Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
LOL. The same junk people said about how the iPhone had the same 'core features' as every other phone at the time, minus the keyboard, camera, 3G, and stylus. I love how some people can't learn from history and spend their lives repeating it.

Not only that but that entire discourse is very uninteresting. Different people have different competing ideas of what constitutes innovation and what isn't. Once you've agreed on that term, you still have to consider timing. Is innovating every 5 years make you innovative? Or do you lose the title if you don't "innovate" every 6 months.

And on and on. If the OP doesn't believe Apple is innovative, power to him. Clearly that isn't a clear cut argument depending on your premises.
 
I upgraded from a 4s to a 5s. Actually, I think this will be my last iPhone as Tim Cook seems to have a problem with white males as customers and in general, so looking at alternatives next time for sure.
Seems to be more that you have an problem with Tim Cook.
 
I still think it's because many consumers won't need to upgrade their iPads every year. not because people don't want tablets or iPads.

This. There's *nothing* that the iPad Air 2 can do that makes me NEED to upgrade from the iPad Air. Apple is a victim of its own success here.
 
Apple must have restocked on their mind melting gamma Ray brainwashing equipment!
 
the way I see it..apple makes some great products, and lots of people buy them...but they really haven't had anything ground breaking in a while. I suppose the apple watch, but I don't think that will take off. Why should I buy a new ipad air 2 when my ipad 3 works fine? The upgrade from a mini 2 to mini 3 is embarrassing. Where's the innovation? Wow me!
 
A decline in iPad sales of 15% cannot reasonably be called "slight."

Maybe but it isn't unexpected. There has been a lot of early adopter interest in IPad as such you would expect some slowing or stabilization in sales as the market gets a better grasp on what IPad is.

Given that I exoect better sales figures than the analysts are predicting for iPad. The new model is rather impressive.
 
If Apple sell anywhere near 30 million Apple Watches in 2015 I for one will be extremely impressed.
 
Looks like more and more people are realizing most of the competing products on the market today are absolute garbage.
 
A record breaking sales quarter with two massively revamped flag ships like the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus? What a daring proposition by the analysts :rolleyes:
 
LOL. The same junk people said about how the iPhone had the same 'core features' as every other phone at the time, minus the keyboard, camera, 3G, and stylus. I love how some people can't learn from history and spend their lives repeating it.

Well I wasn't one who said that; I believe the iPhone WAS truly innovative. Even though it had the same core features, it was packaged quite differently from other phones at the time and was coupled with a first of its kind ecosystem (more so the second generation)

On the other hand (slight pun intended), the Apple Watch, when it comes out, will compete with a slew of existing products that are already packaged pretty similarly. The contrast between existing phones in 2007 and the iPhone was indeed legit. I just don't see the same thing manifesting here between the Apple Watch and the existing smartwatches. (of course, unless Apple has held back and will unleash some crazy new feature that we haven't seen).
 
An example of why we need to be able to down vote!

Nothing in this article supports the nonsense that you have posted.


I think this is a very clear cut example of Tim Cooks Apple researching and then following market demand and trends to maximize profits and increase market share.
So building something people want is not OK anymore. If you had any sense of history you would realize that much of what has come out of Apple is stuff that the people at Apple would have wanted themselves.
What it does not do though, is follow the pioneering spirit and vision which was Steve Jobs to make products that were innovative, cutting edge, inventive, and above all...ones that took a chance and were the stuff of imagination.
That is the myth of Steve Jobs. The reality is far different where you would often have engineers and designers working out of view of Steve to get the things they wanted done into a product.
I think that the average person can see the total different direction under two different CEO's.
The average person understands that no two people are the same. However to say the company is going in a titally different direction is asinine plain and simple.
It may not necessarily be a bad thing, especially for the profits of Apple, but I think that people who try and make the case that this company has any soul of what it once was, is lying to themselves and us.
Or the could be just as out of touch as you are. The fact is that as companies grow they change, no way around that really. However to say that they have lost their soul is unsupported by any contemporary facts. On the contrary I'm hearing good things about working at Apple again.
Apple is now officially a "me-too" bandwagon company that makes very refined products that its core audience and followers will of course, embrace. Nothing less, and certainly nothing more now.

So a me too company brings a 64 bit processor to a cell phone years before anybody else? A me too company makes a tablet nobody else has even matched recently? A me too company consistently puts cameras capable of very high quality into its cell phones? A me too company revolutionizes the design of a workstation PC?

Honestly your head is full of garbage. You really need to look at what Apple is doing and consider everything new thay have released year after year. This year the biggies might be Swift and A8X. However every year they have demonstrated that they are far from a "me too" company.
 
I'd rather see Macs sell well over iPads.

Yes glad you mentioned this, especially the pro products.

For my needs, my iphone 6-plus is irreplaceable, absolutely perfect for as a daily device, for every-day (all circumstances, all terrain) usage: reading emails, books, academic papers, even basic word/powerpoint editing. For serious work i have my imac, and if i require 'power' on the go, i have my MBP (x2). I recently sold my ipad 3 in prep to get the ipad air2, tbh i have held off and not regretted this whatsoever (i have had ipad 1/2/3 - gave up after this). Now the ipad mini3 would of been an option, however, was rather unimpressed (correct me if i am wrong) that apple decided not to use the A8X processor [+ M8 motion coprocessor] and 2GB ram.
 
Count me in as part of this (though since I bought my 6 two weeks ago, would that count?) :cool:

How much further can you reasonably expect a company like Apple to 'innovate' in the mobile space??
They can continue to do so for years if they want. However the blind might not see or want to see the innovation that is happening at Apple. For example the A8X, Swift, LLVM/CLang, the IOS cameras are all examples of innovation at Apple. The A8x is an example of extreme innovation in reality, there simply isn't comaparble hardware out there.
I could see room for it in PCs possibly, but no matter the segment, I think you'll eventually hit a plateau and level off.
If you hit a plateau you need new blood in your organization. Frankly hitting a plateau happens to a lot of American companies. The CNC mill industry is one example of where American manufactures, for whatever reason, couldn't see the market potential and plateaued the industry they created. Eventually the Japanese's and Germans took the market for their own and continued the innovation efforts.

Can Apple loose everything like the machine tool makers in the USA did? Most certainly it can happen but I've yet to see Apple plateau, rather I see them rapidly climbing the hill but far from the top. The fact remains, if Apple was not innovating they would have a lot more real competition.
We as consumers have been conditioned to expect otherwise though (which is naive to a point......)

There is absolutely nothing to stop Apple from improving IOS hardware for at least another decade. The question then becomes what new features or capabilities do consumers really need?
 
Frankly hitting a plateau happens to a lot of American companies. The CNC mill industry is one example of where American manufactures, for whatever reason, couldn't see the market potential and plateaued the industry they created. Eventually the Japanese's and Germans took the market for their own and continued the innovation efforts.

Very true, but then the Koreans and Chinese did the same to the Japanese and Germans, in the context of tech and heavy industry.

Can Apple loose everything like the machine tool makers in the USA did? Most certainly it can happen but I've yet to see Apple plateau, rather I see them rapidly climbing the hill but far from the top. The fact remains, if Apple was not innovating they would have a lot more real competition.
Depends on which front and device, i think they have moved from being a niche, aimed at certain commercial groups, to becoming a tech giant, with their devices becoming ubiquitous in the realm of smart phones and tablets. Can they keep on expanding as they have over the past decade, it is difficult to predict;although the rate of growth certainly has not plateaued, it is neither rapidly expanding at previous rates.

There is absolutely nothing to stop Apple from improving IOS hardware for at least another decade. The question then becomes what new features or capabilities do consumers really need?

spot-on, in addition, i think apple have realised they became complacent, relying heavily on brand name to drive volume sales. Their arrogance to refuse to increase the iphone screen size (evident by the fact iphone6/6plus sales being astronomical)
Ever since the ipad 1/2 and the early keyboard cases, i have dreamt of a hybrid surface pro like device - with detachable keyboard.
 
the way I see it..apple makes some great products, and lots of people buy them...but they really haven't had anything ground breaking in a while. I suppose the apple watch, but I don't think that will take off. Why should I buy a new ipad air 2 when my ipad 3 works fine? The upgrade from a mini 2 to mini 3 is embarrassing. Where's the innovation? Wow me!

Innovation:
  1. A8, A8X, A7
  2. Swift
  3. LLVM/CLang
  4. iOS cameras.
  5. iOS 8 ( a new version every year)
  6. built in SSD controllers in the A series.
  7. Gorilla Glass. wouldnt even be on the market if itbwasnt for Apple.
  8. Thin. dont laugh, Apple has refocused the industry on what makes these devices viable.
  9. TouchID
  10. ApplePay
  11. Siri
  12. OpenCL
  13. AppStore

This is just a thin list. If you dive into the IOS SDK you will see all sorts of innovation much of which ends up as part of your favorite applications.

Much of Apples innovation work with hardware we only know about in passing. For example there is plenty of specialized hardware in each "A" series processor to handle everything from Camera control to video decode to voice processing for cell phone calls. As far as innovation goes the A series is grossly under represented and at times completely dismissed yet it is a sea of innovation.
 
So basically Apple is doomed if they don't have a record quarter and doomed if they do (because they'll never be able top it). So under what scenario would Apple not be doomed?

Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply this. I know how annoying it is when people predict doom no matter what. That's why I said it doesn't matter if they top this years numbers. :)

----------

Innovation:
  1. A8, A8X, A7
  2. Swift
  3. LLVM/CLang
  4. iOS cameras.
  5. iOS 8 ( a new version every year)
  6. built in SSD controllers in the A series.
  7. Gorilla Glass. wouldnt even be on the market if itbwasnt for Apple.
  8. Thin. dont laugh, Apple has refocused the industry on what makes these devices viable.
  9. TouchID
  10. ApplePay
  11. Siri
  12. OpenCL
  13. AppStore

This is just a thin list. If you dive into the IOS SDK you will see all sorts of innovation much of which ends up as part of your favorite applications.

Much of Apples innovation work with hardware we only know about in passing. For example there is plenty of specialized hardware in each "A" series processor to handle everything from Camera control to video decode to voice processing for cell phone calls. As far as innovation goes the A series is grossly under represented and at times completely dismissed yet it is a sea of innovation.

That and thinness often requires innovation. Making a battery hold the same charge even though its smaller. Making a display from one part not several to make it thinner.

And then people react with 'same **** every year... Thinner and lighter...'
 
Well I wasn't one who said that; I believe the iPhone WAS truly innovative. Even though it had the same core features, it was packaged quite differently from other phones at the time and was coupled with a first of its kind ecosystem (more so the second generation)

On the other hand (slight pun intended), the Apple Watch, when it comes out, will compete with a slew of existing products that are already packaged pretty similarly. The contrast between existing phones in 2007 and the iPhone was indeed legit. I just don't see the same thing manifesting here between the Apple Watch and the existing smartwatches. (of course, unless Apple has held back and will unleash some crazy new feature that we haven't seen).
The people who see the world as you do were able to say the iPhone was just like the phones of the time by ignoring the massively superior screen and innovative input mechanism (no keyboard). Conveniently, you chose to ignore the substantial differences in input mechanism (digital crown) and massively superior screen- most wearables today have pixelated black&white or greyscale displays (or no display at all like the fitbit and activité) and the few that don't are flawed in other serious ways (ie. the Gear). Again, you're not learning from history but you repeat it well.
 
Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply this. I know how annoying it is when people predict doom no matter what. That's why I said it doesn't matter if they top this years numbers. :)

----------



That and thinness often requires innovation. Making a battery hold the same charge even though its smaller. Making a display from one part not several to make it thinner.

And then people react with 'same **** every year... Thinner and lighter...'

Linux had App Store before Apple
Siri was bought
TouchID was bought
Gorilla Glass was around before Apple
Thin isn't innovation
IOS 8 is innovation? LOL
The rest of it.... meh, not impressed as most aren't.
 
Linux had App Store before Apple
Siri was bought
TouchID was bought
Gorilla Glass was around before Apple
Thin isn't innovation
IOS 8 is innovation? LOL
The rest of it.... meh, not impressed as most aren't.

I think you've replied to the wrong person.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.