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And so it begins....iBooks Author Lion only

Gomff said:
$30 is the last thing that this is about for me. I have Lion installed, bought it on day one..
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Free upgrade here, for my Early-2011 MBP.

Gomff said:
I just hardly use it because for me, it's not as good as Snow Leopard.
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Me too.

Gomff said:
This is about choice, and the lack thereof.
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Yeah. Still can use Windows XP SP3 within Windows 7 SP1. No Snow Leopard VM within Lion (VMware Fusion excluded).

Gomff said:
Also, the fact that it can be hacked to run on Snow Leopard demonstrates that it's an artificial restriction that has nothing to do with technical differences between SL and Lion.
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Correct. "You" can say about Adobe what you want, but you can still download CS3 products from adobe servers (if you find the links), which support Mac OS X 10.4.x.
 
FWIW I'm actually down with the iBooks idea. It gives more people the chance to produce content and let the market decide if that content is worthwhile enough to pay for. But not supporting SL when it is most likely a minimal effort detracts from the otherwise noble gesture behind iBooks Author.

In a similar way, I'd like to be using Apple's latest OS because I want to, not because I have to.
 
Glad I can use it with Snow Leopard!

It makes me wonder what is really different about Lion, and if there's some glitch to be found by using it on 10.6.8. So far, I've made books with no issues.

Bet they break it again in updates, though.
 
wonderspark said:
Glad I can use it with Snow Leopard!

It makes me wonder what is really different about Lion, and if there's some glitch to be found by using it on 10.6.8. So far, I've made books with no issues.

Bet they break it again in updates, though.
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Nothing is prohibiting them from making Snow Leopard compatible, as far as I know, and it's just Apple's usual practice to only support the latest platform, which sometimes irks me a little.
 
Well, now I've tried various exports, and while I can make PDF books that play on my iPhone fine, I can't seem to get the latest iTunes to allow exports as iBooks to sync to my iPhone 3GS running iOS5. Maybe there's a limitation I'm not aware of, or maybe this is a glitch with SL after all. Ha. I'll have to try to sync it to the iPad next.
 
I don't understand what you think would happen when they started releasing (brand) new software. Do you really think that they would want to make it backwards compatible?

The education market is HUGE. Apple believe this is the best OS yet, and best for everyone, e.g. first time Mac buyers. If they can get it in schools, then kids will show it off to their parents, and they are the ones with money / investment power.

This is also a kick in the a*** aimed at those running the school networks. There will be huge pressure for this new technology from those people not knowing about the 'technical details' and bugs of Lion, and no doubt they can shout a lot louder and in more numbers than a few guys resisting Lion in the campus IT department.....

Yet again, many users on this forum prove to be on the minority side when it comes to opinions about Lion. I have only met a couple of people that still hate it. Most love it.
 
Foogoofish said:
I don't understand what you think would happen when they started releasing (brand) new software. Do you really think that they would want to make it backwards compatible?

The education market is HUGE. Apple believe this is the best OS yet, and best for everyone, e.g. first time Mac buyers. If they can get it in schools, then kids will show it off to their parents, and they are the ones with money / investment power.

This is also a kick in the a*** aimed at those running the school networks. There will be huge pressure for this new technology from those people not knowing about the 'technical details' and bugs of Lion, and no doubt they can shout a lot louder and in more numbers than a few guys resisting Lion in the campus IT department.....

Yet again, many users on this forum prove to be on the minority side when it comes to opinions about Lion. I have only met a couple of people that still hate it. Most love it.
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If Microsoft adopted the same strategy of dropping support for their previous OS the moment they release a new one, they wouldn't have a user base anything like the size that they do.

In the UK, many large organizations such as banks and education authorities don't upgrade their software & hardware that quickly. Sometimes it's for budget reasons, other times it's because they have a system that took time and money to get working and they don't want to mess with it because it does a job.

Outside of the Apple world, it isn't unreasonable to expect longer support for an older OS. XP was supported for a long time after a newer OS was released.
 
maflynn said:
Better is subjective. Apple is moving forward on things, and so while you may not like it. Its a strategic decision by apple that has been in place for a long time. Just because you don't like Lion doesn't mean apple should now bend over backwards for some of the unhappy Lion users.
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Thats my point... they are bending over backwards to make us UNHAPPY. Icloud services work in Snow Leopard, you just have to figure out how to set it up. This app would work on Snow Leopard, but I'm sure apple is doing something on purpose to prevent it.

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dejo said:
And you know this how?
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Because people have already gotten it working just fine on Snow Leopard... simply by changing the os version number in a plist file. Thats deliberately limiting it to Lion for no technical reason, its just to try and force people to upgrade to Lion and give Apple more money.
 
One more area where Apple got it right. Don't waste time and money supporting old operating systems. Upgrade. Move on.

Want support for old OSes? Go run Windoze
 
maflynn said:
10.6 is a legacy OS at this point and apple should not be constrained to produce new products on an OS that has been replaced.
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Sure, but at least allow the ink on the Snow Leopard disk I got back in June to dry first.
 
thewitt said:
One more area where Apple got it right. Don't waste time and money supporting old operating systems. Upgrade. Move on.

Want support for old OSes? Go run Windoze
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"Windoze"....The OS with more than 8 times the market share of OS X.....That's a funny definition of "Getting it right" you've go there:)
 
Windoze, losing market share every day to Apple in part because they refuse to dump the bloat ware that attempts to be backward compatible to applications written in the 1980s
 
thewitt said:
Windoze, losing market share every day to Apple in part because they refuse to dump the bloat ware that attempts to be backward compatible to applications written in the 1980s
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Some perspective:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/microsoft-vs-apple-whos-winning-the-numbers-dont-lie/2504

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(Image taken from This article)

People are hardly leaving windows in droves and in truth, tablet and non-PC usage appears to be taking a bite out of Microsoft and Apple (no pun intended).

Anyway, to get back on topic. For me this is about Apple dictating to its customers when it's time to pay up for an upgrade, and how ironic it is that some Apple customers just take it. This is exactly the kind of behaviour Microsoft used to be criticized for and yet Apple can do it because people still perceive them as the plucky well meaning underdog.

I'm certain that if Apple wants to make big strides in education and enterprise, forced upgrades dictated by Apple rather than the customer are just not going to go down well at all. How do you think schools are going to react if iBooks 3 only runs on the iPad3 (and therefore restricting access to certain textbooks because of course the publishers will want to be shifting newer, shinier versions of their publications).
 
I didn't mind Apple's lack of legacy support before, because the quality of their products, OS X (Snow) Leopard, was so much better than Windows.
Now I'm seeing Apple is starting to slide down the Windoze/Vista path, I really hope that the OSX Lion is just one unfortunate misstep that will be corrected when the next OSX version comes along.
Personally, I'm very disappointed with the way OSX is going now.
I hope Apple aren't slipping up, now that Steve Jobs sadly isn't any longer with us.
 
I only wish that iBooks Author came with an iPad simulator so that I don't have to pay $500 just to see what my book looks like on an iPad. It shouldn't be too hard to simulate the feel using my trackpad.
 
Anyway, to get back on topic. For me this is about Apple dictating to its customers when it's time to pay up for an upgrade.
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The same that Microsoft does. Except they do it within the same version. The tier payments with 6 different versions. I will gladly pay a "forced" upgrade of $30.00 rather then an disabled OS where I'm forced to pay for added functionality for a few hundred dollars more.
 
mrgraff said:
an iPad simulator so that I don't have to pay $500 just to see what my book looks like on an iPad.
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Cycle time's an issue too.
To check a change, you have to export as an eBook, add that to iTunes Library, then sync your iOS device with the library.

At 3 minutes a cycle, that'll let you test 20 edits an hour.
Sure, you can keep a separate "stuff I changed" list going so as to check more than one thing per resync; but we're definitely not talking relativistic revising speed with this software.
 
linuxcooldude said:
The same that Microsoft does. Except they do it within the same version. The tier payments with 6 different versions. I will gladly pay a "forced" upgrade of $30.00 rather then an disabled OS where I'm forced to pay for added functionality for a few hundred dollars more.
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Given your forum nick, I'm surprised you'd pay anything for an OS.:)

I'm on the other side of the argument....I'd have paid double, triple or more for a less buggy Lion if it still supported Rosetta and the daft Versions feature could be turned off but that's a different topic.
 
Gomff said:
Given your forum nick, I'm surprised you'd pay anything for an OS.:)

I'm on the other side of the argument....I'd have paid double, triple or more for a less buggy Lion if it still supported Rosetta and the daft Versions feature could be turned off but that's a different topic.
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Yes, I've been using Linux for 17 year and exclusively for 4 years before going to Mac OSX. As much as I like linux, it can't do everything I want or need to do. I'm not against free enterprise, open source or proprietary software. They all fill a need and are needed.
 
Gomff said:
I'm on the other side of the argument....I'd have paid double, triple or more for a less buggy Lion if it still supported Rosetta and the daft Versions feature could be turned off but that's a different topic.
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I too would gladly pay more for Rosetta, no Versions, and real Expose.

I've been using Macs exclusively since the B/W System 6 days and over the years have built up a nice catalog of PPC applications, stuff ranging from games to the original Adobe CS. Yea it's an older version of Photoshop and everything but it gets the job done and I don't see shelling out cash for something I'm gonna use maybe once every other week.
 
mrgraff said:
I only wish that iBooks Author came with an iPad simulator so that I don't have to pay $500 just to see what my book looks like on an iPad. It shouldn't be too hard to simulate the feel using my trackpad.
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+1. I chose Kindle over iBooks due to the fact that Kindle was multi platform, meaning I could read my books on my Mac.

iBooks 2 for OS X plz Apple.


InuNacho said:
I too would gladly pay more for Rosetta, no Versions, and real Expose.

I've been using Macs exclusively since the B/W System 6 days and over the years have built up a nice catalog of PPC applications, stuff ranging from games to the original Adobe CS. Yea it's an older version of Photoshop and everything but it gets the job done and I don't see shelling out cash for something I'm gonna use maybe once every other week.
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Sounds like you need the 10.6.8 patch. :p
 
It seems authors are more upset about a different restriction. Apparently a book created using iBooks Author can only be sold through the Apple book store. No other form of distribution is allowed.

Of course, the tool is free... so one can't really complain.
 
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