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AFAIK the only thing that it's limited is GPGPU with a 64bit VGA Card.
How many users are doing this kind of work on his MP here ? Maybe only you ;)
I'd like to, but so far, the software I use doesn't support that feature. It can't even go over 4 cores IIRC.


C'mon, you perfectly know that all the whining here is about "gaming&3dmark", and people speaking of 64bit without really knowing what is really involved. They only would like to have the latest vga card.
The question is: can you run 64bit applications on a 2006's MP ?
The answer is: yes, you can.

I know that there is pro people actually limited using a MP with EFI32, but this kind of people usually upgrade his workstation every 3 year or less, just because they really need the "top notch" for business.
I agree, that most are unhappy, but even if they don't use GPGPU processing, or use the system for video/graphics work (particularly 3D), it's still nice to have a faster card than what the stock cards are. But the HD4870 is good enough for such needs, and will work in those systems.

That leaves OS X, which will go K64 exclusively in the not too distant future (I'm thinking 10.7, but by 10.8 for sure, as Apple's indicated that's the direction they're going). But for general use (i.e. browsing, word processing,...), the last version will work just fine for some time yet. Eventually they will have to get a new system, but by that time, they'd have gotten a good run out of it.

The pros that don't otherwise need a new system (save the forced obselecense of their systems), would have a right to be angry. But that's a small number compared to most, who have either already moved on to a newer system (pros that do need them = earn a living with it, and it's justified), or can live with it for some time yet, as their usage isn't that demanding.
 
But the real embarrassment for Apple comes when I start 64-Bit Ubuntu 9.10 (with nVidia's proprietary drivers) on that box. While 64-Bit Vista already runs circles around Snow Leopard on that machine, Ubuntu completely blows OS X out of the water.

You're kidding, yes? I came from a homebuild (Asus P5Q Deluxe, 8GB DDR2-800 @ 4-4-4-10), Q9650 (9x400Mhz = 3.6GHz), nVidia GTX260, running Vista Ultimate 64-bit. OS X 10.5 blew it out of the water (24" iMac early 2009). Snow Leopard was far faster, especially re: disk speed.

It's unbelievable how fast that computer feels when you do NOT use Apple's operating systems on it.

I'll take your word for it; I do not wish to use Windows on anything except a vmware session.

Then there are the problems with the built-in Airport card - which works fine in Vista and Ubuntu, but is almost unusable in Snow Leopard. And yes, Third Party hardware definitely prefers non-Apple operating systems as well.

Okay, that is admittedly creepy. What's up with Apple? (You did do a clean install of Snow Leopard to be sure, yes?)

Here are the reasons why I am still using Snow Leopard, though:

My expensive software investments Photoshop CS 3 Extended, Flash Pro CS3, Aperture, Logic Studio and a bunch of other OS X-specific Shareware.

Unless I am willing to cut my losses and give up on Aperture, which is my absolutely favorite application and by far the best tool FOR ME on the market for its purposes, I am locked into the OS X platform.

They sound like good reasons; I've Adobe Master Collection CS4. :D

But after more than four years in Apple land, I cannot say that I am still in love with the platform or that I think that anything is better here than it is in Microsoft land. Apple completely sucks as a company and their operating system is not half as good or reliable or robust or fast as they claim in their advertisements.

With how Windows writes to the hard drive, never mind the registry, don't worry: Microsoftland will disappoint you soon enough.

When it comes to hardware, I've managed to reduce my portfolio to this one Mac Pro - at the best times, I used to have five Macs on my desk. Now I'm glad that I've gotten rid off them except for this one machine.

I doubt that I will be purchasing another Apple computer. If I decide to stay with OS X, my next machine will be a high-end Hackintosh -- meaning a PC with hardware specs that you cannot even buy from Apple with all the money in the world, because unlike what everybody wants to believe, Apple does not sell real high-end computers. They sell on high-end price segment, but not high-end hardware. Heck, they neither have high-end graphic cards nor BluRay writers. Not that I care for the latter, but those are just two examples.

Oh good, illegal activity.

It would be nice to see an ATi 5870... Mac users pay more because the market isn't as large. :(

Apple is all about marketing BS, and about selling designer toys that are beautiful to look at, but most of the time crappy to WORK with. This strategy only works because Apple is targeting exclusively the consumer market, and those two or three things that an average consumer wants to do with a computer mostly work with an Apple.

This is America. Which company isn't about "marketing BS"? Not Microsoft, that's for sure.

Apple should be sticking to its niche markets, I will agree.

However, when you leave the YouTube and Photoshop world behind, Apple's platform very quickly reaches the end of its capabilities and you begin to run Windows or one of the open source operating systems on your precious machine.

Windows, maybe. Linux? No...

Because of my day-time job I had to become very platform agnostic, and I usually don't care much if I have to use Windows, a flavor of Linux or OS X. They all suck in their individual ways, but the only platform of the three that can do EVERYTHING for me without having to use an emulation layer or - even worse - some sort of virtualization software is... Windows.

I'd rather have it under vmware. Easier to restore to a snapshot and not diddle with extra bloating crap.

And that always leads me the same sad realization: A platform is only as good as its Third Party and software ecosystem. And unlike Apple Inc, Microsoft Corp has always understood this.

True, but I'd rather have a more solid base and fewer apps than a dilettante base and tons of garbage running on it.

Anyway. You have a Mac Pro which isn't a bad workstation at all. If you are not in the unfortunate situation to be in a software-lock in, by all means, just drop OS X and use Windows or Linux instead. This might hurt your ego a little bit, but it doesn't hurt your machine. Just don't invest any more money in Apple in the future.

Software lock-in exists for every platform.

I will get a w3580 for my Mac Pro at some point, another 4GB for my 17" MBP, and a 5870 when it comes out for the Mac Pro (please please please).
 
Apple != Legacy support

Apple = Jumping on new tech with little regards to the past

Overall I'm happy with my 2006 Mac Pro.....don't really need the 64-bit kernel since the machine will still run 64-bit apps and I can have my 11GB of RAM in it. :D

Apple kind of gives a false sense of future upgrades with the Pro because it's a tower and you can open it! They don't really want it to be like the PC world with endless options.

True - Apple != legacy support. MS is saddled with it. They're stuck with the registry, amongst other things.

And "endless options" can lead to problems, but with a portion of their base being involved in imaging, it would be nice to see the latest ATi cards out there. ATi is said to be the better card for the Mac...
 
I've already said before… my main concerns are that I am forced to buy a new computer if I want to use a 24" Apple LED Display and the possibility of being unable to install 10.7 because I don't have a 64bit EFI.

Technically, the 4870 WILL work in the 2006-2007 Mac Pros, but Apple is artificially shutting out those machines by listing only 2008-2009 models in the compatibility section on their site. That bothers me. Apple is basically telling their users that they must upgrade to a 2008-2009 model of the Mac Pro to buy a 24" LED.

The other weird thing to me is… not everyone with a 64bit EFI can run the 64bit Kernel. My brother's MacBook has a 64bit EFI, yet it will not load the 64bit Kernel. So, what are the real requirements for running the 64bit Kernel?
 
What is the purpose of this thread?

Basically, it boils down to this:

I was upset that my ATI 4870 died and Apple wouldn't replace it. Now that I'm getting my 4870 replaced, I feel better.

I think that if my video card didn't die, none of this would have started, but it was just the breaking point of my frustration with Apple for not qualifying my machine for the 4870.
 
Technically, the 4870 WILL work in the 2006-2007 Mac Pros, but Apple is artificially shutting out those machines by listing only 2008-2009 models in the compatibility section on their site. That bothers me. Apple is basically telling their users that they must upgrade to a 2008-2009 model of the Mac Pro to buy a 24" LED.

Nanofrog explained why - and it makes sense, in the strange  way - they did that.

That said, if you have enough cash to blow on the Apple Cinema display (it's really not cheap for something in that size/image quality class), the $150 for a GT 120 is kind of a moot point, is it not?
 
Nanofrog explained why - and it makes sense, in the strange  way - they did that.

That said, if you have enough cash to blow on the Apple Cinema display (it's really not cheap for something in that size/image quality class), the $150 for a GT 120 is kind of a moot point, is it not?

The GT 120 won't work in a 2006 Mac Pro.
 
My replacement card is here! I get to pick it up later!
 
Sounds good. Here's hoping it'll last you until it's time to upgrade.

Just installed it. Everything's working the way I remember. By the way... sometimes when I start up in Mac OS X, my menu bar doesn't show up right away... I have to click on the Desktop to make my menu bar appear.
 
Just installed it. Everything's working the way I remember. By the way... sometimes when I start up in Mac OS X, my menu bar doesn't show up right away... I have to click on the Desktop to make my menu bar appear.
That sometimes happens to me, and I have a flashed 4890. It might just be a quirk of ATI cards, I don't know.
 
Just installed it. Everything's working the way I remember. By the way... sometimes when I start up in Mac OS X, my menu bar doesn't show up right away... I have to click on the Desktop to make my menu bar appear.

Happens here also on my MP and my Macbook. It doesn't do it all the time though. Really nothing to worry about. Congrats on the new card. I think Applecare was blowing you off, otherwise how would the repare place get authorized? My experiences with Applecare have been terrible, so I am biased.
 
It's annoying to think that I was purchasing a 64bit computer that wasn't totally 64bit. It also annoys me that they don't even sell a graphics card with a mini displayport for these ancient machines.

How do you think i feel? I own a PowerMac G5 DP 2.5 GHz machine. It was being hailed as a 64 bit machine long before yours, and I don't even have the opportunity to run Snow Leopard. However, i don't expect Apple to to support every computer they make for 10 years [mines only 4 or 5 years old], and it still runs beautifully.
 
How do you think i feel? I own a PowerMac G5 DP 2.5 GHz machine. It was being hailed as a 64 bit machine long before yours, and I don't even have the opportunity to run Snow Leopard. However, i don't expect Apple to to support every computer they make for 10 years [mines only 4 or 5 years old], and it still runs beautifully.

I do feel bad for G5 owners. However, I think the Mac Pro was the last Intel Mac to finish converting over to Intel. That means that you must have known Apple was going all-Intel before you bought your PowerMac G5.
 
EDIT:

I was able to find a SN of a 2008 MP online, but I'm not sure you'll want to use it. It's from a machine that was stolen in Germany earlier this year. The guy posted the SN in an attempt to find the thieves. Perhaps you can contact him and ask if he's recovered the machine.

http://happyhappyboy.de/Theft.html

Hello,

I just came across this thread, a bit late unfortunately. I'm that guy whose computer was stolen. Do you remember by any chance where you saw that serial number? I still didn't get any of that stuff back and I would still like to get those bastards who did that to me..

Thanks and regards,
Sebastian Mecklenburg
 
Hello,

I just came across this thread, a bit late unfortunately. I'm that guy whose computer was stolen. Do you remember by any chance where you saw that serial number? I still didn't get any of that stuff back and I would still like to get those bastards who did that to me..

Thanks and regards,
Sebastian Mecklenburg

I believe they saw the serial number on your web site. No one has seen the actual machine, they were just looking for a random Mac Pro serial number in Google and found your site.
 
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