Are you suggesting they 1) buy intel, 2) ditch intel?If only Apple would put as much effort into increasing their desktop graphic performance.
Are you suggesting they 1) buy intel, 2) ditch intel?If only Apple would put as much effort into increasing their desktop graphic performance.
Effectively, this article is about what Apple accomplishes when it produces its own silicon. What you're asking for is totally unrelated - which third-party silicon is selected for which model.Where did I say Apple should make custom GPUs for their desktops? All I said is I wish they would show their desktop GPUs some love. They could do that by using more powerful GPUs and designing better cooling systems for their computers.
lets see, the A12 is faster than the best Qualcomm, and that is last year's phone Soc. So now they have a 2 year advantage, used to be 1. did I miss something?That's not the same assertion, though.
The A13 is good; the question is: are the CPU gains as big as they used to be? Will Apple's lead shrink over time?
AnandTech today published its in-depth review of the iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro, including a detailed overview of the processor and graphics performance gains of Apple's latest A13 Bionic chip.
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Starting with CPU performance, AnandTech found the A13 chip is around 20 percent faster than the A12 chip in last year's iPhone models, consistent with Apple's advertised claims. However, to fully achieve that improvement, the site claims Apple had to increase the peak power consumption of the CPU cores:In terms of efficiency at the A13 chip's peak performance state, AnandTech believes the higher power draw will likely result in both the chip and the iPhone being more sensitive to temperatures and prone to throttling.
Apple says the A13 chip is up to 30 percent more power efficient than the A12 chip overall, encompassing all levels of performance.
In terms of overall performance, AnandTech emphasized Apple's lead in the mobile chip space, noting that the A13 posts almost double the performance of the next best non-Apple chip. The site also found the A13 "essentially matched" the "best that AMD and Intel have to offer" for desktop CPUs, at least based on SPECint2006, a suite of CPU-intensive cross-platform integer benchmarks.
AnandTech was even more impressed with GPU performance, noting that while peak performance has improved by roughly 20 percent as advertised, the iPhone 11 Pro had 50 to 60 percent higher sustained performance scores than the iPhone XS based on the high-end GFXBench graphics benchmark:AnandTech is widely known for its coverage of components like CPUs and GPUs, so its iPhone reviews are highly regarded. AnandTech founder Anand Shimpi joined Apple's chipmaking team in 2014 and recently spoke about the A13 chip in an interview alongside Apple's marketing chief Phil Schiller.
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...I expect to see a Mac next year with a custom Apple chip. The reasoning today is much greater than it was when Apple transitioned from Power PC to Intel (power per watt).
A lot of that old software was purchased years ago. Any new chip will run it tons faster than a P5.People won't buy a machine that runs their software slower than what they already have.
Microsoft, Google, and most Open Source providers already provide ARM builds for Surface, Chromebooks, and Raspberry Pi's. These would be either a trivial port, or run well under an ARM native VirtualBox VM.The only way Apple could bring out an Ax based laptop is if they managed to get major 3rd-party developers onboard before the release (e.g. Microsoft, Google, etc.) and provide an easy way for the open source industry to build for the new architecture (Apache, Java, etc.)
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And I'm not being snarky. It's just that they have quite the vested interest in that big red part.
I'm confident that Apple will release a laptop with a custom ARM processor. I just don't think it'll be branded a Mac or iPad.
They rely on Intel there, unfortunatelyIf only Apple would put as much effort into increasing their desktop graphic performance.
Not really - when Apple went from Power PC to Intel, they were able to run existing Power PC applications with the Rosetta binary translator - because the Intel chips, at that time, were far faster than Power PC. They wouldn't be able to do it this time. They A13 may be "desktop class", but it's not faster than a 4- or 6-core Intel CPU. People won't buy a machine that runs their software slower than what they already have. The only way Apple could bring out an Ax based laptop is if they managed to get major 3rd-party developers onboard before the release (e.g. Microsoft, Google, etc.) and provide an easy way for the open source industry to build for the new architecture (Apache, Java, etc.)
Less RAM is needed because the competition is using Java which needs GC (Garbage Collection) a rule of thumb is that you almost need twice the memory.It’s mind boggling that Apple has so little RAM in its flagships, but it’s processors are so far ahead and efficient that iPhones can still outperform the competition.
His AirPods should work. He just needs to set them up like other bluetooth devices, by pressing the button on the iPod box until it goes into pairing mode and then go to his bluetooth settings and pair.A friend of mine bought a new Galaxy 10 Note+. It was pretty cool at the start. But now, he can't stand the thing and ordered a new iPhone 11 Pro. It was the whole Apple ecosystem that he found difficult to reproduce. Plus, his AirPods will not work the the Galaxy. And he could not figure out how to sync his photos to his iPad.
You never know how cool the Apple products are until you try to replace them!
The Android Java code is now compiled ahead of time (AOT), when installed as Dalvik has been deprecated. But the garbage collection (GC) is still there requiring much more RAM.It's fairly easy to explain at a technical level.
iOS apps are mostly AOT-compiled code with no garbage collection (typically written in ObjC, Swift or C++ and targeting the native CPU); Android apps are mostly JIT-compiled code with a garbage collector (typically written in Java or Kotlin and targeting the Java VM). The two have different performance characteristics; generally speaking, native code is faster especially at first execution, whereas JIT code can in some cases be faster when well-optimized against the current situation, but is typically slower.
One isn't necessarily better than the other, but it makes sense that the latter would require more RAM: whereas the former is already compiled, runs natively against the physical CPU, and has had memory allocations and deallocations defined during compile time, the latter needs each process to run a VM, a JIT compiler, and a garbage collector.
Where did I say Apple should make custom GPUs for their desktops?
If heat is a problem then you have a "bad" app. Check power usage in settings and stop this app from tracking you in the background (or simply just delete Facebook and SpotifyHeat on my Xs is a problem. Can’t imagine it getting better. Although I guess for the camera the new chip is awesome. Can’t wait for this chip in an iPad.
You must be great at partiesWhich article are you reading? This one basically says
"... However, to fully achieve that improvement, the site claims Apple had to increase the peak power consumption of the CPU cores ..."
So yes there are diminishing returns here. Similarly from the Anandtech source article.
"... While we suspect that a lot of people will interpret it to mean that A13 is 20% faster while simultaneously using 30% less power, it’s actually either one or the other. In effect what this means is that at the performance point equivalent to the peak performance of the A12, the A13 would use 30% less power. Given the steepness of Apple’s power curves, I can easily imagine this to be accurate. ... "
The way that Apple gets to better system lifetime on battery is by not running in 'hot rod' mode as much as they can. The hot rod mode is an even bigger problem now, not a benefit. There is pretty good chance that probably factors into why they are using the bigger battery capacity to power the phone ( as oppose to recharge other devices. )
Relax, were not all computer scientistsWhen did Apple start making their own custom desktop graphics cards?????!!!
THIS is the reason I come to MacRumors! Sometimes you end up learning something exciting and new.
Link me all the info on that project. I’m super interested. I’ll join you in sending notes to the them to please put more effort into it, as soon as you share a bit more of the details!
They are building for the future too. Not everything is about today. You have to take the steps to get to the goal and this is one of many.Too bad there is virtually nothing of consequence to take advantage of that capability.
Technically the Red portion should be larger, not sure why iOS is not represented in Red that use Ax chips. With iPhone, iPad, AW, AP/Beats and the hybrid Mac with T2 the Red investment is larger than what is being reported.Could be whyView attachment 869943
And I'm not being snarky. It's just that they have quite the vested interest in that big red part.
I'd like to see what one of these can do just with a cooling fan. We can work up to fancy liquid systems after. ARM on desktop is something I'm interested to see happen. Hopefully the Surface does well and starts forcing the needle.
They are building for the future too. Not everything is about today. You have to take the steps to get to the goal and this is one of many.
This also makes iPhones usable for long periods of time, hence how well they hold their value.
I think they are building CPU/GPU ability for the next frontier.Ax chips have never been the limiting factor with iOS, it is amazing What the silicone team at Apple has been able to deliver with the Ax chips.
RAM has been the telltale sign for iOS, considering that iPhone X,XR, Mini 5,iPad Air etc has 3GB RAM across the consumer device range indicates iOS will be supported for that amount for a long time. Considering how far iOS has been developed with 2GB in-mind those with 4GB iOS devices can take it easy. The likely scenario is the battery will probably not hold a decent charge before that iOS device needs to be replaced.
Wait a second. If A13 in the pro was tested with more pixels to power
why would they post the iPhone 11 6.1 graphics performance. Less pixels to power. Would that make the iPhone 11 6.1 with the A13 the best performing graphics of all the 2019 iPhones?
I think they are building CPU/GPU ability for the next frontier.