DavidLeblond
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So why visit appleinsider and thinksecret if you can get all your rumors on one site? 😉
faintember
macrumors 65816
What? For some of us, a dual G5 tower isn't portable enough, and the PB as it is now is pathetic compared to the other apple products. We (that is, us whiny PB fanboys) need the speed upgrade more than any other of apple's lines. Seems like there is at least one person on here that can not use smilies to indicate sarcasm (i hope you fall into this category) or a person that is posting unfounded rubbish in order to incite vitriol.Photorun said:
Sorry to be a Debbie downer... my girlfriend is always yelling at me for doing that. I just think people may be expecting way too much... and even Jobs the great might not be able to deliver on what they're expecting.
And then the day after the announcement all these people will be hating apple because they didn't meet some unatainable expectation.
And then the day after the announcement all these people will be hating apple because they didn't meet some unatainable expectation.
AidenShaw
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One more reason for Apple to branch out "PowerBook Pro" line - something to compete with the high end Windows portable workstations.ewinemiller said:
It would be thicker, heavier, and the battery life would suffer - but they'd sell a ton of them to musicians for on-stage work, video production in the field, digital photographers, and other people who put a higher premium on power than absolute portability.
dongmin
macrumors 68000
I saw that article and I think its bollocks. I refuse to belive that a Pentium M 1.8 ghz costs $240 to the manufacturer when the machines retail for $850 at Dell. Dell's margins are high--maybe not Apple high but it's high. Apple being the darling, high-profile customer that it is, Intel will offer similar discounts, even if Dell moves double, triple the units.DWKlink said:
corywoolf said:
I agree, I keep hoping for some 'Real' info on MacWorld leaks, and all the rumor sites keep posting the same story with a with a very slight spin. Pretty soon everyone will be quoting themselves if the same story keeps getting repeated daily...Oh yeah, BTW All the "Analysts" get their info from MC, TS, and AI, so they are already quoting themselves, they just don't know it. I really hope what I said isn't true. Damn, I need a new PowerBook! Rumors Be True!
Randall said:
And where do you base this on? Maybe it was as simple as Apple was not ready. The only way this could be done in a way it wouldn't alienate the current mac owners was with a technology like Rosetta. And the hardware/software wasn't ready yet. As in programs would run much too slow for it to be acceptable. With current hardware, and Rosetta supporting even AltiVec, the time is ready. It just couldn't be done before. Has nothing to do with Apple milking the PPC. Apple is a for-profit company. Everything is done to guarantee a maximum profit. Nothing will be done that will risk that. I.e. just driven by economics. Sometimes, some people just forget that.
dernhelm
macrumors 68000
Randall said:
I do, but I secretly hope they will not. That's partly because I have a current PB and I hate to see it get outmoded too soon. But it is also partly because I think the Yonah chip could use a few months of shaking out before Apple ships these babies.
They may ship in Jan, but wish they held out until March...
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As Jobs himself spelled out - the product pipeline is to introduce the Intels into consumer products first and then ease into pro products.
As someone else mentioned, running pro apps on Rosseta isn't going to appeal to anyone. On the other hand, all of Apple's consumer apps are already ported to X86 and will run natively - so the machines will be ready to go for the average Joe.
Why speed up the release? To capitalize on iPod mayhem and glory. It won't last forever - Apple has incredible mind-share right now. They need to get slightly less expensive boxes out there to further the halo-effect while they can.
Although I doubt Apple will do this, if they really wanted to further the halo effect, they'd build in flawless integrated dual-boot and let people run Windows and OS X together. Think user-switching style flipping between systems. The cube spins, and you're on a Window's machine. That would be the ultimate Mac Switcher experience, and would suddenly make the Mac platform a lot more appealing for the average end-user. You can practically hear them, "Cheap, made by the iPod people, and compatible with all my Windows stuff? Sign me up!!!"
As someone else mentioned, running pro apps on Rosseta isn't going to appeal to anyone. On the other hand, all of Apple's consumer apps are already ported to X86 and will run natively - so the machines will be ready to go for the average Joe.
Why speed up the release? To capitalize on iPod mayhem and glory. It won't last forever - Apple has incredible mind-share right now. They need to get slightly less expensive boxes out there to further the halo-effect while they can.
Although I doubt Apple will do this, if they really wanted to further the halo effect, they'd build in flawless integrated dual-boot and let people run Windows and OS X together. Think user-switching style flipping between systems. The cube spins, and you're on a Window's machine. That would be the ultimate Mac Switcher experience, and would suddenly make the Mac platform a lot more appealing for the average end-user. You can practically hear them, "Cheap, made by the iPod people, and compatible with all my Windows stuff? Sign me up!!!"
BlizzardBomb
macrumors 68030
Hmmm... how oddly familiar. As if I haven't heard this story a gazillion times. Well I hope they completely refresh anything with a G4 in January but I suppose that's wishful thinking 😛
Randall
macrumors 6502a
Milking the PPC for all it's worth matches Apples M.O. wouldn't you agree? 😉 Anyway, maybe you're right about Apple not being ready before PPC fell on it's face. Either way, Apple had this idea to switch to x86 in the back of their minds for a while now. That is evident from what Jobs said about them developing an x86 version of OS X side by side the PPC version. At the very least they were keeping their options open, which is just smart. Rosetta is not as impressive as Apple would have you think. PearPC writes sort of a reverse Rosetta if you will, allowing x86 to emulate PPC.MarcelV said:
dernhelm said:
Either way, you won't be outdated. Apple has made clear the transition to intel will be smooth, and PPC will be supported for a long time to come. Apple has said that they will start the switch with consumer products and then eventually the professional line. IMO though, the Powerbook line, and to a lesser extent ibook, are in dire need of a serious hardware upgrade. It has been far too long, and G4 is an antique at this point.
As far as the Yonah chip needing a few months of shaking out before it's ready... This is not the case. Yonah has been tested since April of this year, and it's ready to unload a fistfull of dual core beatdowns to all the pathetic solo core laptops out there. While using up to 40% less battery then it's single core ancestors.
On another note, does anybody else find it ironic that the company that tells you to "switch" has in fact decided to switch back to x86 architecture? I know it's not the same because it's still a Mac, but does anybody else think that it's funny as hell? Especially after reading all of the Apple marketing bs years ago about PPC G4 kicking Intel's butt.
numediaman said:
numediaman........LOL!
I would never want to be an ANALIST, maybe an ANALYST but I'll stay away from anything resembling an anus.
That's an interesting question. We keep hearing that Intel wants to break from the past, that the existing BIOS still requires old chips (like for serial and parallel ports, floppy drives, the old keyboard connectors), and that their new EFI will allow for more efficient motherboards with faster sleep and startup features etc. MS says Vista will support EFI when it ships.Lord Blackadder said:
I'm hoping Apple has written (or customised) its own EFI so that we step straight into the x86 future (and so all the OpenFirmware strengths are ported) - so, can apple use "off the shelf" motherboards? I'm assuming XP can't run on them - so our motherboard could be the "new Intel standard" which nobody else uses at all till Vista. If that's true, Intel would probably be wanting to show how great the new standard is and would be working closely with Apple - but it won't be the same motherboard others use.
ZorPrime
macrumors regular
dornoforpyros said:
Did you mean Analyst *heh heh* 😉
Edit: oops, beat me to it. 😱
Things are starting to look up for MWSF... particularly after the lack luster summer and Paris. I do wonder how much hardware will actually be announced... I have a feeling it will be iPod/iTunes intensive. Especially since MTV and Microsoft have announced their broadening their venture into the online music download world...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_on_hi_te/mtv_microsoft_music;_ylt=AgXpnOci24que45Zcit1gwqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3cjE0b2MwBHNlYwM3Mzg-
beatle888
macrumors 68000
Randall said:
agreed. plus macrumors has all the rumors anyway...so why go anywhere else? this is actually the only rumors site i visit. no list of bookmarks, no re-reading rumors. by the way, how far into a rumor does one have to read before they realize they've already read it 😀. hardly seems like something to compain about. still, i could be wrong.
I'm worried about the reports of high cost on the Yonahs. Apple has been working hard to get the h264 decoding happening on the graphics chips (and perhaps even the encoding too!), so I'd be happy to see a low-end Yonah MacMini with a h264 enhanced graphics chip to do the hard video stuff.twoodcc said:
As for laptops - I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that a yonah dual-core 1.67Ghz will run PPC apps (via Rosetta) faster than a G4 single-core 1.67Ghz. (The reports on iTunes emulated speed and other general chip information seem to support that.) If true, Apple releasing Powerbooks first makes sense - from a chip cost perspective and a speed perspective. "Buy a yonah powerbook and see a slight increase in your speed, which will get even better with native apps". If the yonah's are slower (during Rosetta emulation - especially with altivec apps) then the iBook may make more sense (though the higher cost of Yonah chips will be a factor).
It's quite a challenge Apple has.
Randall
macrumors 6502a
GregA said:
I'm not sure what the point is of dual booting with windows, besides the ability to run countless pieces of software, most of which have an OS X answer to them, at least a lot of the common software titles do. You're gonna have to find a hacked version of windows drivers for your mac only hardware parts anyway. Not that it can't be done, because I'm sure it would be far easier then getting OS X x86 to run on your windows machine. There are hundreds of hardware drivers for windows, a few of witch will probably be compatible with some of the Mac x86 hardware right off the bat.