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Android and iOS Now Control Over 80% of Smartphone Sales in U.S.

slapppy said:
Looks like the Free OS given away by Google to every manufacturer on the planet is working to dominate marketshare. It's not winning marketshare because of its merits or superiority in technology. It's winning because its given away by Google to anyone for free.
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What was "free" was CIQ "phoning home" your every keystroke to Google.

iSee said:
IOS and Android killed them off from weakest to stongest...

Palm has it's big tank in 2007
Windows Mobile in 2008
Blackberry in 2010
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And then there were two!
It will be interesting to see how the two big guys duke it out.
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Keep in mind that Android is not ONE manufacturer, but 39 manufacturers, some with virtually no marketing budget. Now that some carriers are not promoting them like they once did when they didn't have the iPhone.

Also, bear in mind that some of the Android phones are hardly "smart", they offer a touch screen and some games, but are otherwise limited compared to other Android devices and certainly limited compared to the iPhone.

It reminds me of the '80s when some people clipped a fake beeper on their belt so other people would think they were somehow important.

Yvan256 said:
Are all those iPods touch and iPads included in those charts?

edit: ok, so the chart is about smartphones but it doesn't depict the reality of iOS vs Android at all without the iPod touch and the iPad.
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I know what you mean, but then if the Android-based Amazon Fire is included in the mix as well, you won't be able to see what's going on in the smart-phone segment. iOS vs Android is a topic for another discussion.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
I really don't see how this is possible because Nokia's CEO swears that the 13-25 y.o. set are bored w/ iOS and perplexed by Android. (obviously he caught Ballmeritis the last dual press conf. the two had) :D
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I've seen the symptoms of Ballmeritis and it's not pretty. The primitive screams and uncontrollable body and limb spasms... the profuse sweating and loss of all good judgement... so sad to witness. :(
 
gblog said:
I don't understand how iTunes seems so difficult to many people. You drag and drop music and it shows under 'Music'. You can create playlists. You can drag and drop videos as long as they're in the supported format. Which music app do you use on your computer?
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I'm guessing he's using vi or emacs.

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Chupa Chupa said:
You know whenever there is a natural disaster in a less developed country it's always Americans (not the gov't but the people,) who are first to dig into their wallets to donate aid. So please spare us the stereotype.
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Yes, and you found out about this "fact" where exactly?
I'm guessing US TV.

Your knowledge about other countries and people is obviously very limited.
 
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Originally posted by foodog:

Actually it is 3 iPhone models with ONE iOS


Not if the user doesn't plug their iPhone into a computer to upgrade to iOS 5...


-Incorrect. Any iPhone you walk in the store and buy today. (3GS, 4, 4s) comes preloaded with iOS 5. Get your facts straight bro
 
Bran1beas said:
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Originally posted by foodog:

Actually it is 3 iPhone models with ONE iOS


Not if the user doesn't plug their iPhone into a computer to upgrade to iOS 5...


-Incorrect. Any iPhone you walk in the store and buy today. (3GS, 4, 4s) comes preloaded with iOS 5. Get your facts straight bro
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I didn't know we were only talking about those bought in store right now. I wouldn't have known if that was the case or not. However, if that's the criteria, every Android device that I looked at last night in the Verizon store at the mall had 2.3.5 on it. So, the ridiculously long list posted earlier wouldn't apply either...bro

My wife's phone still has an older iOS version as she doesn't care to update it. She got it in May I believe.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
So please spare us the stereotype.
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Chill... I *am* an American. I'm just saying that I don't consider the rest of the world when I'm posting something. I probably should, but forget to. It's like that old riddle about the kid getting into an accident, going to the hospital and the Dr. is his mother... back in the day when everyone was sexist... look it up.

Bryan

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kdarling said:
Example?
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OMG... I have no idea where I read that. That was a while back when I was looking to get an Android phone. If I cared enough about it, I'd go search, but don't right now. If I do every get some time, I'll see if I can find it. They interviewed a dev I believe, who had major issues with carriers fiddling with the OS and they often would make key parts of the OS not available or something. Again, I'm no Android expert, just going on what I read while doing research on my Android phone.

Bryan
 
inkswamp said:
And it seems to me that you are trying to make a much bigger deal out of iPad-only apps to equate that with Google declaring an entire version of their OS as tablet-only.
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Honeycomb is the equivalent of the iPad iOS. The fact it has a different version number than the phone version is moot. It runs the Gingerbread apps just like an iPad does the iPhone apps, heck, it runs them even better (their scaling is much better than iOS's "double size" or "black bars".

You're reading too much into the "version 3.0" and it just shows your lack of understanding of the eco-system. It's fine that you're not interested in it to the point of getting informed, but don't presume to assume you know what you are talking about when throwing out words like "fragmentation" then.
 
ChazUK said:
I dont know why people are trying to bash Apple's numbers. The Android share is split between at least Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG (and more).

The figures look great for Google but not as good for the OEMs as Apple has 100% control in its stake of the U.S (and worldwide) Market.
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Exactly.

Worldwide... Samsung is almost neck-and-neck with Apple in terms of phone sales.

But the other Android manufacturers aren't doing as well. Android smart phones are kinda like Windows PCs.... lots of companies all selling virtually the same product. (I'm a Windows user, BTW)

In terms of financials... Motorola and LG haven't had a profitable quarter in a while... and HTC has slashed its earnings outlook twice recently.

You're right... Google is the big winner in terms of market share, which helps their ad sales business. But the Android manufacturers are all fighting with each other for hardware sales.

Some people say iOS vs Android will be a repeat of Mac vs Windows of decades ago. There is one "winner" and one "loser"

I don't think Apple is "losing" anything... even if they are behind Android in market share.

Apple certainly hasn't stopped selling Macs despite "losing" to Windows :D
 
OllyW said:
The latest iPhones have been available free on contract in the UK on the launch day ever since the 3G was released.
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You always miss out on the important stuff. Free is great but if you need to pay £60 a month, then its crazy.

I'm pretty sure you can get it for cheap on Three but on O2 and vodafone, its very expensive. And with the free plans, you're gonna get very less minutes and data(except for Three again).
 
dethmaShine said:
You always miss out on the important stuff. Free is great but if you need to pay £60 a month, then its crazy.

I'm pretty sure you can get it for cheap on Three but on O2 and vodafone, its very expensive. And with the free plans, you're gonna get very less minutes and data(except for Three again).
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No need to pay £60 per month, you can get the 16GB 4S free for £41 per month on a 2 year contract on Vodafone and £42 on O2.
 
Michael Scrip said:
Exactly.

Worldwide... Samsung is almost neck-and-neck with Apple in terms of smartphone sales.
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FTTFY.

Samsung blows Apple away in sheer number of phones. They are neck to neck for smartphones only. I think this last quarter, Samsung even came pretty close to Nokia's number for total cell phones (smartphones and featurephones combined).
 
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I believe we were speaking about phones as sold today. Either way, I think OP was trying to say that iPhone users have the option to run the most current OS. An option Android users don't. And before you say that ICS isn't out yet, I believe it would be a safe bet to say that a vast majority of Android users devices will never make the upgrade to 4.0
 
OllyW said:
No need to pay £60 per month, you can get the 16GB 4S free for £41 per month on a 2 year contract on Vodafone and £42 on O2.
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I think some people here like thinking that carriers don't subsidize the iPhone as much as Android phones. I don't really get why, is it better to pay more for a device that does the same thing ?

Frankly, I'm quite happy my carrier subsidizes the iPhone as much as it does other high end phones. I'd feel cheated having to pay more just because of an Apple.
 
KnightWRX said:
I think some people here like thinking that carriers don't subsidize the iPhone as much as Android phones. I don't really get why, is it better to pay more for a device that does the same thing ?

Frankly, I'm quite happy my carrier subsidizes the iPhone as much as it does other high end phones. I'd feel cheated having to pay more just because of an Apple.
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Well, in reality they don't subsidize anything. They just give you a loan to buy an iPhone or Android phone at full price, then take some of the money that you pay for your contract every month and use it to pay back the loan. If an iPod 4s costs £499 without contract from Apple, and o2 gives you one "for free" with a 24 month £42 per month contract, then about £23 of that £42 pays for the iPhone plus interest plus profit, and £19 pays for your phone calls.
 
gnasher729 said:
Well, in reality they don't subsidize anything. They just give you a loan to buy an iPhone or Android phone at full price, then take some of the money that you pay for your contract every month and use it to pay back the loan. If an iPod 4s costs £499 without contract from Apple, and o2 gives you one "for free" with a 24 month £42 per month contract, then about £23 of that £42 pays for the iPhone plus interest plus profit, and £19 pays for your phone calls.
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In Europe maybe, but not here in Canada. They actually subsidize your phone. If I come to Rogers with a fully paid, unlocked phone, they will charge me the same monthly price as if I buy a phone at reduced pricing from them.

So your reality != my reality.

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SPUY767 said:
iOS grew more than Android, how is that flattening?
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In number of units or just as a percentage ? Because if we're going percentage, WP7 beat them both ! 1% to 2% market share is a 100% growth rate. Compare that to iOS's paltry 38% ! :rolleyes:

Percentage charts are bad. Growth percentage is even worse of a metric.
 
KnightWRX said:
I think some people here like thinking that carriers don't subsidize the iPhone as much as Android phones. I don't really get why, is it better to pay more for a device that does the same thing ?

Frankly, I'm quite happy my carrier subsidizes the iPhone as much as it does other high end phones. I'd feel cheated having to pay more just because of an Apple.
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We are lucky because we've got a lot of choice and can go for a subsidised phone on contract or buy the phone at full price and get very cheap monthly deals. The top end Android phones usually work out a little bit cheaper than the iPhone but there's not a lot in it.

I signed up to my iPhone 4 on a contract that cost £5 a month more than the one I needed because the handset was £100 cheaper, knowing I could drop down to the cheaper tariff after 9 months and save £55. :D
 
GreyStreet said:
Not if the user doesn't plug their iPhone into a computer to upgrade to iOS 5...
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Time will cure. After using iOS 5, I haven't synced my iPhone with my computer for once except for the first time when I needed to load my music library onto it.
 
KnightWRX said:
Samsung is almost neck-and-neck with Apple in terms of smartphone sales.

FTTFY.

Samsung blows Apple away in sheer number of phones. They are neck to neck for smartphones only. I think this last quarter, Samsung even came pretty close to Nokia's number for total cell phones (smartphones and featurephones combined).
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Oops! Yeah, thanks!

With that in mind... my overall message is still the same:

Samsung is certainly the leader in Android phone sales... but all the other individual manufacturers are far below Samsung and even Apple.

Apple once sold 20 million iPhones in a single quarter... has Motorola ever sold 20 million smartphones in a quarter?

Samsung is doing great... HTC is doing OK... while Motorola and LG have had a few disappointing quarters.

Android is doing great... but not all Android OEMs are reaping the rewards.
 
Just looked at my GMail chat window - 12 contacts online, 4 in the US, rest outside - 9 are on Android device!

Went to office couple days ago and an middle aged lady saw my Atrix and asked "That fancy phone of yours - is it the Galaxy?"

Says something about Android really becoming mainstream! Quite a feat in face of everyone and their dog having iPhones :D
 
TMay said:
Nice strawman.
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So pointing that the statement he said wasn't true makes it a Strawman argument? So you're going to agree with him that there is only 1 model of iPhone, and 1 version of iOS?

This is a reasoned discussion, please do come back with a counter-argument. I'm not trying to say that there aren't lots and lots of Android handsets, or different versions of Android, I'm just pointing out to him that there is more than 1 model of iPhone, and more than 1 version of iOS.
 
SPUY767 said:
iOS grew more than Android, how is that flattening?
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I'm not joining in that discussion, but just to add some perspective other than percentages, here are the US sales figures that the chart indicates:

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          2010    2011    Increase
Android    28m     50m     22 million
iOS        14m     27m     13 million

(Assumes the chart's market percentage for most of 2011 will hold until the end of this year, and using known and predicted US smartphone sales of 67 million in 2010, and 95 million for 2011.)
 
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