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I find it interesting to see Android and Windows Mobile line are about opposite, making it appear that Android is mostly taking sales from WM, not from iOS devices.

The really, really interesting graphs will be when the iPhone goes to Verizon (if ever???). It seems Android is starting to do very, very well due to it being the dominant OS on Verizon. Most people I know who have bought Android phones on Verizon had a desire to own an iPhone at one point but gave up when they saw a worthy competitor

The iPhone will never go to Verizon because they hurt Steve's feelings when they did the Droid commercials last winter. Steve tends to hold grudges for years. Apple could have had a larger market, but sticking with AT&T only has given Google one heck of a great growth opportunity.

I love my Android phone and love my Verizon service. I remember about this time last year all of the iPhone fans were making fun of Android claiming it would never even get off the ground. Wow how much difference a year can make! Makes you wonder what things will be like in another year with Apple still married to AT&T and Android enjoying record growth on all carriers.
 
Exactly. Kinda stupid. "Our 25 phones can outsell your 1!" :rolleyes:

The only one thats stupid is apple if they want to be #1 in market share.

Not to mention the "Buy a Droid, get one free" deals.

And what exactly is wrong with that? Consumers get phones that are worth $1000 for $200. Or are you in favor of making rich coroprations even richer at the expense of consumers?
 
And who fault is that? Blame Apple. Don't knock Google for releasing a billion phones.

Correction honey, Google doesn't make phones(sans the defunct N1)! The Android phone game is littered by competing players like Moto and LG. Google makes its Android money from mobile ads. Hello! The OS is free and so every celly maker is on the band wagon. Just like Windows and their OEM partners.

And with so many new Android handsets entering the market on a daily basis and old ones getting ebay'd, expect the aftermarket Android phone to eventually suck sales out of new stuff. This is what happens when you saturate a product like this.
Apple is in a very god place. Their business model insures self preservation in this volatile mobile game.
 
Sounds like we're back to the old Mac vs Windows drivel.

I don't give a rat's behind who's number 1....or why it is at all important. Cuz it's not.

Actually it is. If there's one thing Ballmer got right it's "developers, developers, developers. Software companies are going to develop for the platform where they can get the biggest bang for their buck. That's the reason why choices on the Mac are limited . I can always find something that works, but not always. I MUST use Primavera P6 v6 and Oracle doesn't support it on the Mac platform. I have a flight simulator for my model airplane, again Windows only. The list goes on & on and some of us must own a PC besides our Mac (or at least run a version of Windows on the Mac)...

Same is true for phones. When the day hit when Android has 5 or 6 times iPhone's market share, I have no doubt some developers will drop support for iPhone. Of course, if you can find something that's "just as good", "almost exactly like" etc. etc. and will be happy with that, that's fine...

I predict that in the next few years, ALL phones will be Smartphones. Technology is moving that fast and prices are dropping even faster. And judging from it's open nature, it makes perfect sense to believe the majority of those will be Android phones of some type. Will I still own an iPhone? Maybe. But I'm the guy who took his iPhone 4 back and reactivated my 3GS and if the iPhone 5 doesn't work for me, I'll look for something else to replace my 2 year old phone.

And I won't be alone.
 
No it won't. There's no leverage imbalance -- Apple makes uncomfortably large profits being on AT&T only, and Verizon is the #1 carrier in America without the iPhone. Both groups stand to make lots of money by being together, but neither group "needs" the other. Hardly the situation where a "bloodbath" will ensue -- but I'll let the Android fanboys have their wet dream.

And you ARE in a dream world if you think Microsoft beat Apple in the 80's by being more "consumer centric" or that Android is growing because they're "consumer centric." Microsoft beat Apple by being cheaper and putting more machines in corporate settings (thereby encouraging people to get Microsoft products at home to be compatible). Android is growing faster than Apple by having more product available on more carriers.

"Consumer centric?" Ha. Consumers don't give a crap about that, neither do companies. Wake up.

Microsoft did not put less expensive machines into the corporate market. Computer makers did that as a result of competition. Competition also produced computers with a more diverse range of features that allowed customers to buy exactly what they wanted instead of being forced to compromise their preferences. The same type of competition that is driving Android sales past the iPhone...the same way it drove Windows sales past Apple's early PC advantage.

Customer-centric does not mean customer-loving. It means that you provide products that match customer's needs better than the next seller. Hardware competition did it for Microsoft, and is doing it at an astonishing rate for Google.

The numbers show that consumers do, in fact, care a great deal about getting what they want...Steve Jobs notwithstanding. A large and increasing number of them are showing that preference for choice by buying one of the rainbow of options available on the Android platform instead of being force-fed what Steve says they should have.
 
That's a lot of growth!

This was inevitable. There are very good Android phones, and they're on multiple carriers.

Happy Monday, Steve Jobs! :p

Tiga Jr.
 
And with so many new Android handsets entering the market on a daily basis and old ones getting ebay'd, expect the aftermarket Android phone to eventually suck sales out of new stuff. This is what happens when you saturate a product like this.
Apple is in a very god place. Their business model insures self preservation in this volatile mobile game.


^^ Apple is LOSING marketshare to android. The vast majority of the new ip4 sold have been to existing customers.

Android is gaining NEW smartphone owners because its hardware lineup and pricepoints and carriers spans the entire range of customers.
 
i think once you start using the X, you'll begin to realize how much of a 'toy' the iPhone feels like compared to the X.

Had a Droid1 since it came out. Very comfortable with the OS and having the extra screen real estate will be nice. The X isn't nearly as unwieldy as I thought it would be or as alluded to by iP4 lovers.
 
The iPhone will never go to Verizon because they hurt Steve's feelings when they did the Droid commercials last winter. Steve tends to hold grudges for years. Apple could have had a larger market, but sticking with AT&T only has given Google one heck of a great growth opportunity.

I love my Android phone and love my Verizon service. I remember about this time last year all of the iPhone fans were making fun of Android claiming it would never even get off the ground. Wow how much difference a year can make! Makes you wonder what things will be like in another year with Apple still married to AT&T and Android enjoying record growth on all carriers.

LOL!!! You are so out in left field!
Verizon wanted more control over the iphone and Apple wouldn't budge so the deal went south and Apple went to att.
As for Android, is it one phone company or a coalition of competing celly makers? It is the latter. Android is free and it just piggybacks on a non Apple smart phone market. Period. End of.
The only thing you get when you buy an Android phone is the hardware.
When we Apple fans get an iphone we get the best damn customer service around, a top notch device and a world class media ecosystem no one has been able to beat. Ever!
So take your Android and shove it where only your bootyologist can find it.
 
Dumped my 3Gs

I dumped my 3Gs a month ago, for an Android.

LOVE the Samsung Galaxy S!!!

The 4" Super AMOLED screen is the best, IMO, out there. The OS2.1 UI is good - with a little tweaking as good as iOS4. Froyo is coming next month, which should mainly increase speed and polish the UI a little, but OS3 is coming in October, which should solidify Android as the best UI in the business.

I switched mainly because Steve Jobs' arrogance rubbed me the wrong way, and because I wanted Flash.

But now that I am on Android, I am not looking back to iOS. My 3Gs looks sad and old compared to the Galaxy S.

I still like Apple's desktop and laptop designs though, as well as OS X, so Apple will be getting my $$$$$ for the foreseeable future.

Just not a penny more for the locked down, Flash-less iOS.
 
^^ Apple is LOSING marketshare to android. The vast majority of the new ip4 sold have been to existing customers.

Android is gaining NEW smartphone owners because its hardware lineup and pricepoints and carriers spans the entire range of customers.

I would be curious to see this metric actually. I think its a mix though. Apple is losing customers who are sick of AT&T and really a lack of anything extraordinary in the iPhones progression, and gaining new customers who have been waiting with there minds made up to buy an iPhone once there contracts were up.


I dumped my 3Gs a month ago, for an Android.

LOVE the Samsung Galaxy S!!!

The 4" Super AMOLED screen is the best, IMO, out there. The OS2.1 UI is good - with a little tweaking as good as iOS4. Froyo is coming next month, which should mainly increase speed and polish the UI a little, but OS3 is coming in October, which should solidify Android as the best UI in the business.

I switched mainly because Steve Jobs' arrogance rubbed me the wrong way, and because I wanted Flash.

But now that I am on Android, I am not looking back to iOS. My 3Gs looks sad and old compared to the Galaxy S.

I still like Apple's desktop and laptop designs though, as well as OS X, so Apple will be getting my $$$$$ for the foreseeable future.

Just not a penny more for the locked down, Flash-less iOS.

Same boat. My EVO is ridiculous! The battery was terrible the first few days but it appears it just needed to go through some charge cycles because now its great! I love the huge screen and its really fast! Not to mention as much as people bash Sprint they are light years ahead of AT&T. I think Apple really had a chance to retain those on the cusp users (like myself) but they missed the boat. I will always buy Apple computers (unless iOS becomes the OS.)
 
Correction honey, Google doesn't make phones(sans the defunct N1)! The Android phone game is littered by competing players like Moto and LG. Google makes its Android money from mobile ads. Hello! The OS is free and so every celly maker is on the band wagon. Just like Windows and their OEM partners.

And with so many new Android handsets entering the market on a daily basis and old ones getting ebay'd, expect the aftermarket Android phone to eventually suck sales out of new stuff. This is what happens when you saturate a product like this.
Apple is in a very god place. Their business model insures self preservation in this volatile mobile game.

A good position, just like Apple was in during the mid 80's? We all know how a cheap OS deployed on several devices worked out for Apple then. Apple has lost the war; I say this as an owner of three iPhones and an iPad, iOS has lost to Android. Over the next few years, we are going to see more 1st releases for Android, continual erosion in the iOS user base, and eventually in the next three to four years it will be relegated to a boutique status.
 
Android?

Haha Android will always win until the iphone comes to Verizon. It is obvious that verizon is enough to keep people from flocking to the iphone. Walled garden indeed. ;)

Even if the iphone will be in verizon, Android will still win. Android still has T-mobile, US Cellular, AT&T and Verizon and maybe more cellular networks. Flooding the market wil really up google's sales. Also, Android = HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, Google, Motorola, etc. and iOS = iPhone only. Not a one is to one competition...

Can we look at competition this way... Android Motorola VS Android HTC VS Android Samsung VS Android Sony, etc... winner wil battle iOS iPhone?

Just like in the computer business. HP VS Acer VS Lenovo VS DELL... then VS Apple.
 
LOL!!! You are so out in left field!
Verizon wanted more control over the iphone and Apple wouldn't budge so the deal went south and Apple went to att.
As for Android, is it one phone company or a coalition of competing celly makers? It is the latter. Android is free and it just piggybacks on a non Apple smart phone market. Period. End of.
The only thing you get when you buy an Android phone is the hardware.
When we Apple fans get an iphone we get the best damn customer service around, a top notch device and a world class media ecosystem no one has been able to beat. Ever!
So take your Android and shove it where only your bootyologist can find it.

When the iPhone was first released there was nothing on Verizon but Get It Now crippled semi-smart phones w. hacked browsers or Blackberry. A lot has changed. Thank you Apple for allowing me to get an awesome phone on a superior network. :p

Droid X + Verizon = <2% dropped calls.;)
 
When we Apple fans get an iphone we get the best damn customer service around, a top notch device and a world class media ecosystem no one has been able to beat. Ever!
So take your Android and shove it where only your bootyologist can find it.

Too bad you don't get a world class network to run that phone on or a properly engineered antenna.

You are probably one of the people that claimed Android would never take off and now are just upset that it is experiencing record growth. I don't know why iPhone fans get upset though. All it does is create a drive for all of the companies involved to keep innovating.
 
And only counts those who have not owned a smartphone before.

Kinda skewed if you ask me

I agree. I recall that about 2/3 of the early iPhone 4 sales were to prior iPhone owners. Those sales were in Q2 and should have been counted. Apple's challenge is to get beyond the niche that already loves what they do, and sell to others. I think that situation is a consequence of Steve Jobs philosophy of selling what he likes. Those that agree with him will buy the product. The rest (a majority) will buy something else if it better matches their needs.
 
Worth noting is a new report by NetMarketShare, an analytics organization that measures market share of mobile devices by web use. Their study of the past month shows that the the iPhone grew usage share at over twice the pace of Android. For details, see:

http://www.netmarketshare.com/opera...hone&sample=34&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=115&qpnp=25

To summarize: More Android phones sold in past 6 months than iPhones, but iPhone still more appealing than Android to browse with (and, if the analogy holds, to use in general).

Plus the study in the article is so useless (6 months, not one year? no iPhone4 numbers? Multiple carriers vs 1 Carrier? No non-phone devices?). It paints a distorted picture to show a meaningless statistic for ad-word boostage.

As soon as Apple releases iPhone on a competing network in the US, or as soon as Win7Phone comes out, Android stats are going to take a huge hit. Both of these are happening in the near future.
 
Even if the iphone will be in verizon, Android will still win.

At this point, I have my doubts about iphone coming to VZW. What's the point? It would compete directly with it's own Droid branded phones that have been promoted so heavily. That's a lot of investment to throw away.

Who knows though... maybe iphone will come to VZW, but VZW will always give Droid preferential treatment. One thing is for sure though, Apple can never be #1 in the US without VZW.
 
Just like in the computer business. HP VS Acer VS Lenovo VS DELL... then VS Apple.

Ah, you mean a bunch of hardware manufacturers beating the crap out of each other to sell high-volume low-margin hardware while their OS overlords sit back and count the cash?

Yeah, I think you're right - the Android business is going to be just like the Windows computer business. ;)
 
Even if the iphone will be in verizon, Android will still win. Android still has T-mobile, US Cellular, AT&T and Verizon and maybe more cellular networks. Flooding the market wil really up google's sales. Also, Android = HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, Google, Motorola, etc. and iOS = iPhone only. Not a one is to one competition...

Can we look at competition this way... Android Motorola VS Android HTC VS Android Samsung VS Android Sony, etc... winner wil battle iOS iPhone?

Just like in the computer business. HP VS Acer VS Lenovo VS DELL... then VS Apple.

In the future... Android (phone makers) VS Windows Mobile 7 (phone makers)... then VS iOS (iPhone).
 
Android FTW!

I bought an iPhone 3g on the release day and used it for about 2 months and decided it was overrated. Not to mention the plan itself was almost $100 a month! I passed it on to my girlfriend who has been pretty happy with it. But me? I chose to live with a Blackberry Curve for the past couple of years. But just recently I picked up a Samsung Galaxy S on the T-Mobile network. There are some things I don't like about it but there are far more things that I LOVE about it. And my new plan is only $65 with tax every month (500 min, unlimited txt/data/nights&weekends). Oh, and I'll probably end up switching to a data only plan (cheaper) seeing how I can make UNLIMITED calls for FREE with my Google voice app, something AT&T doesn't want their iPhone users to be able to do.

I love my Android phone.
 
Ah, you mean a bunch of hardware manufacturers beating the crap out of each other to sell high-volume low-margin hardware while their OS overlords sit back and count the cash?

Yeah, I think you're right - the Android business is going to be just like the Windows computer business. ;)

As opposed to ONE hardware manufacturer/OS overlord who sits back and counts the cash?

At least in high volume low margin model consumers end up getting faster hardware at lower prices. As a consumer, I'd much rather get more for my $$ than making a rich corporation even richer by paying for overpriced hardware.
 
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