And people say Flash is dying...

[Stirolak123]

Rather than some stupid call of duty countdown (i hate activision) thisnis the real reason ppl shouod be upset:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/sites/thread?tid=323bd3b330f70026&hl=en

"As a teacher, one of the biggest selling points of the ipad was being able to use the device in the classroom easily. I was hoping that students would be able to edit their own sites using the ipad. Now we can't. Very disappointing."

So apple now is at war with both google and adobe?

 

[Simbazz]

I find it unbelievable that people find road blocks involving flash. With travelling a lot, I tend to use my iPhone a lot to surf the web and I've never encountered a problem.

In no way am I trying to say people don't find problems, I mean, this thread is so many pages long its obvious. Its just coming from someone that never has encountered such a problem, its amazing.

Its like anything in life though, the iPad doesn't cater for those who use Flash (or encounter) but its obvious that other tablets do, so they'd be the choice for those who can't use the iPad to its full.

 

[Piggie]

I thought that other post with that picture may have been an odd issue until I tried it myself. I'm not railing against Flash or anything, just thought it was interesting.

This always makes me laugh.

CPU loading at 133%

OS X seems like an American football coach, where just giving 100% effort if not enough, you must give 150% effort at least.

Rarr Rarr Rarr....

 

[Jakeblu]

Rather than some stupid call of duty countdown (i hate activision) thisnis the real reason ppl shouod be upset:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/sites/thread?tid=323bd3b330f70026&hl=en

"As a teacher, one of the biggest selling points of the ipad was being able to use the device in the classroom easily. I was hoping that students would be able to edit their own sites using the ipad. Now we can't. Very disappointing."

So apple now is at war with both google and adobe?

You did read those posts, yeah? Therefore you did see that the problem is with ALL mobile devices, yeah? If you did read those posts then why would you post a stupid remark such as
'So apple now is at war with both google and adobe?'

 

[Reed Rothchild]

You did read those posts, yeah? Therefore you did see that the problem is with ALL mobile devices, yeah? If you did read those posts then why would you post a stupid remark such as
'So apple now is at war with both google and adobe?'

Erm, no. The problem is with the Safari browser in iPad and iPhone not being able to edit documents. I've an android phone and tablet that both allow editing of documents via the browser. Quite a useful feature, particularly when you see what you're typing automatically appear on other devices/computers instantly. Apple should enhance the browser capabilities in their iOS devices, but I suspect they don't want to allow such functionality as it benefits in some way Google. Maybe when Apple launch their own online docs it'll suddenly and magically work .

 

[nomik2]

Thats funny, my core2duo can't without putting a significant drain on the battery...or any modern processors really. Flash sucks battery life out the window.

ARM architecture is completely different from x86. ARM can't scale as well in terms of raw power however it is multiple times more power efficient than x86.

Stop comparing core2 processors to arm socs, not to mention core2duo is itself almost 5 years old.

 

[nomik2]

Me personally?

I have no use for it. I've had an iphone since the original and have only been blocked from one site, and that was recently. Lack of flash seemingly just does not affect anything I do.

I understand the reasons for keeping it out, however hardware+flash improvements(if realized) should make those reasons much less relevant moving forward.

I would agree that at this point, it may be hard to justify refusing to offer the choice.

But the iPad is a whole different beast to the iPhone.

 

[nomik2]

As far as why Apple doesn't offer the option of Flash instead of not allowing it at all, the answer is simple. If you provide the option, developers will use it as a crutch that will slow the development of HTML5 and related technologies as alternatives to Flash.

Ya but iOS doesn't command the world's browser share. Big companies can afford to code in HTML5 but a smaller developer will go with the cheaper and easier to use Flash and ignore the some odd 2-5% of web traffic iOS enjoys.

 

[darngooddesign]

But the iPad is a whole different beast to the iPhone.

Well it is bigger and doesn't make phone calls.

 

[BaldiMac]

Ya but iOS doesn't command the world's browser share. Big companies can afford to code in HTML5 but a smaller developer will go with the cheaper and easier to use Flash and ignore the some odd 2-5% of web traffic iOS enjoys.

Not sure what your point is here. We've already seen a huge number of websites making changes to support iOS devices. Particularly the types of sites that you are likely to access on mobile devices.

I don't know what you think makes HTML5 something only big companies can afford. Since it is a free and open standard. It really depends on what you want to create as to whether developing in Flash or HTML5 would be more cost effective.

 

[DeathChill]

Well it is bigger and doesn't make phone calls.

Whoa whoa buddy, are you trying to say the iPhone can make phone calls?

 

[darngooddesign]

Whoa whoa buddy, are you trying to say the iPhone can make phone calls?

I guess that's why its a whole different beast.

 

[azentropy]

Whoa whoa buddy, are you trying to say the iPhone can make phone calls?

It can now that it is available on Verizon!

 

[scottgroovez]

If Apple is so worried about performance of Flash on an iOS device, maybe they should remove canvas from their safari browser. It's so poor it's actually useless. At least not having flash forces me to view it in a capable machine. Viewing a 1-2fps canvas app just makes me think the site devs are inept.

 

[Mr Bigs]

Um, I can't because the Playbook and Touchpad do not exsist, Xoom does NOT do Flash.

The iPad 2 doesn't exist either

 

[iPadLad]

I think of all the time I've had, and used, the iPad I've only ran into sites that use flash and I couldn't see them. Don't really care much for flash, but then again I never had a reason to care for flash

 

[Jakeblu]

Erm, no. The problem is with the Safari browser in iPad and iPhone not being able to edit documents. I've an android phone and tablet that both allow editing of documents via the browser.

I have no personal experience of android and my comments were based on a number of postings in the linked forum claiming the same problems with android. I am happy to be corrected by an android user

Maybe when Apple launch their own online docs it'll suddenly and magically work .

Except I already edit my google docs on my iPad although I admit to using a third party browser

 

[rdowns]

CHART OF THE DAY: Apple Won The War Against Flash

Web video portal MeFeedia gathered data on 30 million videos from 30,000 sites and discovered 63% of them support HTML5, the format that allows people to watch videos on mobile phones and iPads.
This is interesting data because a year ago, there was a debate raging around Apple's lack of support for Flash. Some people thought it might hurt the iPad. Obviously it hasn't, and it looks like the web video industry is coming around to Steve Jobs' way of thinking.
It's also interesting because companies like Motorola and Research In Motion think offering Flash support for their tablets is a great way to differentiate themselves from Apple. Looks like it might not really matter in the months to come.

 

[Piggie]

CHART OF THE DAY: Apple Won The War Against Flash

I don't really case about Video as that can be handled by other video methods.
It's the other aspects (if you with to all them, online apps) that enable you to do things I'd like to know about.

 

[BaldiMac]

I don't really case about Video as that can be handled by other video methods.
It's the other aspects (if you with to all them, online apps) that enable you to do things I'd like to know about.

Such as...? Almost every type of app that you would use in Flash is available on the app store in a native version. In many cases for free. What are you really missing?

 

[vrDrew]

What are you really missing?

An excuse to ramble on ad nauseum about a horrible, buggy and outdated video format no one cares about?

 

[Seydlitz]

Not sure what your point is here. We've already seen a huge number of websites making changes to support iOS devices. Particularly the types of sites that you are likely to access on mobile devices.

I don't know what you think makes HTML5 something only big companies can afford. Since it is a free and open standard. It really depends on what you want to create as to whether developing in Flash or HTML5 would be more cost effective.

I don't know what makes you think small companies can easily afford to update their website in the current economic climate. I also wonder why you think that profesional website creators work for free.

Now this can be turned towards the customer: If I'm visiting a website with flash, why should I be limited? All the reasons Steve mentioned don't matter at all for the customer. They should want a seamless experience.

A small example. Sesamestreet Netherlands is a free site where no money is made. It's the favorite of my kids. Too bad you can't see it on this ideal couch device. Should this free service provider be forced to rescript their complete site for quite aan amount of money so people with iOs can visit it? It translates into: They should do it because Apple wants it.

 

[BaldiMac]

I don't know what makes you think small companies can easily afford to update their website in the current economic climate. I also wonder why you think that profesional website creators work for free.

I'm not sure where you get this from. I was talking about whether it was cheaper to develop in HTML5 or Flash. Of course updating an existing website cost money or time.

Now this can be turned towards the customer: If I'm visiting a website with flash, why should I be limited?

You are limited by the choices made by be developer of the website. Why are you limited by every other mobile device if you want to visit a site with Silverlight? Or any other proprietary plugin besides Flash? Or any obscure content type? The line had to be drawn somewhere. Apple chose to do it with web standards.

All the reasons Steve mentioned don't matter at all for the customer. They should want a seamless experience.

But they wouldn't have a seamless experience because of all the reasons Jobs mentioned.

A small example. Sesamestreet Netherlands is a free site where no money is made. It's the favorite of my kids. Too bad you can't see it on this ideal couch device. Should this free service provider be forced to rescript their complete site for quite aan amount of money so people with iOs can visit it? It translates into: They should do it because Apple wants it.

Yes. Should someone that developed their site in Silverlight be "forced" to redesign their complete site to reach more customers? What about those sites that were designed to only work with IE? Should they have to redesgin their sites if they want to reach more viewers?

 

[MrWillie]

The iPad 2 doesn't exist either

I think you quoted the wrong post. iPad 2 was not mentioned.

 

[Seydlitz]

Yes. Should someone that developed their site in Silverlight be "forced" to redesign their complete site to reach more customers? What about those sites that were designed to only work with IE? Should they have to redesgin their sites if they want to reach more viewers?

Amusing that answer. Self centered and completely egoistical.. and quite flawed. Which makes it amusing.

1. It uses flash, not silverlight. Installed base of Flash is "substantial".
2. Whine all you want about IE (I assume you mean IE6^^), visiting a site which is scripted for IE6 still works under Mozilla, Safari or Safari, if not completely well aligned.

And you think a roadblock is more seamless "as Job visions it"? Sorry, you are the first person I feel who is drinking the Kool-Aid.

Job is in it for the dollars, he isn;t a saint who works for the betterment of our experience. He makes that money by producing great (seamless) products. But he has been wrong a few times... and in this case it feels like a business conflict repackaged as "vision".