An Inside Look at Google's Reaction to the Original iPhone Introduction

[Renzatic]

However, when two sides of a platform squabble in one company-centric site such as MR, i think it's just a silly game of trying to convince people to change their opinions, and in the end, what are they going to do? Change like what? Maybe 1% of the people's opinions here? To me, thats just kind of a waste of time.

Eh. It's the internet, man. We've all been guilty of arguing over nearly pointless minutiae at some point in our lives. From Macs to PCs, to Xbox360 vs. the PS3. Everyone's got their opinions, and by god, everyone's gonna know about 'em.

It's also what makes the internet so fun. Well, that and cat videos and porn.

 

[Michael Goff]

Not at all. People are certainly free to express their opinions, but also, if someone out there is inclined and motivated enough to know the differences between Apple and Android devices, he or she is very much free to visit those respective Android (or Windows) sites to learn and discuss with those users.

However, when two sides of a platform squabble in one company-centric site such as MR, i think it's just a silly game of trying to convince people to change their opinions, and in the end, what are they going to do? Change like what? Maybe 1% of the people's opinions here? To me, thats just kind of a waste of time.

This entire post basically screams "You can have your opinion, just don't waste your time letting anyone here know it". I get it, MR is full of froth-at-the-mouth Apple fans. A majority of people here just want to hear about how Google is evil, Apple is awesome, and perpetuate the stereotype that Apple's fans are all blindly loyal to a company.

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Eh. It's the internet, man. We've all been guilty of arguing over nearly pointless minutiae at some point in our lives. From Macs to PCs, to Xbox360 vs. the PS3. Everyone's got their opinions, and by god, everyone's gonna know about 'em.

It's also what makes the internet so fun. Well, that and cat videos and porn.

As long as you don't mix the last two, we'll be fine.

 

[Renzatic]

As long as you don't mix the last two, we'll be fine.

I could've followed that up with a really good joke, but...

:glares at moderators:

 

[mKTank]

Alright that's enough yiffing about here.

Sorry for arguing, let's go back to bashing Google please!

 

[melendezest]

I don't come to this site to cheerlead (for or against Apple).

I come for information and discussion, given that I am an Apple user and have been for over a decade.

I personally find it useful when users discover and talk about alternative products that satisfy the usability and performance that Apple products provide. Especially when people have experience with Apple products and are able to speak from that perspective. It only makes sense that if I have an issue with what Apple is doing, I come discuss it in an Apple forum. Perhaps other Apple users are dissatisfied with the same issue I have and are able to provide a workaround/solution or (gasp!) an alternative.

So to those that are here sharing this info and/or alternative perspective, thank you. Don't let the cheerleaders stop you.

 

[PaulChowHK]

At that time iPhone truly the best thing that happen to hand set. I hop they doing that again. Everyone copy them. I think new iPhone is going be the next big thing

 

[LordVic]

Indeed, all of your points are correct.

Hm, I suppose it's not any specific technology that made the iPhone stand out, but how all of it was put together... highly responsive touch screen, high-quality display, intuitive well-designed smooth UI, decent battery life, highly portable, reasonable price (not on day one, but they got there), beautiful design, top-notch music store, wide array of apps (starting in the second year), and a few things I probably forgot.

How about this: it was the first all-in-one device that was actually better than the individual devices, even if you didn't count the hassle of carrying around multiple devices.

This, is all i was trying to say... maybe I just need some more coffee

but yes. I completely, 100% whole heartedly agree with this statement.

the iPhone was the first device that truly allowed you to get rid fo the PDA, MP3 player and Cell phone in your pocket, and just carry the Cellphone. there were other devices that tried. they failed. But they did exist.

Most of us don't hate apple products like you make us out to! really we dont! we just get irritated with ignorance from people who want to believe apple Literally invented it all themselves.

They didn't even invent the multi-touch system that everyone wants to credit to them. they purchased the company that did, rolled it into Apple and called it their own.

Heck, OSx technically wasn't originally started by Apple! Steve Jobs, yes. But not Apple. he started it when he was with NeXtsTep (or whatever) after he got the boot from Apple. it was only after he got brought back into Apple did they realize they needed a new OS

 

[LordVic]

This is a crazy statement and completely untrue.

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Apple does the same with pretty much everything any other company is making that Apple is not. S-Pen for the Note 1,2,3 very successful, 7in-8in tablets which is the hottest selling size for all OEMs, bigger screens for phones.

Point is, all companies dismiss other companies when they come out with something they don't have. That's how you do business.

and, you can't forget that Apple likes to go on the record to outright discredit what their competitors do.

Just watch their keynotes, Esepecially around the time of the iPhone launch with S. Jobs. There were outright slides on keynotes from allover the place of competitors products and him outright saying how bad they were and stupid

 

[bbeagle]

Most of us don't hate apple products like you make us out to! really we dont! we just get irritated with ignorance from people who want to believe apple Literally invented it all themselves.

Most people don't think this. You're fighting a war against a straw man you made up.

They didn't even invent the multi-touch system that everyone wants to credit to them. they purchased the company that did, rolled it into Apple and called it their own.

Apple was the first to put out a mass consumer device with a multi-touch system that actually worked. Therefore, I give them credit for inventing it.

99% of the time the person/company who actually thought up something is not the person/company who figures out how to make this new invention work, and figures out how to mass market it. Most of us get this, you don't seem to. (For example, Watch Shark Tank and see how a small inventor has no clue, and someone with experience and money figures out how to mass market their idea)

It all doesn't really matter though - if Samsung comes up with a BETTER multi-touch, then I'll consider Samsung as inventing that 'better' version, and use that.

Anyways, if you BUY the company which invented something, it's now YOURS.

Heck, OSx technically wasn't originally started by Apple! Steve Jobs, yes. But not Apple. he started it when he was with NeXtsTep (or whatever) after he got the boot from Apple. it was only after he got brought back into Apple did they realize they needed a new OS

Who the hell cares? OS X is Apple's now.

 

[Renzatic]

it was only after he got brought back into Apple did they realize they needed a new OS

Nope! Apple realizing they needed a new OS is what got Jobs back in the first place, and even then, Next was their second option.

 

[Masquerade]

Samedung or shamedung, they're evil... Even when they have to pay 1billion dollars for stealing and copying, that's 1/4th the cost of apple's original research.

I can remeber samsung back in 2004, i had a cheap nice 3g video mp3 phone with 50mb voice recognition and you could buy games online.

Iphone came in 2007, without 3g. The store and 3g model come in summer 2008.

 

[LordVic]

Most people don't think this. You're fighting a war against a straw man you made up.



Apple was the first to put out a mass consumer device with a multi-touch system that actually worked. Therefore, I give them credit for inventing it.

99% of the time the person/company who actually thought up something is not the person/company who figures out how to make this new invention work, and figures out how to mass market it. Most of us get this, you don't seem to. (For example, Watch Shark Tank and see how a small inventor has no clue, and someone with experience and money figures out how to mass market their idea)

It all doesn't really matter though - if Samsung comes up with a BETTER multi-touch, then I'll consider Samsung as inventing that 'better' version, and use that.

Anyways, if you BUY the company which invented something, it's now YOURS.



Who the hell cares? OS X is Apple's now.

your entire bloody post proved my entire point. Thank You

 

[bbeagle]

your entire bloody post proved my entire point. Thank You

Don't see how, it's the opposite of what you said. You have some sort of a complex.

 

[LordVic]

Don't see how, it's the opposite of what you said. You have some sort of a complex.

I said

Fanboys don't generally care where the technology was actually invented, or by whom. They just care that if Apple released it first, they accredit the invention to Apple.

You then said that I was making a straw man and fanboys don't think this way.


Then you said really clearly that you in fact don't care that others invented the technology. That apple released it, so it's an apple invention.

Its the exact point I made.

Apple did not invent multi Touch capacitive technology. They Purchased a company who did. it is not apples invention.

but you don't seem to care. You're going to accredit to apple anyway and stick your finger in your ears and ignore the fact that prior to Apple's involvement this technology was already well on it's way to market.

Thus proving my point precisely. Fanboys Don't care about the facts.

 

[ngocnguyen]

Apple knows how to package a product...

Everybody has access to the technology and industrial design....but nobody knows how to execute and integrate that technology into a package that is 100% user centric and experience...coupled with an industrial design-driven company = innovation at its best!

iPhone is definitely not the most technologically advanced or powerful smartphone...but for what it was designed and intended for, it's far superior than anything out there.

When my daughter was 2.5 yrs old, she could pick up my iPhone, unlock it, access an app, scroll through pictures...that's not just technology, that's clever, intuitive and user-centric design!

Apple designs for the avg Joe Schmo

Google designs for the technologically advanced super geek

What is there more of?

 

[mKTank]

Apple knows how to package a product...

Everybody has access to the technology and industrial design....but nobody knows how to execute and integrate that technology into a package that is 100% user centric and experience...coupled with an industrial design-driven company = innovation at its best!

iPhone is definitely not the most technologically advanced or powerful smartphone...but for what it was designed and intended for, it's far superior than anything out there.

When my daughter was 2.5 yrs old, she could pick up my iPhone, unlock it, access an app, scroll through pictures...that's not just technology, that's clever, intuitive and user-centric design!

Apple designs for the avg Joe Schmo

Google designs for the technologically advanced super geek

What is there more of?

According to sales figures, the latter apparently, by a long shot.

Skeuemorphism is what originally made iOS so familiar and easy to navigate. iOS7 threw all of that out the window so now everything is a thin font on a white background. Thanks Apple.


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I said

Fanboys don't generally care where the technology was actually invented, or by whom. They just care that if Apple released it first, they accredit the invention to Apple.

You then said that I was making a straw man and fanboys don't think this way.


Then you said really clearly that you in fact don't care that others invented the technology. That apple released it, so it's an apple invention.

Its the exact point I made.

Apple did not invent multi Touch capacitive technology. They Purchased a company who did. it is not apples invention.

but you don't seem to care. You're going to accredit to apple anyway and stick your finger in your ears and ignore the fact that prior to Apple's involvement this technology was already well on it's way to market.

Thus proving my point precisely. Fanboys Don't care about the facts.

Indeed. You have a strong valid point and the way in which it was just proven is hilarious. Props to you, sir.

 

[ngocnguyen]

According to sales figures, the latter apparently, by a long shot.

HTC, Samsung, LG, etc all use Android OS..those phones are used on a huge global scale. For instance, in Korea alone, Samsung & LG take up more than 95% of the mobile market while iPhone only 5%. There's a HUGE love for Korean national products there.

The shear number of phones that each manufacturer has (HTC, LG, Samsung) that use Android all dwarf the numbers compared to iPhone...Apple's ONLY phone.

So it's obvious Google is going to win in sales. That will change in time...51% Android vs 43% iOs and 6% other sales....ya gotta admit, it's still pretty impressive that Apple is going against all the other manufacturers and hold it's own!

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What I meant by "what is there more of?" I meant the avg Joe Schmo...those that could care less that their phone has HDMI hookups or clocks at "HSDPA, 42.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps"


in the end...people want a simple phone, camera and web browser.

 

[mKTank]

HTC, Samsung, LG, etc all use Android OS..those phones are used on a huge global scale. For instance, in Korea alone, Samsung & LG take up more than 95% of the mobile market while iPhone only 5%. There's a HUGE love for Korean national products there.

The shear number of phones that each manufacturer has (HTC, LG, Samsung) that use Android all dwarf the numbers compared to iPhone...Apple's ONLY phone.

So it's obvious Google is going to win in sales. That will change in time...51% Android vs 43% iOs and 6% other sales....ya gotta admit, it's still pretty impressive that Apple is going against all the other manufacturers and hold it's own!

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What I meant by "what is there more of?" I meant the avg Joe Schmo...those that could care less that their phone has HDMI hookups or clocks at "HSDPA, 42.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps"


in the end...people want a simple phone, camera and web browser.

Actually Android is currently 81% or so worldwide. And your point about the Koreans loving a Korean product makes no sense because Apple is American and it's losing in its own country.

Also one of the main points of Android is choice, both on a hardware and software level. As such, people tend to choose different phones, so the point about iPhone being the most popular phone model is moot because it's the only one that runs iOS (next to obviously inferior iPhone models like the 4S and 5C) whereas with Android there's no clear winner so people tend to scatter among the brands. People have been using this same point but it isn't valid because it completely ignores that Android is all about choice between many options.

 

[NT1440]

Actually Android is currently 81% or so worldwide. And your point about the Koreans loving a Korean product makes no sense because Apple is American and it's losing in its own country.

Man, I wish I would "lose" to the tune of over 50% of the smartphone industry profits

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

Apple designs for the avg Joe Schmo

Google designs for the technologically advanced super geek

I'm not sure how, generation-for-generation, Android phones are better for the technologically advanced. It appears to me that, at the moment, except for the camera, the iPhone 5S is the most technology advanced hardware. No doubt that will change, again. In software, Android multitasking is better, but, there are aspects of iOS that are better from both the privacy and security standpoint. Not good enough. But, better.

What is there more of?

Privacy and security are very important to me. Apparently not to Joe Schmoe. But, to me.

So it's obvious Google is going to win in sales. That will change in time...51% Android vs 43% iOs and 6% other sales....ya gotta admit, it's still pretty impressive that Apple is going against all the other manufacturers and hold it's own!

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What I meant by "what is there more of?" I meant the avg Joe Schmo...those that could care less that their phone has HDMI hookups or clocks at "HSDPA, 42.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps"


in the end...people want a simple phone, camera and web browser.

In hardware, Apple really needs to work on that camera. I don't expect a Nikon D800E, but, I would like a real point and shoot alternative, which I think Nokia has now shown is possible.

Hardware/software, there is one more thing people need in a simple phone, whether they want it or not -- privacy and security.

 

[ngocnguyen]

Also one of the main points of Android is choice, both on a hardware and software level. As such, people tend to choose different phones, so the point about iPhone being the most popular phone model is moot because it's the only one that runs iOS (next to obviously inferior iPhone models like the 4S and 5C) whereas with Android there's no clear winner so people tend to scatter among the brands. People have been using this same point but it isn't valid because it completely ignores that Android is all about choice between many options.

Choice can be good or bad...Steve Jobs said something like "people don't know what they want..it's Apple's job to tell them what they want"

Too many choices can be very intimidating...but to the geeks, the more the better.

 

[mKTank]

Choice can be good or bad...Steve Jobs said something like "people don't know what they want..it's Apple's job to tell them what they want"

Too many choices can be very intimidating...but to the geeks, the more the better.

Lol well then I guess Android is for the people that know what they want. I sure as hell want choice at the very least.

 

[dec.]

Actually Android is currently 81% or so worldwide.

The other day I read something about HTC not doing well at all. 81% Android market share sure doesn't seem to help them much there...

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Apple did not invent multi Touch capacitive technology. They Purchased a company who did. it is not apples invention.

but you don't seem to care. You're going to accredit to apple anyway and stick your finger in your ears and ignore the fact that prior to Apple's involvement this technology was already well on it's way to market.

To be fair, people accredit Android to Google as well, even though it was purchased.

 

[bbeagle]

I said

Fanboys don't generally care where the technology was actually invented, or by whom. They just care that if Apple released it first, they accredit the invention to Apple.

No - I didn't say that at all.

If ANY COMPANY released something FIRST, that actually WORKS, I credit them for INVENTING such technology.

The first working multi-touch display was APPLE. Therefore, APPLE invented this. Other companies INVENTED crappy non-working multi-touch displays, but APPLE invented the good WORKING multi-touch displays.

Edison didn't 'invent' electricity. He was the first (with Tesla) to allow people to use it without killing themselves. Someone coming up with a lamp that you plug in which kills you, does not get full credit.

If company Android, Inc. invents Android, then GOOGLE buys company Android, Inc., GOOGLE has therefore invented Android. Simple. Not fanboyism. Just the way the world works. (That's actually what happened - are you going to tell me Google didn't invent Android now?)

 

[NT1440]

No - I didn't say that at all.

If ANY COMPANY released something FIRST, that actually WORKS, I credit them for INVENTING such technology.

The first working multi-touch display was APPLE. Therefore, APPLE invented this.

If company XYZ invents something, then GOOGLE buys company XYZ, GOOGLE has therefore invented this thing. Simple. Not fanboyism. Just the way the world works.

Not gonna work. That poster will respond with something like a surface table, or a TED demo and completely ignore that those multitouch implementations rely on infrared cameras and other finger tracking methods that are not actually built into the screen assembly.

Apple and it's display partner were the first to invent a multitouch method that was suitable for production on scale not even fathomable before (ramping up yields to Apple level quantities is an engineering marvel in itself). I'd call that innovation any day of the week. But again, to posters that see a video of somebody touching a surface and don't give a damn about the technology behind it, it's "copying".