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This is awesome for Google!!

.. or is it?

They are gaining some market share with that OS for sure, but how are they monetizing on that? Is it just for PR? Showing graphs with your color surging faster than the competition is cool I guess.

I wish I had a free operating system to give away. ;)
 
If that logic is true then why isn't Linux completely owning Windows and Mac OSX again?

Not sure. Maybe marketing and OEM installation has a little effect on market share as well?;)

Google is taking the Windows path when it comes to their OS. Apple is taking the path they always take with their products. Apple does what works for them and that's pretty much that. There isn't really anything wrong with it and it works for them, but you won't end up owning the market in the end.

Choice in the end will always win with the consumer.
 
Blame the AT&T contract for this...

This is awesome for Google!!

.. or is it?

They are gaining some market share with that OS for sure, but how are they monetizing on that? Is it just for PR? Showing graphs with your color surging faster than the competition is cool I guess.

I wish I had a free operating system to give away. ;)

This is incredibly good for Google because of market saturation coming to play.

If Apple would have released their phone on more cellular networks a year ago, I'd bet the graphs would be a taaaaad different!

Even though there will be a day where there is a Verizon iPhone, T-Mobile, etc, etc... Apple still could have even killed the release of the Android OS phones by being on other carriers then just AT&T. But now, there will be Android fan boyz for life...

Androids App Store is getting bigger & better. Yes, Android is just an OS & gets manufactured by other firms and you can say it is hard to compare with the Apple iPhone that is the same manufacturer of hardware & software, etc, etc.

But, Apple really could have squashed there competition if they weren't trapped with AT&T. They would have spurred even more millions/billions and would have hurt the market saturation gains that you see from Android. Google(Android) went right after what an iPhone is - intuitive touchscreen, great mobile web browsing, an app store, etc, etc.

I fully believe Apple blew it with the AT&T relationship. They could have come close to saturating the touchsreen smartphone market like the iPod is for MP3s. Maybe not close, but they would do real damage!!!

Android will be there #1 competitor for years to come...
 
But, Apple really could have squashed there competition if they weren't trapped with AT&T.

I fully believe Apple blew it with the AT&T relationship. They could have come close to saturating the touchsreen smartphone market like the iPod is for MP3s. Maybe not close, but they would do real damage!!!

Android will be there #1 competitor for years to come...

I don't see Apple expanding past AT&T anytime soon. We have all heard the rumors, but I think a deal with other carriers is possibly years away. Steve won't budge on his love for AT&T just like he won't budge on his hate for Blu-ray. He is the kind of person that won't change his mind unless he is backed into a corner and forced to. I probably would have never even tried an Android phone if the iPhone would have been available on Verizon. Anyhow so far I am completely satisfied and plan to replace my Droid with another Android phone.
 
I for one enjoy the fact that I don't get viruses, porn, ripoff apps, security phishers etc. on my phone, I LIKE the fact that Apple pre-approves apps. The signal issue is moot if you haven't checked; but either way, no company over the last 25 years has treated me BETTER than Apple.

Good for you! The virus is a matter of time and every Apple Store that I have been to sells some Virus protection. Norton makes one - so much about the "ripoff apps" that you mention.

The signal issue is not a moot anymore. Apple accepted it and there is no news outlet, television channel or tech blog that denies it. Only some weird people do on some Mac-related forums.

If you don't get porn on your Mac, there is a problem. Porn is not platform related and all Mac-compatible web browsers support the most common technologies that porn sites use.

It seems, that millions of people have issues with Apple's pre-approved apps.
 
I don't see Apple expanding past AT&T anytime soon. We have all heard the rumors, but I think a deal with other carriers is possibly years away. Steve won't budge on his love for AT&T just like he won't budge on his hate for Blu-ray. He is the kind of person that won't change his mind unless he is backed into a corner and forced to. I probably would have never even tried an Android phone if the iPhone would have been available on Verizon. Anyhow so far I am completely satisfied and plan to replace my Droid with another Android phone.

Too much money to be had. >>> That will entice Steve & the shareholders.

AT&T is not cutting it and will not surpass Verizon's network infrastructure. >>> He went to Verizon first in 2006 before AT&T to get a sole contract - Steve knows Verizon is the best cellular network in the states.

Verizon will be the first network to introduce LTE within 18 months. >>> entice Steve even more...

I truly think the mere fact that Apple makes so much money outside of the US with iPhone sales plays a huge part of this sole contract besides the ones above... Apple doesn't care about US of A as much as we think... :cool:
 
This study they did does not compare the most of the data for Iphone 4 so it starts off scued. Not to mention, this comparison is like a race between one runner vs a relay team w/ 8 different runners on it... Corny analogy I know... but they are basically comparing Apples (no pun intended) to oranges. Not fair to compare the Iphone (one handset) to multiple handset on Android. Would be great to see a realistic sales comparison between the Iphone and the EVO, or the Iphone and each of the Droids. Just does not compare. Better yet, why not compare all the devices using IOS4 to Android Millions of Iphones, Millions of Ipads, Millions of IPods? Scary....I am sure they just don't want to see those numbers 'cause then there would be no story. Nothing to study or write about. Android would be dwarfed by the numbers. Not a fanboy just taking a realistic look at this.

Better yet, why not compare the time the OS's have been around. Apple had almost a year and a half head start before the first Android based HTC hit the market in Nov. 2008. Pretty amazing statistic considering the amount of different devices now running Android OS less than two years later. When Android tablets start hitting the market it'll really rock Steve-o's world.
 
Am I missing something?
first time smart-phone buyers, and not counting iPhone4, vs android?? Because ah, you know apple can't keep a iPhone4 in stock.... they are selling as fast as they can make them...
 
Yes and mactards keep buying the same product, iphone, each year :rolleyes:;)

Oh, and let's not forgot that Android phones are available on various promotions (depending on when you buy) for deals like "free w/ 2 year activation" or BOGO.

If the iPhone were available at the kind of deals Verizon offers, the floodgates would really open.
 
Yes and mactards keep buying the same product, iphone, each year :rolleyes:;)
I had an Android last year. I had it get it replaced twice within 1 month. My brother just got the Incredible 3 months ago, he's on his 3rd replacement. His buddy has one and he's on his 2nd replacement.

I switched to iPhone 3GS at the start of the year, not 1 single problem. I bought the iPhone 4 and not one problem yet. Everyone I know who has an iPhone is in the same boat.

You're right, I have no idea why I keep buying iPhones.
 
Who cares?

When an Android device (1 release) can sell at least 1 million at launch then, write a report about that.

You mean ASIDE from the Evo, the Incredible, and the Droid X, which all got sold out and back ordered on their first days?



And can we be realistic here? There's 5 iOS devices... just 2 new ones. I'm sure the stats of OS users ALSO incorporate the original iPhone, the 3g, 3gs, 4, and iPad. So quit claiming "1 phone vs 100"




And I have an iPhone, so you can't claim Android bias on my behalf.
 
I don't see Apple expanding past AT&T anytime soon. We have all heard the rumors, but I think a deal with other carriers is possibly years away. Steve won't budge on his love for AT&T just like he won't budge on his hate for Blu-ray. He is the kind of person that won't change his mind unless he is backed into a corner and forced to. I probably would have never even tried an Android phone if the iPhone would have been available on Verizon. Anyhow so far I am completely satisfied and plan to replace my Droid with another Android phone.

I think it's more a case of Apple being locked into a multi-year exclusivity contract with AT&T they can't get out of. Where they didn't make the same deals internationally, Apple has been entering into contracts with pretty much anyone and everyone to get handsets to as many customers as possible. Of course he's not going to openly admit Apple screwed up their carrier deal in the US.
 
Am I missing something?
first time smart-phone buyers, and not counting iPhone4, vs android?? Because ah, you know apple can't keep a iPhone4 in stock.... they are selling as fast as they can make them...

And? Apple has never managed to sell more than 13 million iPhones in a quarter. Android is currently on a pace to sell 15-20 million phones per quarter. And Apple only has a strong 3Q when the the new phone is released and then going way down (like last year: 12M in Q3/09, 9M in Q4, 8.5M in Q1, 8M in Q2), while Android is selling more phones every quarter (4M in Q4, 6M in Q1, 10M in Q2, and will be around 16M in Q3 now).

It's not the fault of Google that Apple only releases one phone per year and currently also loses the specs battle (while the iPhone4 only uses a 833MHz CPU, the Android phones currently use 1GHZ CPUs and will use 1.3GHz with the new HTC phone in September; also the iPhone4 still has the same GPU that the 3GS already had, while the new Android and even Nokia phones (N8) use a GPU that is up to 5 times faster).
 
Flash is not the real web, it is the bloated augmented web.

Ah, but it is, for most of the desktop world.

And now, with Android, Flash will be on most mobile devices, too.

Let's see who still spends money on mobile sites in a year... To me, that's a good thing.

And I have a 3GS for sale.
 
I'm sure the stats of OS users ALSO incorporate the original iPhone, the 3g, 3gs, 4, and iPad.

The other current MacRumors news thread right now includes the iPad in the 'portable computer' global market, not the 'smartphone' market.

A million+ 3G iPads sold in the US in the first weekend alone (and 8-10 million more now, assume half are 3G, so add another 4-5 millon) severely skews the numbers one way or the other in both markets. The arbitrary designation of measuring OS market share only on 'smartphones' needs to be questioned in my opinion.

Why only count smartphones in these mobile OS surveys and not PDAs and tablets? The *one* thing about a device where the OS makes not a whit of difference is actually when making phone calls. The OS is all about the apps and data usage for web browsing and emailing etc, not about making phone calls. Every phone ever made on the planet since Thomas Edison can make phone calls, so why is this the deciding criteria for devices included in these surveys of OS's? They're not even 'telecommunications' surveys because again, why aren't 3G iPads included?
 
And? Apple has never managed to sell more than 13 million iPhones in a quarter. Android is currently on a pace to sell 15-20 million phones per quarter. And Apple only has a strong 3Q when the the new phone is released and then going way down (like last year: 12M in Q3/09, 9M in Q4, 8.5M in Q1, 8M in Q2), while Android is selling more phones every quarter (4M in Q4, 6M in Q1, 10M in Q2, and will be around 16M in Q3 now).

It's not the fault of Google that Apple only releases one phone per year and currently also loses the specs battle (while the iPhone4 only uses a 833MHz CPU, the Android phones currently use 1GHZ CPUs and will use 1.3GHz with the new HTC phone in September; also the iPhone4 still has the same GPU that the 3GS already had, while the new Android and even Nokia phones (N8) use a GPU that is up to 5 times faster).

Is there any single hardware maker other than apple selling 13 million smartphones of a particular model in one quarter?

the "specs battle" is meaningless for the public since most people looking at smartphones are shopping for software features, not for ram and ghz meaningless specs.

Another point the android fanz forget is that cell phones are not pc's. Most handsets are locked with 2-3 year contracts making it very difficult for customers to migrate to the latest and greatest android or iphone handsets. That alone distorts competition. Android adoption is being mostly driven by the carriers promotions to get people to buy phones with data plans, since voice minutes offerings are too plentiful and not enough to retain customers. They saw how ATT profited massively from iPhone subscribers, and didn't have any comparable handset. That's the real reason behind the push for smartphones. The market is saturated with phones and most people are locked into contracts. The only way to grow profits is by making people pay more for their monthly bill.. hence the push to sell many phones designed to consume data, which just happens to be handsets powered by android since it's the only serious alternative at this moment available for handset makers...until Microsoft delivers their new mobile OS.

The biggest competitor to Google is Microsoft, not Apple. Microsoft will be competing directly against Google by offering licensing of the new windows mobile OS to the same Android makers (HTC, Motorola, LG, Sansung etc etc) and offering way better integration into the dominant MS business and messaging platform( office, exchange etc)
 
Apple, with their total disregard for the customer has done this. They give us a walled garden,no ability to transfer/sell apps, defective equipment that loses signal when held to the point of affecting the call, and moral approval of apps and their content.

I think the people is waking up here, and they don't like the dystopian future that the Apple iOS ecosystem is heralding.

See you then,... oh, and its the people ARE waking up. I guess you're also against proper education?
 
Is there any single hardware maker other than apple selling 13 million smartphones of a particular model in one quarter?

the "specs battle" is meaningless for the public since most people looking at smartphones are shopping for software features, not for ram and ghz meaningless specs.

True. Software features, such as quality and versatility of apps, depends on the market share of the OS.
 
Why only count smartphones in these mobile OS surveys and not PDAs and tablets? The *one* thing about a device where the OS makes not a whit of difference is actually when making phone calls. The OS is all about the apps and data usage for web browsing and emailing etc, not about making phone calls. Every phone ever made on the planet since Thomas Edison can make phone calls, so why is this the deciding criteria for devices included in these surveys of OS's? They're not even 'telecommunications' surveys because again, why aren't 3G iPads included?

Because if you include tablets then you have to include laptops.
 
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