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Toast without Office...

Uhh, that would be Microsoft Office...without that, the Mac would be toast...even for home use.

Curious... I was thinking just the same about Windows PCs. All those businesses locked into MS's de facto current OS, XP.

Personally, I'm aiming for Total Office Independence. I don't have it at home, I don't have it at work and I struggle as hard as I can to keep it away. The day I can make a living without having to open anybody's ugly .ppts and .xlss I'll be very happy. For now, Open Office sucks but it's OK for what it costs ($0).
 
The open model is a great one, but it's not the one that history shows wins the big market share. That was Windows in the past, and it is hardly an open model. So while Google is doing some interesting open source things, we don't yet know if they will succeed the way Windows succeeded. That's two different types of models, not the same. And remember, Microsoft succeed through illegal anti-competitive measures that made it very hard to buy a PC without their products on it. Google does not have that advantage today. They have to compete on a level playing field, something Microsoft did not have to do in the past when they were able to buy their own field and dominate it.

I agree... by his logic, Linux should have kicked Windows' ass.

The problem with the Open Source community, IMHO, is that they are just a bunch of geeks, they know nothing about marketing, esthetics or for that matter user experience. Nobody wants to compile their own toolkits, or modify the software they own. Pipeline Stallman got it wroooong. Heck, I am a programmer and still feel uncomfortable with make files and the command line! (thank you MSVC++ very much).

Android lacks cohesion, it's gonna be a hell to support the multiple devices/screen resolutions/available RAM etc. I believe it's gonna be like today's non-smart cell phones... atomized, no standard, every one running in a different direction. Yes, there is Java to the rescue but the performance will be veeery varied and unreliable.
 
History is going to repeat itself here, only that this time the competition is not called Microsoft Windows, but Google Android and Google Chromium OS.

Yes, the expected flood of Android tablets/slates may surpass the iPad in market share some day. And so what? If the iPhone is any indication the iPad will still have the strongest ecosystem, and be the best selling tablet by far.
Which means Apple will continue to reinforce its dominant position as the market leader, to the tune of cheering shareholders.
 
I agree... by his logic, Linux should have kicked Windows' ass.

The problem with the Open Source community, IMHO, is that they are just a bunch of geeks, they know nothing about marketing, esthetics or for that matter user experience. Nobody wants to compile their own toolkits, or modify the software they own. Pipeline Stallman got it wroooong. Heck, I am a programmer and still feel uncomfortable with make files and the command line! (thank you MSVC++ very much).

Android lacks cohesion, it's gonna be a hell to support the multiple devices/screen resolutions/available RAM etc. I believe it's gonna be like today's non-smart cell phones... atomized, no standard, every one running in a different direction. Yes, there is Java to the rescue but the performance will be veeery varied and unreliable.

I think you're on the right track with this comment. I'm a semi-geek, and I enjoyed playing around with Linux a bit, but the problem is, at the end of the day, I want to use my computer to accomplish other sorts of creative activity (writing and music in my case). On a Mac, I just jump in and get it done. Even Garage Band is stunningly simple compared to, say, Ableton Live. I eventually got tired of spending all my free time tweaking permissions and resolving dependencies (I have a demanding job as a lawyer). Not that it wasn't interesting, and if I had all the time in the world I'd do it all.

Even Windows computers require a certain maintenance as far as anti-virus and firewalls. On Mac, the computer gets out of the way.

I expect much the same from the iPad. The downside is that there may be some imposed limitations, but for me and many other users, the upside of elegance and simplicity outweighs the downside.
 
It has gotten so real!
I live on south beach in Florida and an Apple store on a place called Lincoln Road. OMFG! This Saturday is going to be off the hoooooooooook!!!
 
I can see APPL stock at 350;):p:D:D:D
Lessee, bought in at $69.75 when it tanked as did Wall Street with a 1000 units, this morning it's $233.51
Lovin AAPL

AAPL hasn't been in the 60's since 2006. It never dropped below 80 in the late 2008/early 2009 period.

Yes, the expected flood of Android tablets/slates may surpass the iPad in market share some day. And so what? If the iPhone is any indication the iPad will still have the strongest ecosystem, and be the best selling tablet by far.
Which means Apple will continue to reinforce its dominant position as the market leader, to the tune of cheering shareholders.

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Is this the same how Mac has the strongest ecosystem of apps compared to Windows?
 
The hype is overwhelming. But I'm still seeing much more hype than substance... There is no way 6 million will be sold in a year. No way will 10 million be produced.

Also, my totally amateur opinion is that anyone with Apple stock (and any sort of inclination to sell soon) should do it just prior to the iPad launch date. I imagine that's the best time, to avoid any of the 'disappointment' of the launch substance or numbers.

With this much hype, it's impossible for it to live up to it all, after all.


Perhaps a visit to your ophthalmologist :eek:
 
THEY would better ship NEW macbook pros and mac pros!!!!
But I understand its difficult with that Core Is; All that other Wintel vendors don't offer that new hyper future stuff, too...Ah **** I forgot about dell, acer, asus, samsung and all thoses others....

Really pissed off.......but "not to worry"...pffff

Perhaps your needs would be better served or you would be less pissed off by purchasing a Dell or Acer or Asus...
 
Try writing a 100,000 words novel and crunching those huge product and financial Excel sheets on the iPad and its touch "keyboard". When you can honestly tell me that you've enjoyed this experience, I know that something must be wrong with you. :D

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And eventually, the open platform is always going to win. And that's something that Steve Jobs still doesn't get. In a few years from now, he'll do the same whining again how everybody in the industry stole "his" ideas. And as we all know, Apple had stolen most of its ah-so innovative ideas from others (e.g. GUI, Mouse, touch screens, now even the whole iPad concept), they were just great at catching all the hype.

That's what the 'Mac' is for. Try doing the things you suggest on a netbook and tell me you enjoy THAT experience too!

'Stealing' and 'Licensing' (GUI, Mouse) are different things. But I do believe your point stands.
 
Same with a lot of the audio guys, then we see things like this being cooked up and wow.. Actually a lot of people that I spoke to in February were a bit skeptical and now are wanting to get their hands on one asap, me included.

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OMG - That's just plain beautiful...I want that APP....I NEED THAT APP.
 
Welcome to the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field. Be sure to wear your tin foil hat at all times, anti-gravity boots are highly recommended, and don't forget the Koolaid.

Hey, if the RDF is giving me ideas for applications to make, it's even mightier than I thought. I better pick up the accessories you recommended ASAP, before it's to late.
 
Its nice to see the excitement building near launch after the rather limp reaction to its initial announcement. Perhaps people are seeing the apps and starting to get it. I predict a big ramp up after launch as more people see what it can do.

The only really limp reaction I saw was from the limp Dan Lyons (fake steve jobs). And even he came around with his latest newsweek piece.
 
Winni gasped...
Try writing a 100,000 words novel and crunching those huge product and financial Excel sheets on the iPad and its touch "keyboard".

Dude...you seem like a tech geek..so..what part of 'this is not a desktop or laptop' argument are you not understanding? This is a 'tween' device. Your statement shows you are not understanding the product or its placement. And FWIW...after having to type thousand word tech manuals...there is NO portable device this is enjoyable on (laptop or netbook) so your statement is just silly. Unless you meant YOU don't enjoy..in which case OTHERS might not mind..which makes your statement silly twice.

Winni also said...
The iPad is a pure viewing and consuming device. It was not designed for creation or (text) input.

Ok..uh.....wait..you mean the virtual keyboard. Ok..they have this snazzy new invention called a 'bluetooth' keyboard. You might want to look into that but with the 14.4k modem you're still using it might be a little hard...and, again, this IS a 'viewing and consuming device' with the ability to 'casually' work on documents. It's NOT being marketed as a replacement for your desktop. Why do you keep inferring that it is?

Showing his INCREDIBLE business mind Winni stated...
I also doubt that a device that is coupled to a restricted and censored AppStore is going to be more than an initial niche success.

Haha..WHAT? Jesus Christo...Ever heard of iPod? iPhone? XBOX 360? Playstation 3?...what part of Germany do you live in? The most SUCCESSFUL companies (not all but most) adhere to the controlled environemnt business model...uh..can you put a Nikon Lens on a Canon Camera? I know..put a Fiat air cleaner in a Benz? C'mon Winni...think before you make this stuff up.

This statement from Winni takes the cake though...
Google's Android platform might not be as shiny as the iPad's iPhone OS yet...
History is going to repeat itself here, only that this time the competition is not called Microsoft Windows, but Google Android and Google Chromium OS.....And eventually, the open platform is always going to win. And that's something that Steve Jobs still doesn't get.

Uh..what? Are you still in university? If so, for Germany's sake I hope you're not working on an MBA.
Google..Android? Ask anyone coming out of the local Deli what these are and you 'might' get 3 in 5 who know about Googles web search...and that's about it.
You say "history is going to repeat itself here"...you mean Windows vs. Mac? I can't exactly follow this reasoning as you have laid it out. You are alluding to a deal that MS struck with early PC makers (who laughed when MS wanted a cheaper L-O-N-G term deal instead of a more lucrative short term contract...they thought the whole PC thing was a flash in the pan). I'll give the Redmond boys their due....they saw the potential and by buying up early DOS libraries and just plain brilliance they made their software as pervasive as double layer toilet paper :) .
Mac vs. PC aside...the idea that ANY linux based desktop, notebook, or netbook will suddenly take over is a very very nice fairytale...and has as much crediblity. MOST non-geek consumers (you know the OTHER 90% of the population) purchase their items from Best Buy, Walmart, Aldi's (for the Europeans), and other big box stores. Of the ones who buy online, most buy only brand name products. That means a Linux box would have to be made and MARKETED heavily by HP, Lenova, or Sony. If YOU think that just because it's the best thing since sliced bread because of all the 'kEwL sTuFf" it will do...uh...hehe...actually I will refrain from making a comment about that. Let's just say...it won't work business wise. Which is the same reason the other smaller Tablet guys will never sell many (Notion Ink, Fusion Garage, etc)...ASUS has a wildcard shot at it...but it will be hard to balance the inherent fragility of a tablet with a high enough quality and still be affordable. If anything...the "history is going to repeat itself" applies more to the Apple iPhone revolution (which it was) than the PC / Mac allegory. Apple is entering a market with several limited application and limited production tablets out there but NONE have widespread acceptance or even exposure to most of the consumers out there. A lot like when Apple entered the smartphone market...except...there is not only pent up pressure for Apple's take on it but also pent up demand for ANYONE to produce a 'media content' tablet. Taking a step back, and yes, I am an Apple Fanboy, there is a HUGE market potential for ANYONE who can put something in the consumers hands. That encompasses the slate and the courier (though I do have some pro's and con's on those).

Winni, either you trolling or not thinking about your statements. Hate or Love Apple...IF the can pull this off it has the possibility of being huge for consumers. For tech geeks, go buy the Joo-Joo or whatever is released later on this year. Think about your statements in a disspasionate way and you'll realize how silly they sound...and just for the record, after BILLIONS of sales in a highly competitive market where he managed to sell premium products for 22-30% margins...STEVE GET'S IT...Dude, it's obviously YOU who doesn't get it...oh wait...I hear the bus coming better run or you'll be late for school :)
 
According to Huberty, investors who are bearish on the iPad say it lacks a "killer app."...

I find it hilarious how people parrot and rely on mere thoughtless faith in myopic terms. "Killer App" is something important for success, but it isn't necessary for sales. Is a Snuggie fitted with a killer app? Did the Ford Taurus have a killer app? Did the iPod have a killer app? No. These are all versions of other things, but they enthused the market due to reliability, price, overall function, etc.

So many can't see where this will sell, but it is obvious the portable computing market is either bloated with ill designed laptops or flooded with tiny and inconvenient devices like iPodTouches. There is clearly a gap and the iPad is going into that space. Where it all settles will be apparent in about 3 years--it could wind up bigger, or denser pixels, maybe heavier, most likely with more and more ability as time goes on.
 
Is this the same how Mac has the strongest ecosystem of apps compared to Windows?

It would seem you are not familiar with the word "ecosystem". What you are showing me on that graph has nothing to do with it, what so ever. This graph (from Google owned AdMob), shows how many mobile adds are being served up on Android and iPhone respectivally. It says nothing about how many iPhones vs Android phones are out there. Nor does it say anything about how many apps or developers or third party accessories there are for each platform. Otherwise known as an ecosystem.

You better learn to understand what the graphs mean, before you use them to illustrate your point. This one did nothing.
 
Try writing a 100,000 words novel and crunching those huge product and financial Excel sheets on the iPad and its touch "keyboard". When you can honestly tell me that you've enjoyed this experience, I know that something must be wrong with you.

I'm just going to assume you misread where I was writing/responding about the Mac there...not the iPad

The iPad is a pure viewing and consuming device. It was not designed for creation or (text) input.

I assume that you must be speaking about iPad 1.0 and it's OS, and not any future incarnations Apple may have in mind. Once a critical mass of the public has grown free of a hardware QWERTY keyboard for text input, they are going to be ready to adapt to other devices, such as a single-hand chording input unit the size of a tennis ball. "Oh the places you'll go..."

I also doubt that a device that is coupled to a restricted and censored AppStore is going to be more than an initial niche success.

Google's Android platform might not be as shiny as the iPad's iPhone OS yet, but it is Open Source and has a completely unrestricted market place. Furthermore, everyone can build his own hardware around it.

I'm going to have to assume you don't own an android phone or you'd have some appreciation for the iTunes store and Apple's controlled environment. Furthermore, it seems that Microsoft is looking to give its Sys 7 phones a similar experience as Apple.

When everyone builds their own hardware around an OS, then you have buyer's chaos trying to find apps that their implementation of android hardware will be able to use. Furthermore, the wide open creation of software means you have problems with programs hogging resources and crashing the device... as android is now experiencing.

The "unrestricted marketplace" was a fine idea in the '80s when most of the computer world was made up of techno junkies on the outside and a highly restricted MIS-managed corporate environment of users on the inside. The mass of today's buyers and users don't want to futz with their hardware and software, they want it to "just work."

That mix of a consolidated software platform and unlimited hardware variations is what made the PC so successful -- and at the same time the total vendor lock-in made the Mac the niche platform that it still is today.

I disagree. The PC became successful, and surpassed the Apple II in sales in the early '80s because the PC was initially sold by and controlled by the IBM Corp. There was a buyer's expectation of a level of safety within the corporate world about "buying IBM" and having that decision lead to integration of the PC with the rest of the company's computer equipment.

There were two things that led to IBM's loss of control of the market they created, but that's grist for another topic.

History is going to repeat itself here, only that this time the competition is not called Microsoft Windows, but Google Android and Google Chromium OS.

That "history is going to repeat itself here," is a gross assumption. I'm not as certain as you that the iPad/iPhone IU is an evolutionary device of the PC OS. I suspect it represents an "information-handling paradigm shift in the making," and the forces that will drive its adoption and evolution are yet to be fully apparent.

If, as you suggest, that a free-for-all on software development and marketing channels is such a great idea, then the jail-broken iPhone should surpass the Apple/iTunes model any day now.

And eventually, the open platform is always going to win. And that's something that Steve Jobs still doesn't get. In a few years from now, he'll do the same whining again how everybody in the industry stole "his" ideas. And as we all know, Apple had stolen most of its ah-so innovative ideas from others (e.g. GUI, Mouse, touch screens, now even the whole iPad concept), they were just great at catching all the hype.

This part of your post is just "noise" and need not be commented on.
 
Here's a well written article about the iPad in the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/29/technology/29apple.html?th&emc=th

While there's no good historical device to compare the iPad to, I am reminded in several ways of the pocket electronic calculator market of the 1970s. First there was the HP-35. It set the gold standard and sold for about the price of a top-end ipod Touch. However, due to inflation, it really cost about as much as the iPad does currently.

Next to enter the market was Texas Instrument with lesser capable products at around $100. About a year later, TI had come out with pocket calculations about as capable as the HP and other brands, such as Commodore started filling in the low end.

Today, HP and TI are still in the market, and no-name brands as well as the better brands all swing from display hooks in all the big box stores, while the lower end stuff is sold in Seven Eleven and truck stops for $2 each. It's the normal fate of things that become commodities and end up as part of the background noise.

The sub $800 notebook/netbook is headed for that low-margin fate and Apple has no desire to be a "me too" in that market. Therefore they have created a newer profitable market niche (iPad) that they may control for a decade or more.

Because most of us don't buy the better cars, or wear high end designer clothing, or sit in a classic designed expensive chair, we don't see that market as lucrative as it really is. I think Apple sees that market and is aiming at it...or at least wanting to be near that in product recognition and I suppose that fuels some of the Apple bashing I see here.

In my 30-some years of marketing, I've been involved in several products that have transitioned from innovative to commodity, and some that are still recognized as high-end. Few of the latter manufacturers have suffered extinction like the former.
 
Just checked my eMail and found that mine shipped via UPS (32GB WiFi). Doesn't show up yet in UPS's system; the notice was sent about 6 hours ago. UPS delivering on Saturday? They must have made a heck of a proposal to Apple as everything I've received from Apple prior to this was shipped via FedEx (and DHL but that was many moons ago).

I do have my first iPad accessory; it's a stylus that claims to be iPad (and iPhone/iTouch) compliant. I can play with that (as if I was an orchestra conductor) until the iPad arrives. *sigh* :D
 
Not any more. I used to need Office, but I got rid of it and haven't needed to use it for years now even though I daily use .doc and .xls files and I email them to others without any issues. With NeoOffice and OpenOffice and iWork available, there are very, very few people who need Office any more. For the vast majority, you can get a cheap or free alternative that works just fine.

And with $10 iWork apps coming for the iPad, this trend will continue.

You must not actually do much work because all of the alternatives you listed don't work with more complex office documents. I like iWork's interface, but to call it MS Office replacement is a bit far fetched.
 
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