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My boss isn’t a holy spirit. If he’s wrong he’s wrong and I tell it to his face and he’s happy to be corrected. Thats how a good work relationship should work. I wouldn’t even let my mother talk down on me as a grown ass person

I think that is the difference, you would tell them to their face, you wouldn't blast it over the internet. Big difference.
 
If he was so invested in the problem, he should have communicated with Musk internally/directly.

Taking it public, potentially embarrassing Musk, is just straight up unprofessional. Terminating his employment was the right thing to do.
First of all, that doesn’t answer my question: Where’s the public insult to Elon Musk?

Second, who exactly forced Elon Musk to be publicly wrong? He could (read: should) have made an effort to raise the issue privately to relevant staff and learn the relevant facts on the perceived issue before firing off his mouth on Twitter to tens of millions of (for some reason) rabid followers. Then this whole sh*tstorm would have never happened.

I’m a developer on a very small team, and there are occasionally problems with our work that come to the attention of my boss, who is not a developer. When that happens, she discusses the issue with us privately and we come to an agreement, based on our priorities, on whether/when/how to address the issue. As far as I know, she has never logged onto Twitter dot com to crap on our work before, during, or after those discussions. Accordingly, I have never felt a need to address work issues on social media either.

Granted, I also have the great fortune of a healthy working environment where constructive criticism — both to and from leadership — is encouraged because none of us have egos so overgrown that we need to surround ourselves solely with yes men.
 
Free speech means less censorship. It doesn't mean no consequences for speech.

Why is it so hard to comprehend?
Censorship is a form of consequences for speech.
Why is it so hard to understand?
Free speech fundamentally doesn’t exist. What exist is an Environment that promotes free-er speech compared to draconian measure to limit the speech Or shut people down.
Or do you think USA doesn’t have its own censorship laws in place?
 
I tried using Mastadon, but it’s confusing. I am sticking with Twitter for the time being. I ultimately suspect Elon is gonna resell it at a loss, either Snap Inc, Bytedance or wait for it…Meta. I actually think it would thrive under Meta. The first thing Zuckerberg would do is hire back all the employees and restore all the features.
Who in their right mind would buy Twitter? I think this is going to be a case of sink or swim. And the industry will watch gleefully as they introduce alternatives to supplant it.
 
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That’s not how the hierarchy works. The CEO - and in this case the owner - can bring to the public whatever he wants. An employee can’t, especially if such employee is using his employment to write the public communication.
LOL. No a CEO can’t bring to the public what ever he wants. They work for the board of directors…. Oh wait I guess in this case he is CEO in name only. As sole director that basically makes this a privately held entity with absolutely no accountability to share holders. He can do what ever the hell he wants. Even if it’s the most stupid and immature thing in the world.

Any employee in their right mind would jump ship. Frankly I think it would be awesome and hilarious if the entire workforce went on strike to protest his handling of things.
 
First of all, that doesn’t answer my question: Where’s the public insult to Elon Musk?

Second, who exactly forced Elon Musk to be publicly wrong? He could (read: should) have made an effort to raise the issue privately to relevant staff and learn the relevant facts on the perceived issue before firing off his mouth on Twitter to tens of millions of (for some reason) rabid followers. Then this whole sh*tstorm would have never happened.

I’m a developer on a very small team, and there are occasionally problems with our work that come to the attention of my boss, who is not a developer. When that happens, she discusses the issue with us privately and we come to an agreement, based on our priorities, on whether/when/how to address the issue. As far as I know, she has never logged onto Twitter dot com to crap on our work before, during, or after those discussions. Accordingly, I have never felt a need to address work issues on social media either.

Granted, I also have the great fortune of a healthy working environment where constructive criticism — both to and from leadership — is encouraged because none of us have egos so overgrown that we need to surround ourselves solely with yes men.

As I said previously thanks for the clarification.

In the end the employee decided to take it public, which is unprofessional and *might* even be at odds with his employment agreement. Musk, reacted, as is his right. End of story.
 
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No competent company is going to hire an engineer that will disparage company executives on Twitter. That alone is grounds for termination.

I work for a fortune 100 company and if an executive went on a public forum to reprimand any employee BY NAME the one who would be out would be the executive. As for the engineer who CORRECTED him, I would float him an offer today.
 
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Elon needs to stop and take a deep breathe. He’s too excited and he’s just breaking everything. He still hasnt even gotten rid of the bots which I thought he said he’d do.
 
As I said previously thanks for the clarification.

In the end the employee decided to take it public, which is unprofessional and *might* even be at odds with his employment agreement. Musk, reacted, as is his right. End of story.

Elon made it public from the start, not the employee, so your post is a lie.
 
Not sure firing him for those comments was the right thing to do, but I'm not surprised in the least. The engineer is smart enough to know that every action has a consequence and the moment he hit the send button he lost control over his future at Twitter. These days, folks need to invest in classes that teach you when and how to SHUT UP!

I don't know either. And am not surprised with the outcome.
 
So true. When I was sent to Korea for a couple of weeks I decided very quickly I didn't like Korean food too much, luckily I found a TGI Fridays just down the street from my hotel. I was a little worried my Korean boss would see my expense report and be mad.
LOL I’m dying here but I totally understand. 🤣 hahaha
 
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Any employee in their right mind would jump ship. Frankly I think it would be awesome and hilarious if the entire workforce went on strike to protest his handling of things.
I wouldn’t be surprised that the second half Elon hasn’t fired yet leaves twitter in droves in spite, leaving Elon with a company that has no employee to Work with. Would be hilarious if it ends up happening tho.
 
I work for a fortune 100 company and if an executive went on a public forum to reprimand any employee BY NAME the one who would be out would be the executive. As for the engineer who CORRECTED him, I would float him an offer today.

Musk didn't reprimand the guy by name. The guy chose to pick a fight with Musk. So I'm glad you don't know the facts of the situation but felt the urge to comment anyway.
 
My guess is that there is still some people left at Twitter that could tell him why that line was added to the screen. However, they might be too afraid to tell him. That's what has happened throughout history when subordinates are made to be fearful of speaking candidly to their bosses. Whatever happens to the line is of no consequence to me.
 
As I said previously thanks for the clarification.

In the end the employee decided to take it public, which is unprofessional and *might* even be at odds with his employment agreement. Musk, reacted, as is his right. End of story.
Aside from a few folks who don’t know what they’re talking about in the replies to Frohnhoefer, I haven’t seen many people claiming Musk was fully out of bounds for firing Frohnhoefer.

The thing is... it’s not always the case, but multiple sides can be partially correct or incorrect in a conflict. As such:
  • Musk shouldn’t have crapped on his employees’ work on social media at all, but definitely not based on falsehoods without having discussed the matter with them first.
  • Frohnhoefer shouldn’t have responded publicly but instead used internal channels. (For the record, we don’t definitively know that he didn’t do this, but we’ll assume that the public response was the first.)
  • Musk was within his rights to fire Frohnhoefer for responding publicly with potentially protected information. Other options for remediation existed, too.
  • Considering reports regarding Musk’s management style, Frohnhoefer likely would have been fired either way merely for disagreeing with Musk’s pet issue du jour, regardless of tone or medium. That likely changed Frohnhoefer’s decision making to some degree.
  • Twitter has lost an engineer with years of direct experience working on a struggling product and good ideas to improve it, and it will likely struggle to replace him well. Conversely, Frohnhoefer will most likely be fine as he searches for new, stable employment.
End of story.
 
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