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And people say Flash is dying...
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I don't dislike Apple for not supporting flash. I dislike the people who see flash as the only way to code the content for their website. That is what you should take a minute to think about, regarding your example.
Giving us a "site to try out" to prove some point that flash needs support in iProducts would be anecdotal evidence at best. Especially, when said site is another PR stunt for whatever acronym of a game that's coming next.
I remember some coding shop doing a site show case of what flash could do in its infancy (this was on a windows machine, possibly an, at the time, aging Wintel 486DX2, but probably whatever I had after that one). It was amusing the first time, tiring the next. There was no third time. I have disliked flash since its arrival, but I can only speak for myself.
I realize flash can be an ok platform for sites such as http://www.kongregate.com/, where development needs to come cheap, but that's about it. (we've had pretty nifty non-flash web apps/games so maybe even that argument is off the mark)
Flash: destroying web standards since 1996.
Have you written to your local paper and told them that there are readers that can't view their site on the device of their choice? Then after doing that, quit going to their website. As long as you switch to the laptop/ desktop, their visitor numbers will stay up. I know it might hurt a little. Or you could just get a Xoom and oops, never mind.
Most non-video flash I see on the web in my browsing is just for advertising, and the example the OP posted is just that, an advertisement. And all it is is a countdown with a sound effect, that's the big reason flash should be on the ipad?
Yes it can play both of those. Not sure what your getting at? Why are those SWF files different from flash? I am asking honestly, not trying to argue.
And thanks for making me try them, now amazing horse is stuck in my head and probably won't leave for a week.
Nobody questions that Apple can implement Flash, but Apple has legitimate reasons for not doing so. You have no idea how the devices will operate under real-world conditions based on "demos." Adding Flash to the mix leaes you at the whims of the various implementations on the web. Some sites are innocuous, others less so. IF Flash on the Xoom gives you an excellent experience then there's an option for you. But obviously they're still in wishful-thinking mode because it shipped without Flash support. Maybe they can make it work and not compromise battery life. That's great.
Yeah, demos can do great, as are usually optimized to perform during a demonstration. Go try a real website that uses Flash. If it makes a desktop (either PC or Mac) crawl, imagine a portable device.
Anyways, to have to reply on Flash just for a countdown doesn't prove that Flash is not dying. A lot of developers still use Flash either because they already had it or because their clients want it. Compare to ColdFusion, it's almost non-existent.
The main two reasons why Flash is dying is High CPU Utilization and abuse, meaning overuse, excessive use on a single webpage, specially for annoying Ads.
The same countdown could have been created with HTML5/CSS3 and it would have been just as impressive.
To prove how much I care for Flash on the desktop, I use a filter that would avoid loading Flash Ads on Safari. It works great and keeps my system performing very well.
I'm not saying Flash is good, it isn't and I agree. It is not based on web standards and requires plug-ins. It should die, however, Apple does not command the world's browser shares and don't have enough devices not supporting Flash to kill it.
As long as every one else supports its not going anywhere. To draw a parallel, everyone was using .mp3 and despite Microsoft, Sony and even Apple trying to kill it at different points...didn't happen. Just to remind you, .mp3 wasn't very good. It was encumbered with patent issues and was technically inferior to several formats like AAC (Apple), WMA (Microsoft) and ATRAC3 (Sony) and even 'open' formats like Vorbis and FLAC.
As far as I can tell we just move this Flash discussion from one thread to another as one thread dies and another is born to give the same users the opportunity to make the same arguments and counter arguments all over again like nobody has ever thought of them before
Flash and Blu-ray are the MR equivalents to Groundhog Day
Flash and Blu-ray are the MR equivalents to Groundhog Day
I wasn't exactly referring to its wide spread use but rather how it distorts interface "standards". The wide spread and often irresponsible use is what I was getting at. OP's example is one of them.
Isn't that the heart of the problem, though? "Everyone" is you, me and the rest.
As long as we agree to use it, there's no reason for the devs to change to another platform, regardless of whether that platform is, hypothetically, more open and effective or not.
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Ouch, you're right. Some of us pick up a bit late in the grind. Apologies. My wine glass looks half-empty. Scratch that. Empty. *hops off for a refill*
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Except that they don't. The Playbook and Touchpad aren't released yet and the Xoom doesn't have Flash yet.
Almost four years after the first iOS device, and there's still no widely available Flash optimized for mobile devices.
Although, I wish Apple would allow Flash just to shut up the whining about it.
Things change though...the ARM11 chips from the original iPhone can't compare to the ARM Cortex-A9 Quad core chips.
Come back when you can show Flash running on your own tablet or other mobile device. If it's ready for prime time (with four years of bitching about it, after Apple said it wasn't allowing Flash on iOS) why isn't it available now?
Amen!
Anyone who thinks iPad´s web experience is great has a couple or more screws loose in their heads, most likely because of Steve´s Kool-Aid.
I stream hockey games on my phone all the time and flash works great. The only reason Apple forbids flash is to force people to use their app store to pay $.99 for the same flash game that can be played for free on the internet. But as they say a sucker is born every day.
True.
As someone who has been using iOS since day one, I can tell you this, with no caveats... I don't miss flash, in the least. If any company wants to continue to base their web experience of horribly slow technology, then I don't need to visit their site.
TEG