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Can I reply back to Steve Jobs' email to me which said "Non Issue. Just try holding it differently" with "Umm - so now what you're saying is that it WAS an issue?"

He also said "stay tuned"... and yes the antenna is an annoying problem, but does not kill the phone. It still works fine. Actually, a bigger show stopper IMHO is the proximity sensor. That has caused more pain for me than the antenna issue.

So on day three of launching their #1 product, he was cautious on his response so not to kill sales. Any CEO would have done that until they knew more about the issue.

Now they appear to know more and looks like we'll find out tomorrow. I'm assuming they will step up to the plate and make things right. It's a Billion dollar mistake if they have to do a recall, but that's a drop in the bucket to what they would loose with a bad iPhone on the market in the long term.
 
Can I reply back to Steve Jobs' email to me which said "Non Issue. Just try holding it differently" with "Umm - so now what you're saying is that it WAS an issue?"
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Should we start collecting quotes from all the people in the forums of people saying "There won't be a recall people, keep dreaming."?

This will be a very interesting press conference tomorrow.

If they do a recall, I'm really interested to see what Apple's response will be for why they lied about the issue and told people to hold it differently when they knew this was an issue.

Let me guess: They were stunned to discover it.

No, we should start collecting quotes from people who say

"this does not happen on mine"

Then lets see if they exchange their iPhone4 for a fixed one?
 
Should we start collecting quotes from all the people in the forums of people saying "There won't be a recall people, keep dreaming."?

This will be a very interesting press conference tomorrow.

If they do a recall, I'm really interested to see what Apple's response will be for why they lied about the issue and told people to hold it differently when they knew this was an issue.

Let me guess: They were stunned to discover it.

They will find some way to spin it and then everybody will just accept it because all that matters is that Apple fixes the darn thing. It's just annoying that they did not come clean from the start and say "yes, some users will experience this issue, we are working on a fix and will provide replacements"

As far as this being Apple's "Vista" -- I don't buy it. Microsoft ignored the problems with Vista for two years and kept trying to market it before providing Windows-7.

If Apple handles this correctly it will be a 2-month turn-around from release date (geez -- the phone has not even been available for a month, and I am assuming 1 month to start rolling out replacements). My guess is that they will retain most of their customer base (even most of the newcomers to the iPhone).

Problem is they lost quite a bit of respect from those customers by treating them as if they did not know what they were talking about or telling them that they were holding their phone in the wrong way.

I still remember the Jony Ive quote from the iPad video from the 1:05 to 1:16 mark. He stressed the importance of two things "no right or wrong way to hold it" and "don't have to change myself to fit the product". Apple clearly understands these are important to customers because they use it in their marketing.

So #1 -- Apple needs to fix this because clearly enough users are having the problem (albeit not everybody).

And #2, Apple needs to promise to handle these kind of things better in the future.

There are times for the "downplay the issue" card and this clearly was not one of them.
 
Hope this is true and it fixes the antenna issue.

But what about the other customer complaints???
    • Brown spots on screen
    • Proximity sensor
    • easily scratched/chipped glass

Let's hope tomorrow will be enlightening.
 
There won't be a recall, keep dreaming. Just do the numbers.

Count up all the iPhone 4s in the wild, then take in to account that to order a new one now would take 3 weeks. Add a spoonful of maxed out production and tell me where all of these replacements will come from.

Maybe the delay is because they are stocking up for the swaps? So new units will be delayed until they take care of existing customers. Seems logical.
 
When will the proximity sensor be fixed .... Or is this just a defect on some phones?

Wondering the same thing. Haven't had the antenna issue at all (I've actually driven w/ the phone from Central Florida up to D.C., and tried periodically down 95 to replicate the antenna issue, and i haven't been able to). But, none of the discussed fixes (i.e., hard/soft resets, resetting settings, setting up as new phone, resetting software) have worked for me. I can't have a conversation on the phone without dialing in friends or muting halfway through my conversation because of my cheeks!

Is the consensus that those of us with this issue will have to wait until the software update?
 
Yes!!! I knew I had faith in Apple all along for a fixed. Now where do we begin with millions that is already been sold? Either way very good news.


yes, apple really came through with a fixed. It only took weeks of complaining and every major news channel picking up the story. How noble and responsible of them.
 
Analyst from my firm has said that

Apple has internally confirmed that there are no design flaws with the iPhone design pertaining to the signal drop. It is also heard (of course from reliable sources) that in tomorrow's conference, Apple is going to tell the same thing to the world. Some of our unreliable sources have mentioned that Apple is going to announce exchange policy for iPhone 4 for those people who are facing signal drop issue until their issue is resolved. If they are still not satisfied, Apple is going to pay for their 1 month of service with ATT and buy them Droid.x or whatever phone they want.

Apart from a few unreliable sources everything is from reliable sources. If our reliable sources turned out to be not so reliable, we will search for new reliable sources but we will keep reporting what our new old reliable sources that turned unreliable say.
 
Should we start collecting quotes from all the people in the forums of people saying "There won't be a recall people, keep dreaming."?

This will be a very interesting press conference tomorrow.

If they do a recall, I'm really interested to see what Apple's response will be for why they lied about the issue and told people to hold it differently when they knew this was an issue.

Let me guess: They were stunned to discover it.


Giving a free bumper would be a recall. But I still say they are not going to replace all the iphones they have sold. If this news is true, it will like a car, you will have to take in to the shop to have a modification done to your phone.
 
No, we should start collecting quotes from people who say

"this does not happen on mine"

Then lets see if they exchange their iPhone4 for a fixed one?


I don't think they will do a recall because they said it is a "software" issue. That made me think that it would be solved on the next iOS update.

A recall sounds too good to be true.
 
I dont think a recall would be necessary and would be mandated. I think one of the two might happen for already sold iphone4s with signal problems:

(1) an appointment with the technician at the apple store where they would add this "internal bumper" and give you the repaired piece back, or
(2) replace the piece with a new piece, like how they replace a faulty one.

#2 is less likely given the demand and the production delays, but i guess we will hear about it tomorrow, huh!

I would also add that they'll probably ship people a replacement and use that box to ship back your old phone. I know Apple's done that for computer products (I had a faulty GFX card), and they shipped me a new card and I sent them my broken card. So it allows you to keep the product until you get your replacement. I may have had discoloration, but at least I was able to use my computer while I waited if that makes sense.

Even with production being halted, I'm sure they'd allow this to happen it's just the user would have to understand it may take 6 weeks to get a replacement phone.

I personally think they'll have people go into a genius bar to swap out their phone or the genius opens the phone and adds the new part (if it's that easy). I know my husband had a screen issue with his 3GS and instead of giving him a new phone, they just gave him a new screen, so if this issue is fixable that way I'm sure we'll see geniuses opening all sorts of iPhone 4s :D
 
can anyone help me decide. I am suppose to go pick up a 32 gb tonight, should I just wait or should I actually go and get it tonight?
 
I hope this is true! This is the right way to fix the problem. I could care less for a free bumper.

Also I think Apple should apologize for their earlier remarks, "don't hold it like that", "buy a bumper", etc. That was just rude.
 
An internal insulator, when the problem is the conductive antenna OUTSIDE the phone? How could an internal insulator insulate the phone from the user?

How does that even make any sense? I wouldn't believe this guy at all.

Could be trying to drive the stock down before the press conference to make a quick buck.

Internal in engineering means it will simply be part of the phone. It doesn't mean it will be on the inside of your phone.

An external solution would be a case.
 
No, we should start collecting quotes from people who say

"this does not happen on mine"

Then lets see if they exchange their iPhone4 for a fixed one?

Honestly, I do not own this iPhone, but wanted to test out some friend's phones when I heard about this issue. Tried with two different people's phones in two locations and it was pretty tough to make any signal drop that was worse than my iPhone 3Gs. Oddly, even after dropping for a bit, the iPhone-4 tended to bounce back. Maybe my skin/body are not as conductive as other people, but the guys who owned the phones reported no dropped calls and no issues either.

But I am sure that just about everybody who owns one will make the exchange. They may fear that if they travel to an area with weaker signal the problem may arise.

I was to the point that I was going to pass completely on this iPhone, but if Apple makes it right, I may still try to pick one up before the end of the summer -- otherwise I'll just wait for iPhone-5. Still, my iPhone 3Gs is performing great with iOS4 and is more than adequate.
 
so.....umm...basically, MR is reporting on what some guy has said will happen......and all the other things the same guy has said will happen still haven't happened?

wow. :rolleyes:

Yeah, was thinking the same thing here. Not totally discounting it but still.
 
so.....umm...basically, MR is reporting on what some guy has said will happen......and all the other things the same guy has said will happen still haven't happened?

wow. :rolleyes:

That is why it is called MAC RUMORS. It is in the Title and Website name.
Don't be so shocked. Everything on this website is just an opinion.
 
My prediction: Free bumpers or Apple store credit for those that have already bought the phone, and they will announce they have engineered a fix for newly produced phones. This would jive with the reports of some people that their replacement phones do not have the signal issues. Free bumpers would be good PR and not cost them very much. They'll also reiterate that if anyone is unhappy with their phone they can return it for a refund.

As for the Vista thing, there are some parallels. Vista was not nearly as bad as the perception (helped in no small part by Apple's ads). I used Vista for several years quite happily, but it got into the public's mindset that Vista was just broken all over and a bad product, so MS took SP2 for Vista and called it Windows 7. The iPhone 4 is still the best smartphone on the market but this issue is overshadowing that fact, arguably unfairly (but who said life was fair?). I actually enjoy seeing Apple squirm just a bit, I like their products but they sure are arrogant.
 
If Apple issues a recall for affected devices, my question is how long will it take to swap my recalled one for a new one? and how can I guaranty that I receive a new unit and not a refurbished iphone, and what about credit from ATT for the days that I am without the device. Hmmmm...

I guess you will get:
1. A free bumper to use before you get a new one (it could take couple of weeks)
2. A new Iphone with antenna fix for free

Does this make life better? :)
 
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