use because they didn't bother creating UIs designed for touch.

The iPhone was the first touch device where fingers on screen were the primary (nearly the only) input device where the device had any level of usability, much less an entire UI system designed to optimize that kind of input.

If you think the market was moving in that direction before the iPhone, go back a read what Apple's competitors were saying about it. They pretty much universally panned and dismissed the way its touch screen worked. Only after a few years of watching the iPhone eat their lunch did they change their tune.

Apple isn't perfect but give them credit where it's due. They went in a different direction than everyone else and everyone else was forced to follow.

Apple does the same with pretty much everything any other company is making that Apple is not. S-Pen for the Note 1,2,3 very successful, 7in-8in tablets which is the hottest selling size for all OEMs, bigger screens for phones.

Point is, all companies dismiss other companies when they come out with something they don't have. That's how you do business.

 

[melendezest]

I agree.

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Start over again, Apple.

Wow. I didn't realize the similarities were so...blatant.

I am one of the few who believe iOS 6 to be better-looking than it's successor, and after seeing the pic you posted I can see that Apple threw the baby out with the bathwater. What exactly did Jony Ive "design" for iOS 7???

Oh well. The wife wants (wants!) a Note 3 and I am getting issued an S4 for work. Our 4ses will be passed on to the kids as iPods.

Looks like my family's Apple divorce is well on its way.

Well, more of a separation really, since I'm not giving up OSX (Mountain Lion, that is; I skipped Mavericks too), and I'll continue to keep an eye out on the refurb section for 17in MBPs or hi-res 15 cMBPs as they show up.

And despite iOS 7, the iPad still rocks mainly due to the App Store and it's unique form factor. But I'll be jailbreaking as soon as I can.

 

[deluxeshredder]

Wrong. There is nothing laggy or buggy about iOS on the phone I have. The fact that iOS and Android now look similar has as much to do with Android migrating to Apples way of doing things as it does Apple copying Androids skin and moving away from skeumorphism.

I found iOS 7 to be very laggy and buggy on numerous devices.

Android hasn't been migrating to Apple's way of doing things. Android started as a spiritual successor to Windows Mobile with an iOS-like UI and has been evolving ever since. Apple pioneered the touch UI with the iPhone, evolved iOS for several years, attempted to knock down Android/Samsung with a patent war and then hypocritically ripped of Android when the ideas ran out.

 

[SirLance99]

The 2 Android phones used in my household by my daughter and my wife started off great, but gradually began exhibiting bizarre behavior like spontaneous rebooting, sudden power drains, crashing apps, lock-ups, etc. My wife switched to an iPhone two years ago and has been absolutely thrilled with it since. My daughter still has a few months to go but she can't wait to get out Android jail. Her Android phone is so screwy at this point that she more or less uses it for texting and nothing else. And she has to keep the screen to its lowest brightness to minimize the insane battery drain.

So, good for you. You've managed to own an Android phone that doesn't suck. Wish we'd been that lucky. Regardless, those Android phones did accomplish something: they created two new Apple die-hards in my house. I'm not griping.

I deal with customers with all kinds of phones everyday and see the exact same thing with Apple users as well. It happens with all OEMs, even Apple

 

[mKTank]

This picture is ridiculous ...

Control center and notification center are two separate thing in iOS 7, so the first picture is totally bs.

It comes out from the bottom instead of the top doesn't make it different.

Multitasking is totally different (and that is HTC implementation, not vanilla android).

It being brighter in color and centered doesn't make it different. And it being from manufacturer B instead of A doesn't mean that Apple didn't copy it.

The lock screen is totally different, wallpaper aside ...

It being a centered clock and, again, a brighter color doesn't make it different.

And Google Music is totally different from Apple Music.

It being a slightly different icon size doesn't make it different.


I'm sorry, I truly am, but even with me making the arguments as strong as I could (as opposed to just saying "totally different") there's still no argument being made here. No they're not totally different sorry.

A very poor attempt of flaming ...

How was that flaming? I'm talking strictly about the argument at hand and I never insulted anyone.

Unlike...

Dude I don't know how old are you, but I'm old enough to have followed smartphone market since its beginning.

 

[mKTank]

Wow. I didn't realize the similarities were so...blatant.

I am one of the few who believe iOS 6 to be better-looking than it's successor, and after seeing the pic you posted I can see that Apple threw the baby out with the bathwater. What exactly did Jony Ive "design" for iOS 7???

I honestly believe that with iOS 7 apple threw away over half a decade of engineering and stability and started from scratch for the sake of looking slightly different. Except they did the redesign wrong: the animations are a mess, the bugs are ridiculous, and the inconsistency in design is a huge step back. Ive is a master in hardware design but he doesn't know a thing about software and it shows. The same frustration with iOS 7 is why I'm now happily an Android user. The Note 3 is easily the best phone on the market and I'm staggered by the wealth of features on this thing. Android has indeed come a LONG way. iPhone has a lot of work to catch up on.

And despite iOS 7, the iPad still rocks mainly due to the App Store and it's unique form factor. But I'll be jailbreaking as soon as I can.

Indeed. I love Android but I can admit Android tablets are pretty crappy compared to iPad. Apps just aren't there yet.

 

[Max(IT)]

It comes out from the bottom instead of the top doesn't make it different.


It being brighter in color and centered doesn't make it different. And it being from manufacturer B instead of A doesn't mean that Apple didn't copy it.


It being a centered clock and, again, a brighter color doesn't make it different.


It being a slightly different icon size doesn't make it different.


I'm sorry, I truly am, but even with me making the arguments as strong as I could (as opposed to just saying "totally different") there's still no argument being made here. No they're not totally different sorry.


How was that flaming? I'm talking strictly about the argument at hand and I never insulted anyone.

Unlike...

You clearly are here just for the sake of flaming ....
I can't explain otherwise someone who don't know that apple lock screen is here since beginning (with a couple of redesigns) , years before ICS, and who ignore that in iOS 7 notification and control center are two different, separate things, unlike Android ....

Control center e notification center two totally different and separate things:

In the same way this:

is different from this:

But I'm sure you know it very well and you are going to deny it nonetheless because I know people like you who feel the urge to "save" all of us, driving us to Android.

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

Not only does 64-bit hardware give Apple a leg up in the cell-phone software business, but, even more importantly, it gives Apple a viable alternative to Intel for just about everything eventually.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Wrong. There is nothing leggy or buggy about iOS on the phone I have. The fact that iOS and Android now look similar has as much to do with Android migrating to Apples way of doing things as it does Apple copying Androids skin and moving away from skeumorphism.

Apple has been blatantly taking more cues from Palm's WebOS and Android than the other way around.

However, Google has been taking cues from Apple in making their services and apps much more simplified.

Indeed. I love Android but I can admit Android tablets are pretty crappy compared to iPad. Apps just aren't there yet.

Also agreed. While iOS7 has made my former iPad all but useless for my wife, it's still hands down a better experience than most of the Android tablets I've found.

Samsung's Note series aside, most of the rest of the line are just big smartphones albeit with more usability than the iPad for average apps. The rest are so bloated with apps that you can't even find Android underneath it all.

Then, we have the terrible designs in many of them. The Galaxy tabs being my second favorite, the LG G-Pad Play version being the top of my list.

 

[Macist]

At least Google copied the hell out of the iPhone as fast as possible. Nokia and Blackberry just sat around with their fingers in their ears going 'lalalala'.

 

[Renzatic]

At least Google copied the hell out of the iPhone as fast as possible. Nokia and Blackberry just sat around with their fingers in their ears going 'lalalala'.

Nokia used Symbian quite a bit before iOS came out. It and Blackberry OS already looked a lot like iOS before 2007. The biggest difference between those two and iOS was their main method of interaction.

 

[mKTank]

You clearly are here just for the sake of flaming ....

Please stop using the term "flaming" if you don't know what it is. I never insulted anybody and you did.

I can't explain otherwise someone who don't know that apple lock screen is here since beginning (with a couple of redesigns) , years before ICS, and who ignore that in iOS 7 notification and control center are two different, separate things, unlike Android ....

Sure, if you ignore the font similarities, the wallpaper, and the fact that there was a black bar at the top and bottom that they took off to match the pure look of Android. Splitting the toggles and controls into two gestures isn't going to save them from being labeled copycats, sorry. Android popularized the notification style of the pull down menu and if you want to argue with that, then I'm sorry but I cannot help you change your mind.

In the same way this:

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is different from this:

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Shows exactly how much you're familiar with Android that you used a picture of the music player as it was a year ago. Please use more research.

But I'm sure you know it very well and you are going to deny it nonetheless because I know people like you who feel the urge to "save" all of us, driving us to Android.

Very funny but no I deny it because so far you've
A) Not posted any real arguments
B) Tried to actually tell me that Apple's notification and control centre implementation is totally original because it comes from the bottom instead of the top
C) posted comparison pictures from Android's music player...as it was a year ago.

You're clearly blindly defending what has already been widely established as copycat redesign. And to back that already weak point up, you post outdated pictures and make invalid arguments. Nobody's convinced. And I'm personally not even convinced that you have Android phones or tried them sufficiently if you don't even know what the music app looks like.

Not intending to be rude but I'm kind of wasting my time trying to argue for a fact. I understand that this is after all MacRumors so naturally there's a high concentration of Apple fans, but I won't argue with somebody who's not willing to live and choose with an open mind. Your fishing for ways to try to make iOS 7 look original in any way isn't convincing and I'm backing out because this is a bit of a faff and very little more.

 

[Max(IT)]

Widely established by who ? You ? Give me a break ....
The only one company condemned for copycat is your beloved Samsung, not Apple ...
Now move on ... There are a lot of Android based forums where you can share your happiness with others and laugh at silly and false image like the one posted above ...

Apple copying the "pure look" of Android is the most hilarious thing ever read on a forum .... Ive should be desperate to copy from someone don't now a **** about aesthetics and design ... oops, Ive is a designer.

 

[Icaras]

Not intending to be rude but I'm kind of wasting my time trying to argue for a fact. I understand that this is after all MacRumors so naturally there's a high concentration of Apple fans, but I won't argue with somebody who's not willing to live and choose with an open mind. Your fishing for ways to try to make iOS 7 look original in any way isn't convincing and I'm backing out because this is a bit of a faff and very little more.

Not to be rude too, but if you've been aware that you are on a site with a "high concentration of Apple fans", then I think you've been wasting a lot of time in general.

Now move on ... There are a lot of Android based forums where you can share your happiness with others and laugh at silly and false image like the one posted above ...

They're like moths to a flame I tell you

 

[Renzatic]

Not to be rude too, but if you've been aware that you are on a site with a "high concentration of Apple fans", then I think you've been wasting a lot of time in general.

So what are you saying? You can't argue against an invalid notion if the vast majority of the people you're in contention with tend to agree with it?

 

[mKTank]

So what are you saying? You can't argue against an invalid notion if the vast majority of the people you're in contention with tend to agree with it?

Seems that way. People in large numbers will look right even if they are actually wrong.

 

[Icaras]

So what are you saying? You can't argue against an invalid notion if the vast majority of the people you're in contention with tend to agree with it?

Not at all. People are certainly free to express their opinions, but also, if someone out there is inclined and motivated enough to know the differences between Apple and Android devices, he or she is very much free to visit those respective Android (or Windows) sites to learn and discuss with those users.

However, when two sides of a platform squabble in one company-centric site such as MR, i think it's just a silly game of trying to convince people to change their opinions, and in the end, what are they going to do? Change like what? Maybe 1% of the people's opinions here? To me, thats just kind of a waste of time.