Wow, what would a user sent forward in time from a year ago have to say about this thread. "Intel? INTEL?!" *faints*
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hvfsl said:
Okay, that's probably not Apple, it's probably Dell with the XPS line, Alienware, etc. Those top of the line mobile video cards tend to be large, not something you stuff into a 1" power book.
I'll have to defend MR on thisjcontonio said:
MR doesn't seem to break stories from their own sources as often as they once did (they broke the 12" and 17" PowerBook scoop first I think) but they DO offer more than just pointing you to other rumor sites.1. They have been very good at judging HOW seriously to take those reports. If they ignore a rumor or call it unlikely, then it's probably not true. If they pass it on "as is" then take it for what it's worth. But when they state something as likely or expected--meaning THEY call it likely, not the other rumor site--that's a very strong sign. MR doesn't often state something with that confidence, but they seem to know when it's justified. I think they DO have their own sources, even if they've been used more for confirmation lately (just my impression).
2. The rest of the site functionality: active discussion forums, guides, etc.
3. Live event coverage.
4. Keeping on top of other rumor sites (and more than just the "top few") so you don't have to IS a nice thing as well.
Anyway, back on/T...
I think Apple has really been burning the midnight oil to get an Intel laptop out at MWSF - and it is made all the more plausible by the fact that, unlike with the stillborn G5 laptop, the Intel PowerBooks/iBooks are built on an already established platform.
I wonder if the new portables will have used an off-the shelf motherboard with some modifications or if they will have designed their own from scratch?
I wonder if the new portables will have used an off-the shelf motherboard with some modifications or if they will have designed their own from scratch?
Sooo much unknown though about performance hit for PPC apps through Rosetta makes my head spin and/or want to vomit in the short term. Then again, my G5 2.0 DP still suits me fine. Actually releasing the consumer products first is a really good strategy from the point of view consumer products is for, well, consumers! iLife and other Apple apps consumers like (including strangely potentially Microshaft Orface is being created in a dual binary as we speak but I didn't say anything) so from a just average home user P.O.V. this is a great thing.
However from a pro user who needs Adobe and Macromedia (while they're still thankfully not the same company) the whole Rosetta/non PPC hit would be too much without recoded pro apps so the big gun PowerMacs being aways off is a good thing, and even Powerbooks though there are clearly a lot of whiny Powerbook fanboys here (full of unfounded vitriol).
If they release something decent and well priced consider me an early adopter!
However from a pro user who needs Adobe and Macromedia (while they're still thankfully not the same company) the whole Rosetta/non PPC hit would be too much without recoded pro apps so the big gun PowerMacs being aways off is a good thing, and even Powerbooks though there are clearly a lot of whiny Powerbook fanboys here (full of unfounded vitriol).
If they release something decent and well priced consider me an early adopter!
Peace said:
I saw the same mention in the Macworld press release. My reference to The Beatles is not so much a rumor as me wondering out loud. But if Macworld is going to be all about music, it makes perfect sense.
I guess we'll know if we see an announcement postcard in all-white (or with four Steves walking across the street).
Photorun said:
Sorry to burst your bubble:
"SAN JOSE, Calif. - Dec. 5, 2005 - Adobe Systems Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced the completion of its acquisition of Macromedia, Inc. The transaction was finalized on Saturday, Dec. 3, 2005. . . ." http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200512/120505AdobeAcquiresMacromedia.html
Let's hope they get their combined strategy worked out quickly and get their suites native for OS X86 as soon as possible.
ewinemiller said:
The smallest notebook they can get something like that into is the 1.5" Dell XPS M170. Apple can do a lot of cool things, but they're still bound by the laws of physics. MR1600 or GFG7600 is the best video card you'll see coming out of Apple.
Apple can't argue with perfection. Thus they adopted the x86 architechure for all their computing needs. PPC just couldn't "git-r-done". It had to happen, and was one of the reasons that every version of OS X to date had an x86 version in parallel development (never released to the general public). Apple knew PPC would fall on it's face, and to their credit they were able to milk the PPC architecture for all that its worth.
I am very excited that Apple finally decided to take the plunge into x86. Their mobile computing lines are in desperate need of a serious upgrade to compete well in the mobile market. The x86 architecture has a chance for Apple to lower production costs (x86 is way cheaper for Intel to produce then PPC is for IBM), and help Apple take back a serious chunk of the mobile market share.
PPC just couldn't "git-r-done". It had to happen, and was one of the reasons that every version of OS X to date had an x86 version in parallel development (never released to the general public). Apple knew PPC would fall on it's face, and to their credit they were able to milk the PPC architecture for all that its worth. I am very excited that Apple finally decided to take the plunge into x86. Their mobile computing lines are in desperate need of a serious upgrade to compete well in the mobile market. The x86 architecture has a chance for Apple to lower production costs (x86 is way cheaper for Intel to produce then PPC is for IBM), and help Apple take back a serious chunk of the mobile market share.
Honestly that should suffice for mobile graphics for the time being. You never see state-of-the-art GPUs from Apple's Powerbooks, they're usually a generation behind or a knotch below top end. That said, they still always have excellent graphics capibilities.BenRoethig said:
otter-boy said:
Shouldn't be that hard to port to x86, they'll just re-compile the Windows version with the -osx flag. lol j/k.
jcontonio said:
Well, perhaps I should buy a ZenVision M- it does the same thing as a iPod Video, so there must be no difference....
Get over it, if you prefer TS, stay there....this is a much more entertaining forum for many, and it serves a major portion of the rumor market. I'll never understand why somebody would post a comment a forum they are denouncing....it's like a child who puts the broccoli in his mouth just to make a show of spitting it out....
Randall said:
I'm actually just angry that I used to visit this site everyday, but now when I visit it it's just re-posted articles of stuff I've read on other sites. Maybe I go to them first because alphabetically they're on my bookmark list first, who knows...but every time my RSS feed "dings" and I see AppleInsider updated, 10 minutes later macrumors updates.
I want original content and original sources. Reading the same thing 2 or 3 times sucks.
all the Apple rumor sites are gonna post the same rumors at realitively the same time. According to your experiences it seems that MacRumors.com is a little bit slower then some of the other sites. I don't see the reason for getting upset about this. A rumor is a rumor. You take it with a grain of salt. IF you don't want to read repeat news, then I suggest just bookmarking your favorite news source. No sense on flaming the sites you dislike IMO.jcontonio said:
I know...
I remember reading an article that broke down the costs of making a Freescale G4 mac notebook and an "Intel" based mac on speculation... and the Intels were quite a bit more expensive. The article went on to speculate that in order to keep notebooks competetive, Apple may have to CUT features.
Again, he was just talking estimates and no one knows exactly how cheap apple is getting their parts from intel, but you have to remember a lot of manufacterers use stock intel parts (mobos, etc) - apple could conceivably be using a lot of customs parts still, these parts will cost more than stock intel parts.
People seem to be forgetting that the parts apple is replacing are G4 parts, not IBM G5s. These parts are old and very cheap to produce...
minimax said:
I remember reading an article that broke down the costs of making a Freescale G4 mac notebook and an "Intel" based mac on speculation... and the Intels were quite a bit more expensive. The article went on to speculate that in order to keep notebooks competetive, Apple may have to CUT features.
Again, he was just talking estimates and no one knows exactly how cheap apple is getting their parts from intel, but you have to remember a lot of manufacterers use stock intel parts (mobos, etc) - apple could conceivably be using a lot of customs parts still, these parts will cost more than stock intel parts.
People seem to be forgetting that the parts apple is replacing are G4 parts, not IBM G5s. These parts are old and very cheap to produce...
Yes obviously the G4's are dirt cheap at this point in time, so in this respect the Intel Yonah's will be more expensive. I should look for numbers before I back up my claim. Even if the mobo is custom designed, it shouldn't be any more expensive then their previous PPC G4 custom designed mobo.DWKlink said:
Very nice! The more rumors, the better! I really think it's going to happen... January can't come soon enough!
The more rumors, the better! I really think it's going to happen... January can't come soon enough! Randall said:
Thats my point exactly. So if all apple does, hypothetically of course, is replace just the processor, the notebooks are ALREADY costing them more to make. Not even mentioning the possibility of faster GRFX card, faster RAM, bigger HD...
I think people need to temper their expectations a bit. I don't think its possible for Apple to release a CHEAPER notebook based around Yonah that also has the latest GRFX, memory and all the other goodies people are speculating without significantly raising the price of the machine.
DWKlink said:
Well we'll see. It's still all speculation at this point. I'm sure we'll be discussing it in a more serious fasion after MWSF 2006. Very exciting indeed. The possibility of having a Powerbook with a 667MHz front side bus as opposed to the 167MHz system bus it currently boasts is enough to get anyone excited. Plus dual core!! This has been a long time coming for Powerbook fans. Even if it doesn't come out in January, we'll have an Intel Powerbook sometime in 2006, which is very exciting!