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Wait a second. If A13 in the pro was tested with more pixels to power

why would they post the iPhone 11 6.1 graphics performance. Less pixels to power. Would that make the iPhone 11 6.1 with the A13 the best performing graphics of all the 2019 iPhones?
 
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If only Apple would put as much effort into increasing their desktop graphic performance.
When did Apple start making their own custom desktop graphics cards?????!!!
THIS is the reason I come to MacRumors! Sometimes you end up learning something exciting and new.
Link me all the info on that project. I’m super interested. I’ll join you in sending notes to the them to please put more effort into it, as soon as you share a bit more of the details!
 
I'd like to see what one of these can do just with a cooling fan. We can work up to fancy liquid systems after. ARM on desktop is something I'm interested to see happen. Hopefully the Surface does well and starts forcing the needle.
 
I always love hearing about the advances Apple has made on their processors with each new release. I'm excited to see where the A chips will be a few years down the line when I upgrade next.
 
If only Apple would put as much effort into increasing their desktop graphic performance.

Apple doesn't make desktop processors or graphics cards. If they ever decide to, these mobile A chips are where the foundation would be laid for those desktop chips.
 
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I am probably not like most, but I personally use an iPhone because I use a Mac and work really well together. I love my Macs, and am more indifferent toward my iPhone.

If the Mac line turns to total garbage, I will most likely drop the iPhone for something else, and just leave the ecosystem.

Although, like I said, I am probably not like most Apple product users.
I just looked at your signature. I don't think you'll be leaving the Mac universe any time soon. ;)
 
It’s mind boggling that Apple has so little RAM in its flagships, but it’s processors are so far ahead and efficient that iPhones can still outperform the competition.

The iPhone 11 Pro Max has 6GB RAM. How is that "so little RAM in its flagships"?
 
Wait a second. If A13 in the pro was tested with more pixels to power

why would they post the iPhone 11 6.1 graphics performance. Less pixels to power. Would that make the iPhone 11 6.1 with the A13 the best performing graphics of all the 2019 iPhones?

I would like to know that too.
 
Which article are you reading? This one basically says

"... However, to fully achieve that improvement, the site claims Apple had to increase the peak power consumption of the CPU cores ..."

So yes there are diminishing returns here. Similarly from the Anandtech source article.

"... While we suspect that a lot of people will interpret it to mean that A13 is 20% faster while simultaneously using 30% less power, it’s actually either one or the other. In effect what this means is that at the performance point equivalent to the peak performance of the A12, the A13 would use 30% less power. Given the steepness of Apple’s power curves, I can easily imagine this to be accurate. ... "

The way that Apple gets to better system lifetime on battery is by not running in 'hot rod' mode as much as they can. The hot rod mode is an even bigger problem now, not a benefit. There is pretty good chance that probably factors into why they are using the bigger battery capacity to power the phone ( as oppose to recharge other devices. )
Not surprising considering no process shrink this time (still 7nm) and the A12 was already very efficient, it was already probably squeezing nearly every drop of performance per watt, so if they wanted more power out they needed more power in. With 5nm next year, it should be a different story. All things considered, improving on the A12 as much as they did with no node shrink is impressive - even given slightly higher peak power draw.
 
It’s mind boggling that Apple has so little RAM in its flagships, but it’s processors are so far ahead and efficient that iPhones can still outperform the competition.

Not really. Give developers lots of RAM and they get lazy, very lazy.

As a software engineer, Ive built a web applications framework. It does 100x what it did 15 years ago, and performs twice as good. A lean, mean design has always been a core goal.

There is a camp of developers out there that say to leave optimizations for last, but I disagree entirely. Keep optimal design as part of your work as you go along.
 
I just looked at your signature. I don't think you'll be leaving the Mac universe any time soon. ;)
Almost all Macs. I am in the ecosystem due to the Mac, the others are easily replaceable.

As long as Apple doesn't screw up the Mac, I will stay.
 
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iOS apps are mostly AOT-compiled code with no garbage collection (typically written in ObjC, Swift or C++ and targeting the native CPU); Android apps are mostly JIT-compiled code with a garbage collector (typically written in Java or Kotlin and targeting the Java VM). The two have different performance characteristics; generally speaking, native code is faster especially at first execution, whereas JIT code can in some cases be faster when well-optimized against the current situation, but is typically slower.

Android has been using ART with AOT compilation by default since version 5.0 now. It replaced the JIT compilation of Dalvik, the previous runtime.

Your other points remain valid, however.
 
In a shocking discovery it was found that a new, more modern platform is more powerful than its previous generation. Unbelievable, no-one expected that :p

Seriously though,I’d love to see what Apple could achieve with its A series architecture, without the thermal and power limits of a mobile device.

Imaging a desktop chip with more cores, a higher clock speed, more power draw and better thermal efficiency. Only a year or two and we’ll find out ;)
 
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It’s mind boggling that Apple has so little RAM in its flagships, but it’s processors are so far ahead and efficient that iPhones can still outperform the competition.

Adding more memory doesn’t speed up a computer unless it’s memory constrained. Memory isn’t speed, it’s capacity. Android phones, lagging in speed, are focusing on memory to try to look better on spec sheets.

It’s like a truck hauling stuff: if you have more stuff than your truck can fit, you have to take more than one trip. If you have less stuff than your truck can fit, you can take just one trip - and using a bigger truck still takes one trip.
 
50%/60% is a really impressive leap in just one years time. To Be honest, this probably has to be the one of the most surprising things about the A13 over the A12. The A12 really was more about 60 FPS for gaming and smart HDR, but I think the trade-off is definitely favoring the A13, especially with the face ID improvements.
 
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When did Apple start making their own custom desktop graphics cards?????!!!
THIS is the reason I come to MacRumors! Sometimes you end up learning something exciting and new.
Link me all the info on that project. I’m super interested. I’ll join you in sending notes to the them to please put more effort into it, as soon as you share a bit more of the details!

Where did I say Apple should make custom GPUs for their desktops? All I said is I wish they would show their desktop GPUs some love. They could do that by using more powerful GPUs and designing better cooling systems for their computers.
 
That's not the same assertion, though.

The A13 is good; the question is: are the CPU gains as big as they used to be? Will Apple's lead shrink over time?
I was wondering this, so I did a very rudimentary calculation to see if the percentage increases are going down (as they're starting from a higher base) but the numerical leaps are staying quite steady generation to generation. It appears that is the case. Again, the below is completely arbitrary, using Apple's claimed percentage increase for each generation, but it shows the broad point I'm trying to make:

If you say the A7 has 100 units of CPU performance to start,
the A8 has 25% more (125 units absolute, an increase of 25),
the A9 is 70% faster than the A8 (212.5 (A7) units, an increase of 87.5 over the A8)
the A10 is +40% to 297.5, up 85 on the A9,
the A11 is +25% to 371, up 74 on the A10,
the A12 is +15% to 427 up 55 on the A11,
the A13 is +20% to 513, up 85 on the A12.*

So the A13 is 85 of our theoretical units more powerful than the A12, about the same as the A10 over the A9 and the A9 over the A8, a little more than the increases from A10-11-12, even.

* In each case where the chip has more than two cores, the increase is just for the two performance cores the chip includes, so it's comparable even despite core count increases
 
Years ago I asked about relative performance between mobile & laptop processors. I was told there’s no commonality for comparison. What’s changed?
 
Not surprising, Apple has a massive lead in chip performance compared to the competition. I expect to see a Mac next year with a custom Apple chip. The reasoning today is much greater than it was when Apple transitioned from Power PC to Intel (power per watt).
I'm confident that Apple will release a laptop with a custom ARM processor. I just don't think it'll be branded a Mac or iPad.
 
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