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No - the takeaway here is that Intel and AMD have been intentionally pushing out underperforming CPUs since forever. They're in this business for the long haul and are only going to dole out incremental improvements to keep a future pipeline open.

While the M1 may blow the doors off of currently available low power Intel chips now, you can bet your apple fritters that APL will do the exact same thing from here on out -- incremental upgrades.
 
No - the takeaway here is that Intel and AMD have been intentionally pushing out underperforming CPUs since forever. They're in this business for the long haul and are only going to dole out incremental improvements to keep a future pipeline open.

While the M1 may blow the doors off of currently available low power Intel chips now, you can bet your apple fritters that APL will do the exact same thing from here on out -- incremental upgrades.

Not seeing that on the A Series chips though.
 
Instead of throwing around synthetic benchmarks, it would have been more convincing if they’d shown side by side comparisons of typical usage scenarios vs a reference competitor such as a M1 Air vs. Dell xps13 with a 10th gen i5 or a M1 MBPro vs. Lenovo slim 7 with Ryzen 9 doing tasks like rendering a complex web page or changing filters on a pivot table

For example, the A13 on my iOS device is supposed to run rings around intel in benchmarks yet a $300 i3 laptop at home runs browser based apps faster than the iOS device.
Yeah, me too.
Show me an operation, I don't know, a video-rendering with some aded effects/transtition, maybe blur a 36 MPix photo etc.

Side by side on Intel and on Apple Silicon.
Than we can talk.
 
RISC has a more efficient pipeline, so less memory is needed for computing. But RAM is primarily used for data.

If you put a 20 GB file through a 16 GB system, it is going to swap and if not grind to a halt at least slow down considerably.

Doing serious Photoshop and Premiere work with MM M1 is going to be a silly joke.
Point 1. I do pretty serious Photoshop (affinity) work on my ipad. That has considerably less ram.
Point 2. THESE ARE BASE MODELS. It’s shocking to read all these comments where everyone seems to have missed this rather important concept.
 
Yeah, me too.
Show me an operation, I don't know, a video-rendering with some aded effects/transtition, maybe blur a 36 MPix photo etc.

Side by side on Intel and on Apple Silicon.
Than we can talk.
Someone will when they’re released- dont worry
 
my favourite is ram complainers....who have no idea how memmory works on ARM based chips.

16gb is plenty , for even users with 32gb intel machines.

a 6gb ipad pro can edit 20gb images no problem....i wonder what the 16gb m1 can do...

another is the battery , the batter life will be very accurate. not like the variable power envelope of intel which can scale from 4 hours under load to 10-12 surfing web. the m1 cpu is no longer what consumes the most power. battery life wont change much under load.
This article by Larry Jordan - https://larryjordan.com/blog/perfection-is-the-enemy-of-the-good/ - does a good job of bringing some perspective to what is actually needed in terms of DRAM and storage speed for editing, at least in FCP X, which should generally apply to most applications in the same realm. There is a law of diminishing returns adding DRAM and 32GB seems to be it according to the article and several others he’s written on the subject. I currently have 64GB in my 2019 iMac, but that being said, I can probably do just as well with 32GB or even 16GB. It’s psychological as much as anything, because so many people here in these forums think more is better, when more is just more.
 
Yeah, me too.
Show me an operation, I don't know, a video-rendering with some aded effects/transtition, maybe blur a 36 MPix photo etc.

Side by side on Intel and on Apple Silicon.
Than we can talk.
But that's what benchmarks do. They perform renderings/calculations/data processing on fixed data sets and measure the time needed.
 
Point 2. THESE ARE BASE MODELS. It’s shocking to read all these comments where everyone seems to have missed this rather important concept.
That the base model comes with 8GB is fine.
That you can get more for an additional cost is ok.
That there is a limit of 16GB is what is bugging people.
Especially on the "Pro" book.
 
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RISC has a more efficient pipeline, so less memory is needed for computing. But RAM is primarily used for data.

If you put a 20 GB file through a 16 GB system, it is going to swap and if not grind to a halt at least slow down considerably.

Doing serious Photoshop and Premiere work with MM M1 is going to be a silly joke.
Because of the M1 or because of Adobe’s **** code and 30 years of cruft that gets Band Aids and duct tape instead of proper updating and refactoring?
 
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The Intel vs. Apple graph reminds me of the updates from 386 to 486 to Pentium etc. Those were the days! I hope Apple can keep up these large generational improvements.
 
Well, the whole water cooled G5 "super computer" was kind of a disaster.
They have released a lot of failed products, but did this water cooled thing is before my time. I guess it was also the reason they shifted over to Intel, because the PowerPC chips had become power inefficient. Now we are switching to Apple Silicon because Intel became power inefficient!
 
You mean entry level machines? I can see that for the Air and Mini, but not for the MacBook Pro, which should be - according to Apple's own classification - a pro machine.

But it's really replacing the old base model MacBook Pro 13" that was also limited to 16 GB of RAM. That also only had 2 ports (that's another thing I keep hearing/seeing). If the higher end Pros are limited to 16 down from 32, that's more of an issue.
 
Just as an aside, I run FCPX and Logic X along with Affinity suite in my 2013 Fusion drive 16GB RAM and have the odd issue (especially rendering and playback in Motion) but nothing I can't live with. This is for professional design, editing and some mastering, albeit only as part of my work (e.g. I don't do this all day every day - would be very different computing needs if I did!) I'd imagine given even my use even the new Mac Mini (with 16GB RAM upgrade) would be fast enough. Everyone has different needs and perceptions mind you, so not a dig at anyone who feels they need more RAM / power. Just my experience!
 
You mean entry level machines? I can see that for the Air and Mini, but not for the MacBook Pro, which should be - according to Apple's own classification - a pro machine.
Apples labelling of such machines is a different conversation. This new model replace the entry version of the macbook pro 13“, the one that was limited to 16gb ram already, the one with two port. People are losing their s**t and they have no idea whats going on.
 
You mean entry level machines? I can see that for the Air and Mini, but not for the MacBook Pro, which should be - according to Apple's own classification - a pro machine.
Well, it _is_ replacing the low end MBP - like mine - with 2 Thunderbolt ports, which is a pro only in name...

...and still: The new one should be able to carry quite a workload, by the looks of it (and by "it" I mean yesterday's event presentation).
 
Heah Apple! I thought we weren't supposed to be concerned with specifications anymore. It's all about the "experience" so 'there's nothing to see here'. Bring on the pastels and stretchy watch bands!
Why are you so upset, nothing to see?
Obviously you don’t get it and will complain about anything and everything,
I feel bad for you
 
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