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Mistake is your arrival at such conclusion. @Quu didn't say that "any other way" of doing things is a mistake, he mentioned exactly things he believes are mistakes.

No, other than the online-only launch comment, he mentioned things that Apple has done in the past and said not doing those things was a mistake. Indeed, the only online-only launch comment is in the same vein as it implies that not doing the previously done simultanious online and in-store launches is a mistake.

I'm not saying I like the direction Apple is headed in, but I can't fault them for trying something different (and hopefully learning a lesson when those differnt ideas don't work out). I just think looking at the past and insisting things continue to be done in the same way forever is worse.
 
True. The problem is lots of "know it all" posters here w/ no knowledge of how hierarchical organizations function. In this case the AA blamers actually believe head of retail operations means President and CEO of Apple and the rest of the senior executive staff are unused test dummies from Mythbusters.

I think it might be the case that they think he other senior exec members are awesome cause when they worked with jobs everything was fantastic. So I can see why they would blame the new person, though in my opion I think apples senior execs are struggling without the jobs effect.

AA is doing fine in my opinion. People forget the previous two guys were invisible and useless, hence got replaced....
 
I think it might be the case that they think he other senior exec members are awesome cause when they worked with jobs everything was fantastic. So I can see why they would blame the new person, though in my opion I think apples senior execs are struggling without the jobs effect.

Either way, your hypothesis or mine, it's a display of ignorance for people to post criticisms of AA which are unmindful that she has other colleagues managing the supply chain and general marketing, as well as a boss which she reports to and takes "marching orders."
 
True. The problem is lots of "know it all" posters here w/ no knowledge of how hierarchical organizations function. In this case the AA blamers actually believe head of retail operations means President and CEO of Apple and the rest of the senior executive staff are unused test dummies from Mythbusters.

You know, I always wondered what happened to Surplus Test Dummies. On a serious note, your going to actually take the position that Tim has been acting as a CEO since Steve's resignation? IMO, Tim continues to function as a COO. Any supply chain issues are squarely on his shoulders. He has no vision for Apple. Apple no longer has a soul. Tim is beholden to Apple Shareholders, period. As a previous post explained, AA can only "Polish a turd so much." Most people actually believe Apple Music was for Apple to enter the Streaming Market. When in fact it was designed to breath another 10 years of life into the dying iPod. Which it will considering the initial sales I have seen. All at that 38% margin, probably 40% for the 128g.

Anyway, it's up to Ives and Newsome now. They need to innovate with a vision that syncs with the ability to function as intended. :apple:
 
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Because with the gift card they used to give you, you could purchase anything to your heart's content. A $120 Apple Music subscription is great, but not everybody wants to be forced to be subscribed to it.
Because with the gift card they used to give you, you could purchase anything to your heart's content. A $120 Apple Music subscription is great, but not everybody wants to be forced to be subscribed to it.
I agree with your first point, but just because you are given a subscription does not mean you are forced to actually subscribe.
 
If you don't want other people involving themselves in your discussion, don't post on a public forum. ;)

So you've graduated from female engineer all the way to pop psychologist? Knock yourself out. And since you seem to be bothered by my posts (and those of others who oppose your "I am woman, hear me roar" mantra, feel free to ignore them (or put me on your "ignore" list).

'Millitant' is such a bizarre choice of word, because my response was nothing of the sort. I also did not state that I had been on the receiving end of any sexism myself - merely pointed out that I have seen it happen. Trying to destabilise my argument by assuming that I'm running around screaming 'sexist!' whenever a man opens a door for me isn't exactly proving your supposed tolerance of diversity within your workplace.

So rather than being a gesture of human decency, you're saying that holding the door for another human being, regardless of gender, is a "sexist" act?

Try reading some scientific research papers on unconscious bias, because it is real. However non-sexist and non-racist everyone claims to be, they have preferences that they are not even aware of that are detrimental to ethnic minorities and women. The discrimination faced by women in my profession is so prevalent that there is a whole organisation (Athena SWAN) that has been set up to try and combat the bias seen in STEM careers.

Unconscious bias? I find it immensely interesting that only those "victims" of the perceived bias point out stuff like this. Only those who persecute women engineers are guilty of these biases?

I cannot speak for everyone at my company in every location around the globe. However, I am friends with and often associate after hours with those on my work team on my account - about half of whom are females. We've talked about almost everything you can imagine over the course of my 25+ years in the business. I don't hear any comments about sexism, I don't see any sexism (aside from the previously mention act of holding a door open for a colleague).

Just because I have not seen the behavior doesn't mean that it doesn't occur. But not having seen/heard the behavior in over 25 years of working closely with female colleagues in tech field makes it seem as a non-issue to me. It certainly is NOT the big issue that you are trying to make it out to be.

Regarding "Athena SWAN" - I know nothing of it, its purpose or its agenda. But just because there's "a whole organisation" to combat bias against something means nothing. If you don't believe me, check out NAMBLA.

I am not saying that Angela has done a stellar job; in my opinion she hasn't. What I am saying is that some of the criticism she is facing isn't justified.

Again, she should not be criticized for her gender - but rather for her performance.
 
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Either way, your hypothesis or mine, it's a display of ignorance for people to post criticisms of AA which are unmindful that she has other colleagues managing the supply chain and general marketing, as well as a boss which she reports to and takes "marching orders."

Well put, Agree with this.
 
Are you not shooting the messenger though? At least with her videos she is communicating with retail staff, they are not required be quality productions. The return to school promotion is not her decision, she will communicate it once it's finalised.

This is a poor metaphor because it's not about the message. A little known fact about messengers... if they don't deliver messages, it's best practice to shoot them.

It seems that everyone seems to agree that the decision has been made months ago. She did not deliver the message to retail staff or customers. And now she is delaying the delivery of said message. So it's the middle of summer and no one in retail knows what's going on.

In terms of retail, the watch setup in the stores was well implemented, the supply was a joke, not her fault.

I just think people are taking out thier frustration on the wrong person, cause unlike the last bloke she is actually communicating.

I believe she could have sold a lot more watches on hype and pre-sales. It's not like there aren't other product delays in Apple's history. They delayed anyway, so if they just communicated the delay better it would have been a bigger roll-out. Someone else made this point already, but I don't want to go to a store and catch the attention of some sales kid and then get a personalized experience. That's way too much hassle for me. Like most consumers, I'm really an emotional buyer, like so many other mac users, I just wanted the shiny thing. If it's going to be a lot of work to get the shiny thing, like when I couldn't buy them online, I get distracted and move onto the next shiny thing. This is how Apple lost my sale to a god awful ugly basis peak, which, sadly is a more useful piece of kit than an apple watch.

One more thing about the retail experience. The Apple watch is clearly confusing which is why Apple feelt the need to set appointments etc... (thus introducing impediments into the buying process for consumers). So what they should have done, in classic Apple fashion, is roll out a limited run of one or two colors, with the band options. Either that or invest heavily in inventory for the pre-launch, because I heard somewhere that they are sitting on some cash...
 
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This is a poor metaphor because it's not about the message. A little known fact about messengers... if they don't deliver messages, it's best practice to shoot them.

It seems that everyone seems to agree that the decision has been made months ago. She did not deliver the message to retail staff or customers. And now she is delaying the delivery of said message. So it's the middle of summer and no one in retail knows what's going on.



I believe she could have sold a lot more watches on hype and pre-sales. It's not like there aren't other product delays in Apple's history. They delayed anyway, so if they just communicated the delay better it would have been a bigger roll-out. Someone else made this point already, but I don't want to go to a store and catch the attention of some sales kid and then get a personalized experience. That's way too much hassle for me. Like most consumers, I'm really an emotional buyer, like so many other mac users, I just wanted the shiny thing. If it's going to be a lot of work to get the shiny thing, like when I couldn't buy them online, I get distracted and move onto the next shiny thing. This is how Apple lost my sale to a god awful ugly basis peak, which, sadly is a more useful piece of kit than an apple watch.

One more thing about the retail experience. The Apple watch is clearly confusing which is why Apple feelt the need to set appointments etc... (thus introducing impediments into the buying process for consumers). So what they should have done, in classic Apple fashion, is roll out a limited run of one or two colors, with the band options. Either that or invest heavily in inventory for the pre-launch, because I heard somewhere that they are sitting on some cash...

It depends on what the message is, if its due to contractual agreements I can see a delay, if its bad news, I can also see apple delaying it. The back to school promotion is not her baby, she is in charge on implementing whatever has been decided? She though has to relay the message to the apple employees who have to face the public.

If AA was reconcilable for the apple watch going up market, and the inventory mess that it created she can wear some blame, though in my opinion the whole thing was a turd, and I think a number of Apple execs need to take blame. Just to clarrify I call it a turd, cause they had try on sessions which were a waste of time as you had to order online and wait months. Who is in charge of supply? Who decided to launch when they were clearly not ready? Though I suspect she might have had something to do with the limited edition..... :) I just think the apple watch launch was a collective FUBAR.
 
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AA is doing fine in my opinion. People forget the previous two guys were invisible and useless, hence got replaced....[/QUOTE]

I believe Ron Johnson left on his own accord to go to JC Pennys and he was the one responsible for bringing up Apple Retail in the beginning. Didn't seem he failed at that.
 
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AA is doing fine in my opinion. People forget the previous two guys were invisible and useless, hence got replaced....

I believe Ron Johnson left on his own accord to go to JC Pennys and he was the one responsible for bringing up Apple Retail in the beginning. Didn't seem he failed at that.[/QUOTE]

my bad, I thought the last two were british.
 
So you've graduated from female engineer all the way to pop psychologist? Knock yourself out. And since you seem to be bothered by my posts (and those of others who oppose your "I am woman, hear me roar" mantra, feel free to ignore them (or put me on your "ignore" list).

Never said I was an engineer, I'm a research scientist. And considering that your post is the only one I've actually replied to, I'm not sure who else I'm supposed to be opposing!

So rather than being a gesture of human decency, you're saying that holding the door for another human being, regardless of gender, is a "sexist" act?

Not sure how you managed to interpret that as the exact opposite of what I said..! I was saying that I am not that sort of person; people who do that are ridiculous. Anyone who doesn't hold the door open for the person behind them (regardless of gender) is just plain rude.

Unconscious bias? I find it immensely interesting that only those "victims" of the perceived bias point out stuff like this. Only those who persecute women engineers are guilty of these biases?

I cannot speak for everyone at my company in every location around the globe. However, I am friends with and often associate after hours with those on my work team on my account - about half of whom are females. We've talked about almost everything you can imagine over the course of my 25+ years in the business. I don't hear any comments about sexism, I don't see any sexism (aside from the previously mention act of holding a door open for a colleague).

Just because I have not seen the behavior doesn't mean that it doesn't occur. But not having seen/heard the behavior in over 25 years of working closely with female colleagues in tech field makes it seem as a non-issue to me. It certainly is NOT the big issue that you are trying to make it out to be.

You work in a different part of the STEM industry to me; it's really great that nobody in your industry has never experienced it, genuinely. But in mine it is commonplace, and I know a number of women who have been forced out of the profession because of it, and I have not been in this industry anywhere near as long as you have been in yours.

These are not the sort of people running around demonising men and generally making a fuss about opening doors. These are capable, intelligent women who have been intentionally sidelines and backed into corners until they had no choice but to leave, simply because there was the possibility that one day they *might* have children, or because their bosses are of an age where they believe that a woman's place is in the home. In these cases the bias isn't even unconscious.

In my field it IS a big issue. It is a really serious issue, and part of the problem is that it is often almost invisible to those who do not experience it. I have never personally experienced homophobia or racism because I'm white and straight, but that doesn't mean I'm going to claim that these problems just don't exist.

Regarding "Athena SWAN" - I know nothing of it, its purpose or its agenda. But just because there's "a whole organisation" to combat bias against something means nothing. If you don't believe me, check out NAMBLA.

It's a UK-wide initiative in scientific institutes and universities to address the high loss of women that occurs post-PhD, amongst other things. In my own organisation a site-wide census showed that the Athena SWAN initiative was genuinely making a difference to peoples' perception of discrimination, and to how they felt that discrimination was being dealt with, and that's good enough to me.

What I want to know, is that do you genuinely think Angela would have attracted a) as much criticism, and b) the same sort of criticism if she were male? I don't think she's done a perfect job, but she's not terrible. She's being blamed for a lot of things that she clearly won't have had anything to do with, and is being called incompetent because of this. I am not so sure that this would happen to a man.
 
my bad, I thought the last two were british.

Ron Johnson was a Jobs choice. Broward was a Tim Cook choice.....Hmmm. Just sayin'[/QUOTE]

I was thinking browett, should not have said last two , but previous one.
 
I don't think the BTS promo is that great, obviously I'll take freebies but I think better deals can be found elsewhere. You do get your student discount 365 days a year from Apple.

I just got a 2015 13" MBA from Best Buy last night for $925 with tax , same model is $999+tax in the Apple store. Best Buy was having a sale and I had a 10% movers coupon I got in the mail when I moved into my new place. I have seen that you can get that coupon without actually moving.

I think if you do a little digging you can find better deals. I'd rather have money off the machine vs a $100 apple store gift card like it was last year.
 
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You know, I always wondered what happened to Surplus Test Dummies. On a serious note, your going to actually take the position that Tim has been acting as a CEO since Steve's resignation? IMO, Tim continues to function as a COO. Any supply chain issues are squarely on his shoulders. He has no vision for Apple. Apple no longer has a soul. Tim is beholden to Apple Shareholders, period. As a previous post explained, AA can only "Polish a turd so much." Most people actually believe Apple Music was for Apple to enter the Streaming Market. When in fact it was designed to breath another 10 years of life into the dying iPod. Which it will considering the initial sales I have seen. All at that 38% margin, probably 40% for the 128g.

Anyway, it's up to Ives and Newsome now. They need to innovate with a vision that syncs with the ability to function as intended. :apple:

Tim's title is his title. I'm not going to take a position that its something different. But I agree w/ you that his performance is unimpressive to say the least. He's been able to churn growth from legacy products, but his own ventures seem unfocused and scattered like grapeshot flung from a cannon; potentially killer ideas but undisciplined execution.

(I don't think Apple Music is meant to revive the iPod. The iPod is an iceberg drifting toward ever warmer waters. Apple Music is meant to keep iTunes from follow its path as purchased music sales slide.)
 
Tim's title is his title. I'm not going to take a position that its something different. But I agree w/ you that his performance is unimpressive to say the least. He's been able to churn growth from legacy products, but his own ventures seem unfocused and scattered like grapeshot flung from a cannon; potentially killer ideas but undisciplined execution.

(I don't think Apple Music is meant to revive the iPod. The iPod is an iceberg drifting toward ever warmer waters. Apple Music is meant to keep iTunes from follow its path as purchased music sales slide.)

Agreed. I still differ on the new iPod/AM. IMO, the market for the new device will be very strong, and driven by Apple Music. If anything the drifting will be slowed significantly.
When I witness iPhone owners my age purchasing the new iPod for their Music and Face Time it tells me some dynamic is changing. Time will tell. :apple:
 
Was wondering when a line like this would some about. FYI, she has three children with her husband and has more than fulfilled her "womanly" duties. Being in her mid-50's, the oven is not warm enough for baking anymore.
It was only a Joke.

I have no problem with women being in any job role. All jobs requires a certain skill set. if a man or a woman have those skills then they are equally able to do that job.
 
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