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Windows Phone is growing like iOS used to. Soon, android and windows will dominate, and iOS will be a niche player, much like OSX.

The old timers will continue to use it, much like OSX, while the new buyers will not.

Just my $0.02.

Couldn't agree more.
 
Using this reasoning. Is that not like saying that Apple has the biggest share in the PC market? Which would be misleading.

Windows OS accounts for about 78% of all personal computers sold, while Mac OS is about 3.7%.

However, last year using Mac and iPad sales together, this would make Apple the top single computer vendor in the world, with 14.6% of the market. Hewlett-Packard were next at around 14.1% with the rest making up the numbers.

This would not mean that they are dominating.

Thank you lol
 
It doesn't matter how many manufacturers there are. This is talking about mobile operating systems and it's a fact that Android is dominating iOS right now. Stop making excuses we all know that iOS needs a MAJOR update. Android is currently winning. Numbers are showing it

Android dominates the market but it's given away for free. If iOS, WP8, BB10, etc were given away for companies to do whatever they wanted, their penetration would skyrocket.

But those OS's are either proprietary or pay to license. Because you know, that's what actually makes money.

The real winner isn't Android, it's Samsung, who didn't have to spend money to build their own OS and came out on top regardless. And they already got an Android replacement in the wings already with Tizen.
 
Wouldn't surprise me one bit when Apple starts closing stores and laying off employees in 2 to 3 years. Apple does not know how to fight Android head on. A iPhone 5s will not do it and iPad's are losing market share to cheaper Android tablets. Apple needs new ideas; not sequels. Can we even count the iPad mini as a new idea? It's just a smaller version of iPad 2. Guess the innovation at Apple died with Steve Jobs.
 
Android dominates the market but it's given away for free. If iOS, WP8, BB10, etc were given away for companies to do whatever they wanted, their penetration would skyrocket.

But those OS's are either proprietary or pay to license. Because you know, that's what actually makes money.

The real winner isn't Android, it's Samsung, who didn't have to spend money to build their own OS and came out on top regardless. And they already got an Android replacement in the wings already with Tizen.

How is Google not a winner? Have you seen the stocks lately? Isn't Google bigger than Microsoft now?
 
Wouldn't surprise me one bit when Apple starts closing stores and laying off employees in 2 to 3 years. Apple does not know how to fight Android head on. A iPhone 5s will not do it and iPad's are losing market share to cheaper Android tablets. Apple needs new ideas; not sequels. Can we even count the iPad mini as a new idea? It's just a smaller version of iPad 2. Guess the innovation at Apple died with Steve Jobs.

It's already fighting Android by putting out a cheaper iPhone. A big chunk of Android penetration is the budget and feature phone market, which gets dominated by pieces of plastic and whitebox handsets. Google makes nothing off this market because the phones go to people who can't afford to access the internet. If that cheaper iPhone is price competitive, what do you think people in China and India will buy? A no name Android whitebox piece of plastic or a branded iPhone? If the strategy works, expect iOS penetration to go up and Android penetration to go down.
 
Windows Phone is growing like iOS used to. Soon, android and windows will dominate, and iOS will be a niche player, much like OSX.

The old timers will continue to use it, much like OSX, while the new buyers will not.

Just my $0.02.

could be... iOS marketshare is falling, apple stock plummet and scott forstall comes back to rescue the company as the CEO :p
 
Wouldn't surprise me one bit when Apple starts closing stores and laying off employees in 2 to 3 years. Apple does not know how to fight Android head on. A iPhone 5s will not do it and iPad's are losing market share to cheaper Android tablets. Apple needs new ideas; not sequels. Can we even count the iPad mini as a new idea? It's just a smaller version of iPad 2. Guess the innovation at Apple died with Steve Jobs.

If you actually believe all these then...WOW
 
How is Google not a winner? Have you seen the stocks lately? Isn't Google bigger than Microsoft now?

Have you seen Microsoft's stock lately? It's at a 5 year high

And factoring in everything that came from releasing Android, including patent litigation and that Motorola acquisition, how much money has Google made off Android? None
 
iOS and Android dominating the market? I would say more like Android dominates the market, and apple only has 17%... not much domination by any standard.

With iOS' 6.8% year over year growth and Androids 79.5%, I find hard to agree that iOS is "dominating" the market.

That's true if you look at only unt sales.

But the iPhone still has quite a bit of mindshare, developer support, accessory support, etc. Nobody is forgetting that the iPhone is still a thing.

When you can walk into a gas station and see an iPhone speaker dock for sale... that says something :)

Also... when you can buy "an Android phone" for $80 in some very populous countries... are you really surprised that Android has such phenomenal sales numbers?

And that leads to another point... some people only have $80 to spend on a smartphone. So they're buying a phone within their budget and it happens to be running Android.

They're not choosing the Android platform based on such factors like apps or customizability. They're buying a phone because it's cheap.

It doesn't really say much about the strength of the Android platform.

Congrats to Google for having so many smartphones with their operating system installed on them.

But I'm still a fan of the #2 operating system.
 
I wonder how many people actually believe doing more work for less money is actually a good thing if you strip the Apple bias out of the equation? :D
 
It's already fighting Android by putting out a cheaper iPhone. A big chunk of Android penetration is the budget and feature phone market, which gets dominated by pieces of plastic and whitebox handsets. Google makes nothing off this market because the phones go to people who can't afford to access the internet. If that cheaper iPhone is price competitive, what do you think people in China and India will buy? A no name Android whitebox piece of plastic or a branded iPhone? If the strategy works, expect iOS penetration to go up and Android penetration to go down.

Apple does not have a cheap iPhone.

It is subsidized by the carriers in some countries. Full price for a iPhone 4 is $400 + in a non subsidized market.
 
Apple does not have a cheap iPhone.

It is subsidized by the carriers in some countries. Full price for a iPhone 4 is $400 + in a non subsidized market.

Not talking about the 4S or anything currently on the market. Talking about why they would enter the midrange and budget market, which they're planning to do
 
I know that personal experience is anecdotal, but I find it very hard to accept those numbers. Everywhere I look in the DC area, it's iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, with a few random Androids (and even then it's not "popular" models like the S3). I've literally seen three Windows phones outside of a cell phone store, but they're supposedly selling one Windows phone for every five iPhones? Are these numbers completely bogus, or do Android users just keep their phones tucked tightly away? Why aren't app revenues shifting between iOS and Android if the market share is shifting that much?

The US is not the world. It is not even representative.
 
I still remember when the iPhone 'only sold 4-6 million units' in a quarter. And now, Windows Phone sales are considered disappointing with 'only 7 million sold units' in one single quarter.

I think they are doing great - and I believe that it is unreasonable to expect that a company goes from selling 3 million units to 30 million units a quarter. Going from 3 million to 7 million, like Windows Phone, year-over-year is a great accomplishment. :)

The "company" that you are talking about is not Microsoft, it is Nokia. And their smartphone and phone sales are collapsing. From smartphone market leader to 7 million in a quarter. That is a _huge_ drop.

Nokia was selling Symbian and switched to Windows. Take the totals: Symbian + Windows went from 13.4 to 8.2 million.
 
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Google has about 60 billion in cash but they use the money to invest and innovate. What does Apple do with their money besides borrow money to buy back stocks? Explain to me. Thanks

I think he meant over $150 billion in cash.....

Anyways, these threads always bring out the best, most intelligent posters eh?
 
I think OS marketshare still doesn't matter that much to Apple.

Let's take this pumpkin pie.

Apple gets a slice that is 17% of the pie. Pretty big slice. Then there a few slivers that go to other people. Then 74% goes to Android manufacturers.

That means Motorola, Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony, Huawei, ZTE, Kyocera, Oppo, Lenovo... and countless other Chinese manufacturers... have to share 74% of that pie.

Seems like Apple is eating the best here.

Not to mention that all of Apple's phones come at a premium price which net's them higher profit margin than most others. A huge chunk of Android market share can be attributed to low end smartphones sold in emerging markets. India and China come to mind. Also... most of that 74% is running older Android software... Gingerbread, ICS... etc.

In the IT world, the trend is always much much much much more important than the present status.
 
That's true if you look at only unt sales.

But the iPhone still has quite a bit of mindshare, developer support, accessory support, etc. Nobody is forgetting that the iPhone is still a thing.

When you can walk into a gas station and see an iPhone speaker dock for sale... that says something :)

Also... when you can buy "an Android phone" for $80 in some very populous countries... are you really surprised that Android has such phenomenal sales numbers?

And that leads to another point... some people only have $80 to spend on a smartphone. So they're buying a phone within their budget and it happens to be running Android.

They're not choosing the Android platform based on such factors like apps or customizability. They're buying a phone because it's cheap.

It doesn't really say much about the strength of the Android platform.

Congrats to Google for having so many smartphones with their operating system installed on them.

But I'm still a fan of the #2 operating system.

Careful.....you're bordering on sanity, people here won't like that.

Better duck and cover ;)
 
the way I interpret the data... Apple still grew 6.6%, but the market grew at 41.6%, meaning that Apple's product is not in the high growth segment of the market (the premium market is slowing comparatively). Which reinforces they are coming out with a product to address the high growth segment (likely the mid market)... I do not believe is necessary an iOS 7 thing.

That's because you are looking at the smartphone market, and not the phone market. The growth in the smartphone market last year was from $200 feature phones changing to $200 smartphones; today the growth is from $100 feature phones changing to $100 smartphones. But the phone market isn't actually changing. In the phone market, Apple's market share has been growing continuously.
 
The chart is pretty clear, OS vs OS, and 75% is a pretty healthy chunk for Android.
You have to use some extremely twisted logic to claim that iOS is still winning. It's actually aiming into the irrelevant category and soon it will be below 10%.

Apple makes 75% of the profits in the industry and has 140+ billion just sitting around. How's that for twisted logic?
 
What most people don't realize is that there is only 1 manufacturer of iOS devices - Apple.

There are hundreds of manufacturers of Android capable devices.

You can't compare the output of 1 manufacturer to the output of combining 100's of manufacturers. Doesn't lend itself to a even comparison.

That said I'm very impressed with where Apple is from a manufacturing stand point. Year over year they have demonstrated that they can continue to ship more units (through more efficient manufacturing methods or strategic retail alignments). Impressive.

But one should not forget that the majority of the Android phones is from a single company (Samsung).

However, it also mangles together cheap (bad) low end phones and good expensive phones - Samsung has both, Apple has only the high end market. Would be interesting to see that number broken out into different device 'classes'.
 
Google has about 60 billion in cash but they use the money to invest and innovate. What does Apple do with their money besides borrow money to buy back stocks? Explain to me. Thanks

:confused: Just like Apple's cash, obviously the 60 billion in cash that Google has on hand was not used to "invest and innovate". Otherwise, they wouldn't have it!
 
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