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Hey, bud. The overall tone online itself refutes your argument. It is extremely condescending bordering since she was hired. Im not just talking about here. Ive heard pretty bad things elsewhere.

Comments about her looks, her tone, her being a supposed bitch, her being confused, etc, etc, etc. Never heard those things about any man, EVER. Seriously, I'm tired about this blindness to how casual sexism is when talking about a female CEO or top exec (sounds a lot like the comments about Clinton...)

When its a man, people comment the actions that clearly have been instituted by the guy (and how they failed) and leave the rest of the failure on the company itself (or other execs).

Considering the massive misogyny in online tech circle, please spare me the defense that this can't possibly be the case; yeah right I've been around online 30 years and can't take any such declaration seriously.

I've been a female engineer since the 1980s (when only 5% of people in computer engineering were female) and let me tell you I've seen a glorious helping of crap from male colleagues over the years; many situations are simply hard to believe they could have happened (yet they did).

There is something really ironic/hypocritical when someone complains about dealing with condescension in their line of work by beginning their response with "Hey, bud," and then going off on a lecture about how they aren't aware how things actually are in the real world..

Also, I don't really care about what the rest of the online community thinks about this person, or what the tone is like. I judge people based on their performance, and all I'm saying is I am not a fan of the performance of this particular hire. In fact, I think she is doing a pretty terrible job. And her record I think shows that.. Unless you want to be the one to enlighten me on what she has really brought to the table here?
 
There is something really ironic/hypocritical when someone complains about dealing with condescension in their line of work by beginning their response with "Hey, bud," and then going off on a lecture about how they aren't aware how things actually are in the real world..

Also, I don't really care about what the rest of the online community thinks about this person, or what the tone is like. I judge people based on their performance, and all I'm saying is I am not a fan of the performance of this particular hire. In fact, I think she is doing a pretty terrible job. And her record I think shows that.. Unless you want to be the one to enlighten me on what she has really brought to the table here?
I'd like to see you even try to do what Angela does.
 
Macbook availability seemed to be limited too. They had no inventory. Tim is the supply chain master. The buck stops with him. He hired her, he meets with her. She didn't pull this out of her hat as a last minute surprise.

Ultimately the buck stops with the CEO but that saying hardly indicates that nobody else can get called on decisions they were directly involved with.
 
Ultimately the buck stops with the CEO but that saying hardly indicates that nobody else can get called on decisions they were directly involved with.

The watch was a radical departure from Apple's usual mode of operation. I don't believe that it was entirely her decision and I believe that Cook knew all the details. And the zero inventory at launch had nothing to do,with her at all. Supply chain is Tim's forte.
 
It's the middle of the summer. Not close to the start of the school semester. Maybe she wanted to delay the program a bit so it tied in more with actual back to school shopping? Or maybe they are working on something better than years' past and it took a little longer? I am going to give her and the retail folks some slack before declaring they've screwed up or it was a mistake to hire her or anything.

We are deep into the back-to-school sales season. In fact, it starts when high school and college graduations occur in the May-June time frame. Previous Apple BTS offers were timed so that they would coincide with this timeframe, as well as freshman orientation sessions that occur on college campuses throughout the summer. College starts on many campuses here in the US as soon as August 17, which is a scant four weeks from now. The signs are pointing to the Apple BTS program being a relic of the past.

One more comment on the Apple BTS program: all of the criticism directed at AA and the Retail team for the lack of a repeat appearance by the program is inappropriate. The Apple BTS program was created each year by Apple's Marketing team with the consultation of the EDU, AOS, and Retail channels, not just the Retail team. BTS was a global marketing program used throughout many of Apple's international markets, and cut across many channels, not just Retail.
 
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Good to see that you're being adult about it. When I saw your response rant, my first thought was "here's a chick with a chip on her shoulder". I guess that means that I should plan on being ignored, as well.

I think 30 years of dealing with sexism in the tech workplace, means I can just disregard your "assessment". I've done very well for myself doing just that; thanks for "worrying" though. As for ignoring you, well thanks for the heads up; you're right up there on the lovely pink list with bows (sic).
 
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I would be slightly disappointed if it was an Apple Music subscription (as it's something that I probably wouldn't use), but I'm not going to complain about what is essentially a gift. I'm sure plenty of people would be really happy with that.

Good to see that you're being adult about it. When I saw your response rant, my first thought was "here's a chick with a chip on her shoulder". I guess that means that I should plan on being ignored, as well.

Nothing about your response strikes me as being 'adult'; it seems petulant.

As a woman, all of the sexism that is present in the science and tech industries (and believe me, it really is there) is much more noticeable, because it is something that is being directed to my own gender. The fact that you disregard this whole argument as the original poster having a 'chip on her shoulder' because she's a woman shows that you're part of the problem, regardless of whether you yourself are judging Angela by her looks.
 
There is something really ironic/hypocritical when someone complains about dealing with condescension in their line of work by beginning their response with "Hey, bud," and then going off on a lecture about how they aren't aware how things actually are in the real world..

Also, I don't really care about what the rest of the online community thinks about this person, or what the tone is like. I judge people based on their performance, and all I'm saying is I am not a fan of the performance of this particular hire. In fact, I think she is doing a pretty terrible job. And her record I think shows that.. Unless you want to be the one to enlighten me on what she has really brought to the table here?

No you don't, I read your other stuff. Basically your whole post is a fabrication. That's all I'll add. Bye.
 
Nothing about your response strikes me as being 'adult'; it seems petulant.

As a woman, all of the sexism that is present in the science and tech industries (and believe me, it really is there) is much more noticeable, because it is something that is being directed to my own gender. The fact that you disregard this whole argument as the original poster having a 'chip on her shoulder' because she's a woman shows that you're part of the problem, regardless of whether you yourself are judging Angela by her looks.

Thanks for sharing your unsolicited analysis.

Perhaps it's the militant attitude that brings that perceived sexism out in people with whom you associate. I work for one of the largest IT consulting firms around with people of all colors, sizes, genders and persuasions. I can tell you that the women with whom I work neither display said militant attitude, nor are they treated as anything less or more than an equally qualified male. I seriously wonder how much of this perceived misogyny is either imagined or self-fulfilling prophecy. Do not infer from that statement that I am saying it does not exist anywhere, but I honestly do believe that its frequency and magnitude are greatly exaggerated.

And just because Ms Ahrendts is a female doesn't mean that she gets a pass on her performance when she underachieves.
 
Thanks for sharing your unsolicited analysis.

Perhaps it's the militant attitude that brings that perceived sexism out in people with whom you associate. I work for one of the largest IT consulting firms around with people of all colors, sizes, genders and persuasions. I can tell you that the women with whom I work neither display said militant attitude, nor are they treated as anything less or more than an equally qualified male. I seriously wonder how much of this perceived misogyny is either imagined or self-fulfilling prophecy. Do not infer from that statement that I am saying it does not exist anywhere, but I honestly do believe that its frequency and magnitude are greatly exaggerated.

And just because Ms Ahrendts is a female doesn't mean that she gets a pass on her performance when she underachieves.

If you don't want other people involving themselves in your discussion, don't post on a public forum. ;)

'Millitant' is such a bizarre choice of word, because my response was nothing of the sort. I also did not state that I had been on the receiving end of any sexism myself - merely pointed out that I have seen it happen. Trying to destabilise my argument by assuming that I'm running around screaming 'sexist!' whenever a man opens a door for me isn't exactly proving your supposed tolerance of diversity within your workplace.

Try reading some scientific research papers on unconscious bias, because it is real. However non-sexist and non-racist everyone claims to be, they have preferences that they are not even aware of that are detrimental to ethnic minorities and women. The discrimination faced by women in my profession is so prevalent that there is a whole organisation (Athena SWAN) that has been set up to try and combat the bias seen in STEM careers.

I am not saying that Angela has done a stellar job; in my opinion she hasn't. What I am saying is that some of the criticism she is facing isn't justified.
 
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Good to see that you're being adult about it. When I saw your response rant, my first thought was "here's a chick with a chip on her shoulder". I guess that means that I should plan on being ignored, as well.

I pulled her up in another thread about having a rant, claiming she was an engineer and being rude. She could not answer a simple engineering question to be honest, so she dealt with it an adult manner. I doubt her claims though. Ignore works for me, no more silly rants
 
Well, I won't have to hear your drama queening from now on; bye and ignore.

You need to look at your own behaviour. There is no excuse for rude behaviour to other posters.

Your reply to me is that of a child throwing thier toys out the pram, the previous post I replied to was just as bad to the other poster.

Time to look in the mirror!!
 
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You need to look at your own behaviour. There is no excuse for rude behaviour to other posters.

Your reply to me is that of a child throwing thier toys out the pram, the previous post I replied to was just as bad to the other poster.

Time to look in the mirror!!

That's standard fare for that poster.
 
As a woman, all of the sexism that is present in the science and tech industries (and believe me, it really is there) is much more noticeable, because it is something that is being directed to my own gender. The fact that you disregard this whole argument as the original poster having a 'chip on her shoulder' because she's a woman shows that you're part of the problem, regardless of whether you yourself are judging Angela by her looks.

You responce is correct, I agree with that. It's not an excuse for Keira though to be rude and condenseding to fellow MR posters. look at her profile and read her replies to people, and than Judge for yourself.
 
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That's standard fare for that poster.

I just read through the first two pages of her latest posts, cause I have had only a couple of interactions before making her ignore list, and like to get facts before making an assessment, you are right, there is pattern there to support that.

Given what I saw in the posts, no loss to me! No chance we could have had a proper civilised debate.
 
That's not Ahrendts decision.

No, most likely not.

I think she tried to put the best spin on it as possible with "personalized" try on sessions and such, but the Apple Watch launch was terrible, and I'm not seeing any critical reason in terms of supply for it to have launched any sooner than June or July.
 
I agree - this whole year has looked like bumbling nonsense. There are right now tens of thousands of students waiting for information on the education discounts. It's not like Angela's videos are highly crafted productions - their sloppy, perhaps intentionally, but she could put one out in 5 minutes if needed and given interested parties guidance.

So the fact that she was called out and told everyone to wait a week shows not only that she's behind strategically, but also operationally poor and indecisive. Maybe the whole management team is lost, but we do know that Cook has operational talent, Ive is clearly strategic in products (design tradeoffs) and Cue is decisive (Taylor swift). While each one of them does deliver, I don't see what Angela is bringing to the table. Pricing strategy? Edition watches on celebrities? Ugh...

And stuff goes wrong in business - even the bast operations can still run into shortages or delays. But problems are being amplified needlessly. For example, maybe there were supply shortages of the watch. But I remember that they ran out of pre-order. How can you "sell out" of pre-order?

Are you not shooting the messenger though? At least with her videos she is communicating with retail staff, they are not required be quality productions. The return to school promotion is not her decision, she will communicate it once it's finalised.

In terms of retail, the watch setup in the stores was well implemented, the supply was a joke, not her fault.

I just think people are taking out thier frustration on the wrong person, cause unlike the last bloke she is actually communicating.
 
Are you not shooting the messenger though? At least with her videos she is communicating with retail staff, they are not required be quality productions. The return to school promotion is not her decision, she will communicate it once it's finalised.

In terms of retail, the watch setup in the stores was well implemented, the supply was a joke, not her fault.

I just think people are taking out thier frustration on the wrong person, cause unlike the last bloke she is actually communicating.

True. The problem is lots of "know it all" posters here w/ no knowledge of how hierarchical organizations function. In this case the AA blamers actually believe head of retail operations means President and CEO of Apple and the rest of the senior executive staff are unused test dummies from Mythbusters.
 
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