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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Doesn't all software and hardware have shortcomings, which is basically a value opinion?
My perfect world is not your perfect world, which is not the next persons idea of utopia. Nobody is saying, these companies shouldn't vie for our business, I certainly never said that.
What I did say, is that I like my iphone; that in no way says some things about the hardware and software could be improved, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with your (or anybody elses) version of what improvement looks like.
As far as "odd discrepancies" go, to me there is a difference between a "design defect" and "bad design". To take an example, I happen to think plugging in the pencil for 15 seconds to get a 30 minute charge is ingenious. Can the pencil be broken? Sure, anything can be broken if you are not careful. My wife broke the charging connector on her laptop and that wasn't bad design. I know people who had grease fires in their kitchen, bad design or not careful? When tens of millions of use cases are considered anything can happen to anything is the point.
epicrayban
macrumors 604
Sure.
So what's the answer? I'm tired of copying and pasting the question. It's a simple yes/no question.
Plugging the pencil into the iPad is ingenious? Wow your expectations are quite low.
Plugging a device in a power source to be charged is in no way, shape or form ingenious.
Ingenious would be if the pencil could attach to the side of iPad via magnets while being charged wirelessly.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
I think anybody revisiting this thread is tired of this pursuit.
I use both Google and Apple products so couldn't give a damn which is the most valuable company as they trade places for top spot so often. As long as they give good products to the market which they do, that's as far as my involvement goes.
It's no longer the world's most valuable company.Alphabet is.Aa far as 40B goes judging by how the iPhone 7 is a borinag release,3 years from now we could be down to 20B revenue and you would still say "Hey they STILL made 20B"
The Jobs magic has run it's course.I wouldn't be surprised if Apple stock hit $75 by the year end
Its quite okay looking but once you put it up against the S7 Edge it's like I am comparing those ultra slim LG 4K TV with those tube tvs we had.
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
I'm very impressed with the S7 and would like it as my next phone if it's cheap enough by September.
The iPhone I have though is good enough for what I use it for though and it would probably be more sensible for me to save money on the contract and keep it. Regardless of what phone I own I end up performing the same tasks on them anyway.
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A $400-$500 iPhone SE may be not be a huge factor in China.
SE = Still Expensive
A growth spurt is coming from the "food stamp" phones one reviewer says on YouTube. Dirt cheap phones that cost under $150. The flagship over $600 is saturated enough as is. Right now, I have a $30 Moto E on the way as a 3rd or 4th stringer but some of my cousins want me to get them the ZTE Zmax 2 for $100. That Zmax 2 would cost maybe 2.5X if bought here.
I was talking to my female cousin who is addicted to phones like me and owns like four of them. I told her there is more of an advantage to have more phones than to simply rely on one expensive flagship. What if your daily driver is hitting low batt? What if it got stolen? A team or family of phones is better than just one or two. And each phone is like The Avengers or X-Men where they have their own talent and skill set. I really don't prefer or rank favorites as long it is there. Let the fanboys argue about their preferences.
I mean, alot of cheap phones are quite already great as is. Flagships from 2-3 years ago are being surpassed by current sub-$150 phones already. Most people buying phones could do it for brand but reality is the SoC inside is what drives up the cost. I can live with a Snapdragon 400/410 than a 808/810. Mediatek too! The SoC and display are the most expensive components. And design don't mean squat to me when you realize how cheap those shells are. I see China-made white box phones that can brand it Samsung but it looks like a god damn HTC One! You will realize external design shells are cheap.
I hope the cheap phones continue to thrive and become the hidden treasures of the smartphone industry. I think of phones like having many different cars that takes you were you want to go online or connection. We pay premium thinking WE NEED those specs and size when they drop value faster than the midrange market. The cheaper they become, the more for me. And I am one of those phone geeks that utilizes my $30-$180 phones better than most people who utilizes their $600-$700 flagship phone. It won't act like a cheap phone with me.
Go on YouTube and watch how smartphones and tablets are being made in China. That is why debates about phones make me laugh since most of them come out of those Asian factories especially in China. You will realize how much money we are really wasting with brand loyalty, wasting time arguing which is better, wanting the best, and designed shells that don't cost any higher than the SoC chip inside. Disposal products that will be put in landfills someday.
Don't be so attached and try to enjoy them all if you could. Then throw them away when they longer work. Wash, rinse, repeat.
SE = Still Expensive
A growth spurt is coming from the "food stamp" phones one reviewer says on YouTube. Dirt cheap phones that cost under $150. The flagship over $600 is saturated enough as is. Right now, I have a $30 Moto E on the way as a 3rd or 4th stringer but some of my cousins want me to get them the ZTE Zmax 2 for $100. That Zmax 2 would cost maybe 2.5X if bought here.
I was talking to my female cousin who is addicted to phones like me and owns like four of them. I told her there is more of an advantage to have more phones than to simply rely on one expensive flagship. What if your daily driver is hitting low batt? What if it got stolen? A team or family of phones is better than just one or two. And each phone is like The Avengers or X-Men where they have their own talent and skill set. I really don't prefer or rank favorites as long it is there. Let the fanboys argue about their preferences.
I mean, alot of cheap phones are quite already great as is. Flagships from 2-3 years ago are being surpassed by current sub-$150 phones already. Most people buying phones could do it for brand but reality is the SoC inside is what drives up the cost. I can live with a Snapdragon 400/410 than a 808/810. Mediatek too! The SoC and display are the most expensive components. And design don't mean squat to me when you realize how cheap those shells are. I see China-made white box phones that can brand it Samsung but it looks like a god damn HTC One! You will realize external design shells are cheap.
I hope the cheap phones continue to thrive and become the hidden treasures of the smartphone industry. I think of phones like having many different cars that takes you were you want to go online or connection. We pay premium thinking WE NEED those specs and size when they drop value faster than the midrange market. The cheaper they become, the more for me. And I am one of those phone geeks that utilizes my $30-$180 phones better than most people who utilizes their $600-$700 flagship phone. It won't act like a cheap phone with me.
Go on YouTube and watch how smartphones and tablets are being made in China. That is why debates about phones make me laugh since most of them come out of those Asian factories especially in China. You will realize how much money we are really wasting with brand loyalty, wasting time arguing which is better, wanting the best, and designed shells that don't cost any higher than the SoC chip inside. Disposal products that will be put in landfills someday.
Don't be so attached and try to enjoy them all if you could. Then throw them away when they longer work. Wash, rinse, repeat.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
That'll switch up fast with the iPhone 7. How much did the competition make on similar services?
If it hits 75 I personally still make a killing. The "Apple is doomed " Is strong in this one.
A more likely scenario given Apple, is the quarter the i7 is released Apple has a record breaking quarter, making 55b, stock goes up to 110 leaving Google in the dust.
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gotluck
macrumors 603
Apple doesn't ever do anything wrong eh?
Most Google fans can point to many things that annoy them wrt Google.
Don't think we've ever seen you criticize apples actions or products ever.. It is very weird. When metrics are down there is never a problem either. Everything is always as good as possible
Most Google fans can point to many things that annoy them wrt Google.
Don't think we've ever seen you criticize apples actions or products ever.. It is very weird. When metrics are down there is never a problem either. Everything is always as good as possible
epicrayban
macrumors 604
Yup. It's obvious he doesn't want to answer. He prefers to let us draw our own conclusion. And there are only so many one can draw given his post history. I tried my best to understand him. Just so odd that when his own metrics don't favor Apple, he is suddenly so mum! But if it is Apple at the top, he sings quite a different tune.
The mysteries of @I7guy !
Agree with the rest. There's no doubt Apple and Google will exchange leads more times throughout the future.
The point is no matter who is at the top, we can discuss and compare their respective technologies independent of sales and profits and market share and other such financial metrics.
Because if sales and profits is all some people wanna go by, then by that logic, Google currently must have the best smartphones. And any shortcomings they have that people want to discuss must conflict with the millions of Android users that are happy with Android as evidenced by the #1 value position and market share.
One can easily see how silly such an argument is. And it's the argument @I7guy loves to use... but as far as I can tell, only for Apple, it seems.
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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
I use googles products. I like some and don't like some. Those I like I use (without much criticism) and those I don't like I don't use (again without any criticism other than I don't like them) (I'll leave out the entire with Google you are the product discussion)
epicrayban
macrumors 604
If Apple stock hits 75, I would certainly buy some. If they don't return to form this year, I think they will in 2017 with their 10th anniversary iPhone release. Rumor points to a far more exciting iPhone for that year. But by then where will smartphones be? How far will other OEMs have advanced? That is the tricky question.
Anyway, 2016 is not done yet, so we'll see. I sincerely hope all these modest update rumors prove false. Maybe they're all controlled leaks to throw us off the trail?
Surprise us, Apple.
No it will not, this thread has gone way off topic.
Talking about market share..... Which leads to all the other arguments....
If Apple just, as reliable rumours state, launch a mildly updated iPhone 6 this year its sales and therefore market share will drop even further. The competition isn't going to sit still!
And what makes this outcome even more likely are again the reliable rumours that the 2017 iPhone model will be a totally new and clever and innovative design! Now people who like me buy their phones outright, or get them on two year contracts, are not going to get a phone practically the exact same as they already have. When the following year they can get something totally new.
It says it all when analysts predict the only threat to Androids increasing market share is the new small iPhone SE.
Your outlook you just painted for this years iPhone 7 model is the exact opposite of every single analyst whose paid to predict these things, and the suppliers themselves who also predict low costs due to lack of innovation this year.
Do you know something the people who make the iPhone don't?
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epicrayban
macrumors 604
No one actually cares or needs you to actually complain about Google or Apple (not that the latter is happening anytime soon).
The issue is you deflect threads and conversations when others talk and criticize Apple. And you do so by injecting all these financial metrics and how there are millions of iPhone users.
Yet, now that the metrics currently aren't usable in your favor, you're suddenly so quiet. And refuse to admit the same kind of argument shouldn't work for whoever is at the top, whether it's Google or Apple or anyone else.
But again, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
You will have to stop going around the net gloating how Apple is THE MOST VALUABLE COMPANY IN THE WORLD, because it apparently means something to you in your arguments of Alphabet VS Apple, or iOS VS Android.
gotluck
macrumors 603
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epicrayban
macrumors 604
It really wouldn't be hard for Apple to gain back some market share and valuation.
We are merely holding Apple to the standard that they themselves set.
The world's most advanced mobile operating system should therefore be more advanced. The leading innovator in this industry should therefore be more innovative, or at the very least good enough to lead again in more areas.
We're going by what Apple taught us. I don't think that's unreasonable.
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It sure is. There probably isn't a bigger culprit of this than i7guy.
Now everyone knows.
We are merely holding Apple to the standard that they themselves set.
The world's most advanced mobile operating system should therefore be more advanced. The leading innovator in this industry should therefore be more innovative, or at the very least good enough to lead again in more areas.
We're going by what Apple taught us. I don't think that's unreasonable.
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It sure is. There probably isn't a bigger culprit of this than i7guy.
Now everyone knows.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Not gloating stating facts, and talk about contributing to off-topic conversation...sheesh.
Market share is a measurement; market share tells one nothing about this market except the most popular...similar to Windows vs Mac which in and of itself is a ridiculous comparison in market share.
It's currently and will possibly soon be a 'fact' you will no longer be able to use.
And kudos to twisting market share points to mean nothing, even though they mean everything.
Just because you don't like the fact Android has more market share and it's a fact Apple is losing market share to Android, doesn't mean you can simply chose to ignore it because it fails to benefit your argument.
Apple loses sales, Apple loses profits, Apple loses share price, and as a result Apple loses 'market share'.
epicrayban
macrumors 604
Isn't marketshare super important to Google? Isn't that their business model? They're a software company that wants to get as many users browsing, shopping, etc. through Android, no?
Isn't marketshare directly related to Google's enormous profits?
Isn't marketshare directly related to Google's enormous profits?