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mozumder said:
So, no free speech then? Got it.
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If you think free speech means being able to say whatever you want publicly about the company/CEO you work for, while remaining employed at that company and paid by that person, I almost don't know what to say.

The guy wasn't banned from Twitter or stopped from speaking. He was fired from Twitter. He has no right to work at Twitter if Twitter doesn't want him there.
 
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All the Musk critics have apparently departed the real world, are choosing to misinterpret what freedom of speech means, and have no knowledge of the code base and presume to lecture Musk and other engineers who’ve examined the code
 
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wankey said:
His dream of twitter is a town hall where you can come say whatever you want.

This guy works with him, clearly isn't professional, so he fired him. He is free to work anywhere in the world, just not at a place he owns.

He didn't censor him, he didn't delete him, he just chose that this guy isn't a team player at his company.

Wtf does that have to do anything about free speech? If you say **** I don't like, and I PAY YOU, then I'm firing your ass, you can go say the same stuff at someone else's place.
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I agree with you that free speech isn’t at play here. However, when Musk has made his case about free speech, he has pounded on the importance of tolerance for things we disagree with and don’t like to hear. Musks behavior doesn’t reflect that ideal at all. He doesn’t at all live up to some of his own basis for free speech, for which he, according to himself, bought Twitter for in the first place. For that very reason, I would also give Frohnhoefer some slack here. Musk has been very clear about his ideals and thoughts about human discourse, and he is clearly way to thin skinned to live up to those, which wouldn’t be something to assume.

The way Musk called Frohnhoefer out in his reply and later, also on Twitter, made the firing official, makes me think that Musk doesn’t care much about professionalism either, so it is hard to see that that played a role (which would be valid). It seems to be more about hurt feelings and power play.

He may be well within his rights (to do the firing), although it come across as both pity and, in my estimation, dumb.
 
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teh_hunterer said:
Care to suggest which CEO of major tech companies (past Twitter, Facebook, Apple, Google, etc) would tolerate an employee arguing with them publicly on Twitter?
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Epic own. You really got me, especially considering that earlier I stated directly that Musk was within his rights to fire Frohnhoefer.

Those CEOs, like any competent executive, wouldn’t intentionally start public drama over their products and services in the first place.

Absent Musk’s (badly misinformed) tweet, Frohnhoefer would have had nothing to respond to publicly.

ETA: The comment to which you were replying wasn’t directly aimed at this situation. Reporting on Musk’s management style indicates that Frohnhoefer would likely have been fired for disagreeing with Musk. That applies whether he did so publicly or privately, whether in the respectful, constructive, product-focused tone he did or if he had tweeted out “I think Elon Musk is a stupid dumb dumb little man who’s failed up his entire life generally through luck, distraction, and deceit, and has no clue what the **** kind of hole he’s dug himself into because nobody close to him is willing to tell him no.”
 
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jonblatho said:
Epic own. You really got me, especially considering that earlier I stated directly that Musk was within his rights to fire Frohnhoefer.

Those CEOs, like any competent executive, wouldn’t intentionally start public drama over their products and services in the first place.

Absent Musk’s (badly misinformed) tweet, Frohnhoefer would have had nothing to respond to publicly.
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Can you reasonably point to any such CEO that would tolerate that behaviour from their employees? Expecting your employees not to argue with you publicly isn't expecting 'total fealty' and anyone in any serious position at any serious company could tell you that.
 
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teh_hunterer said:
Can you reasonably point to any such CEO that would tolerate that behaviour from their employees? Expecting your employees not to argue with you publicly isn't expecting 'total fealty' and anyone in any serious position at any serious company could tell you that.
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That would be a fantastic reply if that was what the person to whom I was replying was saying.
 
> fires significant chunks of engineering, product, management, and executive staff, sometimes liquidating whole departments
> thinks it’s still meaningful to say “no one knows” why some features exist
 
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Given the current mess at Twitter, getting fired may have been the better alternative compared to staying and having to shovel crap every single day. My guess - the engineer made those comments he did knowing fully well the consequences and he was prepared for them either way.
 
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NPC Compliant said:
All the Musk critics have apparently departed the real world, are choosing to misinterpret what freedom of speech means, and have no knowledge of the code base and presume to lecture Musk and other engineers who’ve examined the code
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Ah yes, an engineer who's worked on Twitter's code for 6 years has no knowledge of the codebase but Musk stepped in a couple weeks back and knows it all. Comical.

Let me guess, you paid the $8 to help prop up Musk’s failing gambit for a few more days.
 
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The thing I am so glad I never got involved with twitter in the first place. The easiest thing for folks is if you disagree with all this nonsense is leave twitter
 
contacos said:
My boss isn’t a holy spirit. If he’s wrong he’s wrong and I tell it to his face and he’s happy to be corrected. Thats how a good work relationship should work. I wouldn’t even let my mother talk down on me as a grown ass person
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Exactly. Real leaders don't piss on employees, but instead foster a relationship of mutual respect.
 
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Musk is surprised that "no one" knows why a feature was added because he already forgot he fired half of the company. What does that tell you about him?

No one left at the company knows why the feature was added.
 
contacos said:
He was also just pissing on his engineers and then fired a guy for pointing out he was wrong.

Free Speech my A$$ I guess.
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Free speech has always been protected under the law. That doesn't prevent your boss from firing you after you shout the f-bomb at him during a presentation.

Bad take.
 
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contacos said:
My boss isn’t a holy spirit. If he’s wrong he’s wrong and I tell it to his face and he’s happy to be corrected. Thats how a good work relationship should work. I wouldn’t even let my mother talk down on me as a grown ass person
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guaranteed you'd get fired if you shout "go f yourself" at your boss.
 
And the whole marketing people and brand ambassadors rejoice. 🤣

No fun anymore picking out the marketing hypocrisy.
 
contacos said:
He was also just pissing on his engineers and then fired a guy for pointing out he was wrong.

Free Speech my A$$ I guess.
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You honestly think you can say whatever you want if you work for a company. It’s not even legal to say certain things, such as inside information.
 
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jonblatho said:
Ah yes, an engineer who's worked on Twitter's code for 6 years has no knowledge of the codebase but Musk stepped in a couple weeks back and knows it all. Comical.

Let me guess, you paid the $8 to help prop up Musk’s failing gambit for a few more days.
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Who, by his own admission, can’t remember the number of calls made, and has been assessed to be wrong by a throng of engineers they have read through the code, and answer to Musk. My previous post stands, and your response just reinforces it
 
teh_hunterer said:
And you sound like a bad employee, who would probably have a history of being fired if your actions in real life actually followed your claims here.
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Nope, going 7 years strong. Survived 2 Managing Directors and my feedback is greatly appreciated from the CEO in our monthly C-Level meeting. I can't imagine anything worse than working in a work environment where you have to be scared of being fired for simply having an opinion. Maybe it's also a cultural thing (assuming you are US American).
It's not so easy to fire someone here and if you do get fired, you usually end up with 3/6 months of salary depending on your contract (and notice period) after being let go so it "could be worse".
 
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It was obvious created to help promote the Twitter apps. But it's 2022, everyone knows about the Twitter app now and even non Twitter users probably think of the app as the main Twitter experience.
 
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