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Shipped to LONDON, GB 14 Jul 2010
Estimated Delivery Date (Subject to change) 20 Jul 2010

(Subject to change) Current Delivery Status In Transit to Customer - Shipment Delayed 15 Jul 2010
 
There won't be a recall, keep dreaming. Just do the numbers.

Count up all the iPhone 4s in the wild, then take in to account that to order a new one now would take 3 weeks. Add a spoonful of maxed out production and tell me where all of these replacements will come from.

Assuming this is actually what happens, a voluntary recall is still a recall (or whatever term Apple uses to say that it's not really a recall), and as we all can probably surmise, not everyone will send theirs in to be repaired. This is all "if," of course...

I can create the issue on my phone but have not had much (if any) trouble with it so I might skip it or at least wait a while, thus potentially reducing that # by 1.
 
Can someone please tell me WHY we are always talking ONLY about the antenna issue?

How about the PROXIMITY SENSOR problem?

I hang up on people with my face all day. I dial numbers with my face all the time.

THIS IS JUST AS BIG A PROBLEM!
 
I think this is the same guy claiming a Verizon announcement at WWDC. This guy's track record is about as good as the Cubs winning the World Series.

The CUBS will win the world series in 2015 you just wait buddy and it will be against miami. I got $75,000 dollar bet on it.
 
(Excuse the British spelling)

Don't you dare excuse British spelling. The origin of the language is England and the English spelling of words is how the language was designed. Staying true to the language, any other spelling of the words is wrong. :D
 
Can someone please tell me WHY we are always talking ONLY about the antenna issue?

How about the PROXIMITY SENSOR problem?

I hang up on people with my face all day. I dial numbers with my face all the time.

THIS IS JUST AS BIG A PROBLEM!

Just because you having the issue doesn't others are. I have no proximity issue.
 
Can someone please tell me WHY we are always talking ONLY about the antenna issue?

How about the PROXIMITY SENSOR problem?

I hang up on people with my face all day. I dial numbers with my face all the time.

THIS IS JUST AS BIG A PROBLEM!

Probably cause most Apple stores are not swapping out "signal issues" phones but they will very easily swap out or fix the sensor issue if you go in.
 
Well looks like im returning mine and waiting a couple more weeks!

I would wait.

An internal "insulator" for an antenna is very suspicious, especially if you understand RF and wavelength properties of antennas. It seems that maybe they are insulating the antenna from the external metal frame, essentially making it an "internal antenna". Though this would get rid of the death grip attenuation problem, it might actually LOWER the OVERALL performance of the phone when it's not "death gripped".

Again, Apple is GREAT with exchanging defective product for a whole year.... don't be knee jerk, and wait until you hear positive things about this change from "in the wild" users and lab reports.

Just my $0.02.
 
Can someone please tell me WHY we are always talking ONLY about the antenna issue?

How about the PROXIMITY SENSOR problem?

I hang up on people with my face all day. I dial numbers with my face all the time.

THIS IS JUST AS BIG A PROBLEM!

You need a replacement phone. Most iphone4s do not have this problem. Have you tried hooking the phone up to itunes and doing a backup and restore of the device?

Some users with the proximity sensor problem have reported that this fixed their problem. If not, take the phone back, this is not a wide spread problem.
 
When will the proximity sensor be fixed .... Or is this just a defect on some phones?

THAT is the fix I'm waiting for. It's screwed with nearly every phone call I've made that wasn't hands free.

Add on a fix to the camera appearing to overexpose by 1/2 to 1 full stop and I'll be much more satisfied even if I *don't* have my antenna fixed or replaced.
 
Don't you dare excuse British spelling. The origin of the language is England and the English spelling of words is how the language was designed. Staying true to the language, any other spelling of the words is wrong. :D

I wasn't aware English was a "designed" language. I thought it evolved, and that standardized spelling didn't even occur until the 17th century.
 
Can I reply back to Steve Jobs' email to me which said "Non Issue. Just try holding it differently" with "Umm - so now what you're saying is that it WAS an issue?"

Agreed. Backpedaling on their initial "blame the user" stance makes them look like liars.
 
Internet Tips 101: Don't believe everything you read on the internet and use it as facts...

Are you referring to Jobs' emails - or this analyst report. Because if you're referring to Jobs' emails I have them in my inbox.

What's amazing is if this analyst (and I said IF) is correct - how does this story have 8 negative "votes"

Who are the people who would vote against a fix? LOL
 
Apple will do the right thing.

Ya know-I have been able to bring my older iPhones several times for more minor problems than this and they have never hesitated to swap out for a new one. For example-due to overuse the 3G the screen began to ever so slightly.I believe Apple will do the right thing.
 
I demand an apology tomorrow.

And then I expect a recall so I can replace my defective phone.

That's all I ask for. Let's move on.

Is that all? Shall we poll the others who have this problem and ask them what they demand? And then we can ask the ones who have the phone but don't experience this problem and ask them what they demand.

Demanding an apology is incredibly over the top ridiculous. The biggest reason for this is that forced apologies are one thing: not honest. :eek:

How about we demand a fix to the problem and leave it at that - capitalism is many things, but one thing it surely isn't consistently is honest.
 
I'm not sure what they could say that would 1) placate the torch wielding masses, and 2) protect the shareholders value - remember there is a class action lawsuit sitting out there.

Sadly, this is the world we live in - they could (would?) have suffered greater losses in share price if they'd said weeks ago, "yep there's a problem but we have no fix for it" and then a week later, "still no fix".

The media has had a field day with this news, and it's been whipped into a frenzy especially by the techie press where average people don't tread so we see it as a HUGE problem whereas most will not even have heard of it, or not cared one bit.

Sadly, it's been my experience that everyday, normal, non-techie people have been informed about this problem since the first weekend. It's been top news on "regular" news channels for weeks now.

That said, if Apple comes forward and simply says "We missed this before. We've now solved it. We will offer a fix free of charge and all new phones will be fixed moving forward" their forthrightness will do nothing but impress the average consumer.

If Apple tries to play any games whatsoever? People won't take it kindly.
 
Can someone please tell me WHY we are always talking ONLY about the antenna issue?

How about the PROXIMITY SENSOR problem?

I hang up on people with my face all day. I dial numbers with my face all the time.

THIS IS JUST AS BIG A PROBLEM!

Your description paints an interesting picture. :D
 
Agreed. Backpedaling on their initial "blame the user" stance makes them look like liars.

Well not only that - but they've been misrepresenting their signal strength for a few years based on a formula they devised to make it look like the phone was getting a better signal than it was. Coincidentally this "fix" came out a few years back when people were complaining about low signals. Funny huh?

I'm going to enjoy watching Steve's "dance" tomorrow
 
WTF? What's an "internal insulator"?

The antenna problem is very simple -- touching both antennas over the dielectric gap result in signal attenuation due to a detuning (change in effective inductance) of the antenna. I don't care what kind of "insulator" they put in phone, it won't make any difference. The only solution is to insulate the metal antenna from touch by hiding it internally or coating it with a non-conductive coating that prevents anything conductive (fingers, metal, whatever) from detuning the antenna. Very simple Magnetism 101 stuff.


BTW, an in-store fix is relatively simple -- just tear the phone down and replace the original antenna with the non-conductive coating version. 10 mins max, though your wait times will vary.

By your estimate:
10 minutes x 3 Million Phones = 30 Million Minutes
30 Million / 60 = 500,000 Hours
500,000/ 24 Hrs = 20,833.333 Days
20,833.333 days/ 365 = 57.077 Years

Times that buy the hourly wage of technicians?

Sounds reasonable. Not going to happen.:cool:


Not going to happen!
 
If he's right, voluntary recall seems what is getting announced tomorrow.

It would also mean that the 2nd batch of countries getting iPhone 4 would suffer from a delay in receiving their initial shipments.
If it means I can buy a phone where I can actually make a call witch, I don't mind waiting some more.
 
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