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Ah, you mean a bunch of hardware manufacturers beating the crap out of each other to sell high-volume low-margin hardware while their OS overlords sit back and count the cash?

Yeah, I think you're right - the Android business is going to be just like the Windows computer business. ;)

Thanks... Hopefully, a lot more will agree. No fanboy here, just stating an opinion. Windows = PC, Android = phone OS. Apple = on its own again
 
As opposed to ONE hardware manufacturer/OS overlord who sits back and counts the cash?

With Android, there will be one overlord counting the cash: Google. The hardware makers are going to marginalize themselves just as Windows PC makers have done.

I'd much rather get more for my $$ than making a rich corporation even richer by paying for overpriced hardware.

Ah, the naivete that Google (FYI, a "rich corporation getting even richer") created Android simply because they love you continues... :rolleyes:
 
Two of them were already here.:)


I keep using my ipod touch, but it is just a matter of time before I buy an Android device. i like Froyo.

hidden and undetected!

This whole "Android vs iPhone" argument reminds me of political affiliation. Some to the left, some to the right, and the mighty few in-between.
 
Android?

Haha Android will always win until the iphone comes to Verizon. It is obvious that verizon is enough to keep people from flocking to the iphone. Walled garden indeed. ;)

I work with a ton of people (the hospital I work at >2000 employees) that would buy the iPhone if it were on Verizons network. As a share holder, I would love to see the iPhone available to all carriers.
 
Meanwhile in Bizarro world:

Apple, with their total disregard for the customer has done this. They give us a walled garden,no ability to transfer/sell apps, defective equipment that loses signal when held to the point of affecting the call, and moral approval of apps and their content.

I think the people is waking up here, and they don't like the dystopian future that the Apple iOS ecosystem is heralding.

Yeah, that must be why the iPhone 4 is breaking all sales records as well as the iPad...
 
I know it's probably just the fanboy in my mind, but I truly have faith in Apple.

FOR ME the iP4 was a solid release (Enough to upgrade from my 3Gs) and with Android showing his nuts now, I believe Apple will whip out his dick.

I know notifications will be better, and with iOS5 I do feel a good revamp (but not too much) will most certainly happen. A new design is a no brainer though (even though I have no problems with the current one!)
 
hidden and undetected!

This whole "Android vs iPhone" argument reminds me of political affiliation. Some to the left, some to the right, and the mighty few in-between.
This is true. I appreciate the iPhone and have for years now but quite frankly I am done excusing myself for dropped calls.

Apple, with their total disregard for the customer has done this. They give us a walled garden,no ability to transfer/sell apps, defective equipment that loses signal when held to the point of affecting the call, and moral approval of apps and their content.

I think the people is waking up here, and they don't like the dystopian future that the Apple iOS ecosystem is heralding.

It is possible I will lose all of my online friends for this but I agree with this statement and I've been an iPhone owner since inception. I don't agree 100%, I do believe there should be better policing of the Android market but frankly what the iPhone has done for the rest of the market is force them to step up. It is because I need a phone before anything else that I am switching. I can always switch back but I need to woman up and get out of AT&Ts clenches.
 
With Android, there will be one overlord counting the cash: Google. The hardware makers are going to marginalize themselves just as Windows PC makers have done.

If hardware manufacturers want marginalize themselves by competing against each other selling me the fastest hardware at the lowest margins why should I give a crap??

Ah, the naivete that Google (FYI, a "rich corporation getting even richer") created Android simply because they love you continues... :rolleyes:

Read what I wrote carefully. I'm well aware google makes money from me. But not from selling overpriced hardware like apple does.
 
Re: some of the Windows Mobile comments.

- I was at a business lunch the other day, and was astonished at the number of WinMo phones still being used. Perhaps due to contract lengths?

- The Touch Pro's, Imagio and HD2 are still near the top of specs for phones (they're all WVGA screens), and are some of the few decent world phones with GSM+UMTS+CDMA radios.

- In addition to WP7 for consumers, WM 6.5 will be kept around for enterprise apps. In the typical confusing MS method of reusing old names, it will now be called Windows Mobile Classic.
 
This is true. I appreciate the iPhone and have for years now but quite frankly I am done excusing myself for dropped calls.

I feel for those who drop calls and luckily fall into the "no dropped calls here" category. For what it's worth, my Verizon friends regularly complain about dropped calls (on their network) and have since switched over to AT&T and love it. Probably should be in an AT&T commercial.

Does any "good" data exist that shows the dropped call rate for ALL providers nationwide? Maybe even the type of phone they're using and location? Lot to ask for I know.
 
Not that this is a big deal, but it shows that each new phone released with Android does something different. You can pick up the latest phone today and have it "obsoleted" tomorrow.

I use the term "obsoleted" loosely. Obviously the phones aren't obsolete and still work fine, but with new stuff coming out at such a rapid pace it can be overwhelming to try to figure out what you want.

Is the Droid 2 going to offer much over the Droid X? Will Droid X users wish they had waited for the Droid 2? Will the Droid 2 users wish they had waited another 2 months for the Droid Amazing?

How is choice a bad thing? So your phone gets made obsolete by newer ones. The same thing happens on Apple's platform just at a slower pace. Meaning features are slow to be brought to the platform itself. It took 3 years just to get a camera flash on an iPhone!! That's crazy.
 
I haven't seen many Android devices break the 1 million barrier. Not the Nexus One, Evo 4G, Droid X, Droid Incredible. I think the original Droid was the first Android device to break the 1 million barrier. Meanwhile, every iPhone has done that.

The EVO could have easily broken the 1 million mark if not for production issues with screens. It still may if they get them resolved. It's a phone very much in demand still.
 
It's platform vs. platform really. The apps will go to the platform with the bigger install base. People should clearly be seeing the parallel here between the Mac and Windows desktop battle. iPhone is going to lose. Vertical integration ALWAYS loses. Steve Jobs hasn't changed in 30 years, and he's actually had many many failings. I use an iPhone 4, but it's pretty obvious to me that it's going to "lose".

That's exactly right. Jobs nearly killed Apple in the 1980s with the closed Mac (the "1984" commercial was a demonstration of chutzpah more than anything else, since he was doing more than anyone else to impose central control on computing) and he may hurt Apple again with the same approach. I've got a MacPro, a MacBookPro, an iPad, and and iPhone3G but I just got a Droid X because two years with ATT is enough. I may also get a Dell just so I can get BluRay support. The Droid isn't as elegant as the iPhone but it makes and receives phone calls on the best carrier in my area.
 
Android vs Iphone? Shouldn't it be Android vs IOS4?

This study they did does not compare the most of the data for Iphone 4 so it starts off scued. Not to mention, this comparison is like a race between one runner vs a relay team w/ 8 different runners on it... Corny analogy I know... but they are basically comparing Apples (no pun intended) to oranges. Not fair to compare the Iphone (one handset) to multiple handset on Android. Would be great to see a realistic sales comparison between the Iphone and the EVO, or the Iphone and each of the Droids. Just does not compare. Better yet, why not compare all the devices using IOS4 to Android Millions of Iphones, Millions of Ipads, Millions of IPods? Scary....I am sure they just don't want to see those numbers 'cause then there would be no story. Nothing to study or write about. Android would be dwarfed by the numbers. Not a fanboy just taking a realistic look at this.
 
The EVO could have easily broken the 1 million mark if not for production issues with screens. It still may if they get them resolved. It's a phone very much in demand still.

I would also add that the Droid X will probably easily break the 1 million mark. Android isn't about one phone though... its about all of them as a whole. In that sense Apple will never win the war.
 
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Correct me if I'm reading this chart wrong, but it seems Android's growth in the last two quarters is coming from Windows/Palm/RIM users.

iPhone use is still growing (slowly), so any ground lost to Android is from potential slice of the Windows/Palm/Rim market and not from existing Apple share. It's almost like Apple has taken 28% while Google is battling the rest for the now remaining 68%. So if Microsoft, and even Palm/HP, get their act together to start holding their ground it will impact more on future Android sales than iPhone.
 
To summarize: More Android phones sold in past 6 months than iPhones, but iPhone still more appealing than Android to browse with (and, if the analogy holds, to use in general)....

Not true. I have both a 3Gs and a Galaxy S.

It is in fact much more appealing to browse on the 4" Super Amoled Galaxy S, than on the iPhone.

The browsers available on Android are every bit as good as Mobile Safari, with tabbed browsing, etc..

Plus, with Android you get the real web, with Flash.

Trust me, browsing is much better on the new larger screen Androids.
 
Apple, with their total disregard for the customer has done this. They give us a walled garden,no ability to transfer/sell apps, defective equipment that loses signal when held to the point of affecting the call, and moral approval of apps and their content.

I think the people is waking up here, and they don't like the dystopian future that the Apple iOS ecosystem is heralding.

25 years and deliriously happy with Apple, built a huge business with their help. I for one enjoy the fact that I don't get viruses, porn, ripoff apps, security phishers etc. on my phone, I LIKE the fact that Apple pre-approves apps. The signal issue is moot if you haven't checked; but either way, no company over the last 25 years has treated me BETTER than Apple.

I"m happy, you're not. Good. So don't buy any of their products please, even though I own a bunch of stock I bought in '96. What are you doing here anyway if you hate the company so much? Go post on the Dell website...

Wouldn't trade my 3Gs for any Android BTW, just my opinion.
 
This study they did does not compare the most of the data for Iphone 4 so it starts off scued. Not to mention, this comparison is like a race between one runner vs a relay team w/ 8 different runners on it... Corny analogy I know... but they are basically comparing Apples (no pun intended) to oranges. Not fair to compare the Iphone (one handset) to multiple handset on Android. Would be great to see a realistic sales comparison between the Iphone and the EVO, or the Iphone and each of the Droids. Just does not compare. Better yet, why not compare all the devices using IOS4 to Android Millions of Iphones, Millions of Ipads, Millions of IPods? Scary....I am sure they just don't want to see those numbers 'cause then there would be no story. Nothing to study or write about. Android would be dwarfed by the numbers. Not a fanboy just taking a realistic look at this.

Sticky this! You've successfully summarized 10 pages of banter in one paragraph. Thanks.
 
Mobile is the next great frontier for malware. I'd be perfectly content to not have Apple sitting in the #1 spot with a target on their backs, something I've been worrying about since the original iPhone in 07. Let Android become the Windows of mobile (crappy & malware-ridden yet ubiquitous)

Amen to that. Sometimes the best defense is simply for there to be an easier and more desirable target. That's certainly held true in the computer OS market. So far.
 
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