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You’d need a Chinese or Vietnamese president to run the US. They’re pretty good at running their own countries, developing their countries—can the US keep up with that?

The is consistency and planning.

Take China’s railway expansion for example:

The Chinese pretty much determined that railway, regardless high speed or low speed is key for national development. You need goods to move around the country for economic development. So profit comes to secondary consideration.

It will take several decades of planning, implementations and actual boot on the ground to build the railway.

It takes lots of state resources. Chinese is good at building things in scale. All these rain station looks similar, only few type of trains to build etc.

The key is consistency. In US, current political environment, it is hard or impossible. You have one president reverse previous president’s decision. Everything is profit driven.

Can America do it? Absolutely. Will America do it, doubtful
 
Never trusted their stuff anyway. Neither powerbanks nor power bricks and cords. There are so many better brands out there with great quality control. They obviously cost more but at least offer safety and build quality. Too bad Apple has been cheapo in recent years and you have to buy accessories yourself, otherwise those are best in terms of quality

Do you never used their staff and determined Anker is bad?
 
I want you to go watch interview by Howard Lutnick.

You will understand the whole bring manufacturing back is scam. Let me ask you this question: Would you want work at minimum wage and working over 10 hours a day to assemble iPhone? Ask yourself this question. If you don't want to do it, then why do you think others in US wants? Would you want working in an assembly line, making minimum wage and still can't afford yourself?

I suspect this manufacturing pitch appeals to his base. It gives them hope.

Low-income, uneducated individuals who hear the word ‘manufacturing’ and believe they’re going to get high auto union salaries. More so, the requirements to land an assembly line job certainly wouldn’t require a university degree.
 
Do you never used their staff and determined Anker is bad?
Even better: I do my own research before buying, compare thousands and thousands of reviews from different people and then come to the conclusion that “nah, I would better pay more and get more”
 
Trump stated his intentions on Tariff in May 2024 and through out his campaign.
He did not stop.
Maybe nobody took him serious until, the chute was opened.
But let’s be a little fair, he gave fore warning.
To be fair, he gives little forewarning now, except to his billionaire buddies. Changing tariffs on a whim without even informing his cabinet. It's impossible to plan for business with such a capricious figure in charge.

Literally, the only people delighted with Trump outside the slowly dwindling MAGA core are the Russians, who have been laughing at Trump on the state sponsored TV channels and hoping for more of the same as he plunges the rest of the world into economic and political turmoil.
 
When stuff comes over here to the U.K, they just sick a dollar sign in front of the prices, which is why they are more expensive, no conversion whatsoever
It's like VAT doesn't exist in the UK.

exchange rate over the past year: £1 = $1.20
VAT on electricals. 20%

Maybe that is why they swap the $ for the £ sign on the advertised price. Meanwhile, Americans add their state's sales tax at the checkout.
 
I suspect this manufacturing pitch appeals to his base. It gives them hope.

Low-income, uneducated individuals who hear the word ‘manufacturing’ and believe they’re going to get high auto union salaries. More so, the requirements to land an assembly line job certainly wouldn’t require a university degree.

It is.

But manufacturing is also the weakest part. Any low skill manufacturing, let it be auto manufacturing, making t-shirts or whatever, is the most vulnerable to economical cycles and technological advance.

This is unfortunately the reality. What United State should do is ensure their citizen get educated and developing skills that cannot be replaceable. Not trying to get low skill low tech manufacturing back.
 
It's like VAT doesn't exist in the UK.

exchange rate over the past year: £1 = $1.20
VAT on electricals. 20%

Maybe that is why they swap the $ for the £ sign on the advertised price. Meanwhile, Americans add their state's sales tax at the checkout.
I realise tha V.A.T is included, but it still seems as if they fixed the prices as if they just stuck a pound sign in front, so it is more expensive. But yeah, I have forgotten that the U.S. do things a bit strange when they sell products.
 
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To be fair, he gives little forewarning now, except to his billionaire buddies. Changing tariffs on a whim without even informing his cabinet. It's impossible to plan for business with such a capricious figure in charge.

Literally, the only people delighted with Trump outside the slowly dwindling MAGA core are the Russians, who have been laughing at Trump on the state sponsored TV channels and hoping for more of the same as he plunges the rest of the world into economic and political turmoil.
He spoke about tariffs starting in May. He met with Trudeau and Mexico late november. He called EU leaders the beginning of December to discuss tarrifs. January and February the discussions continued. Even CNN was covering it but I am sure the media was flooding their channels with every single airplane incident masked the tariff coverge..
 
It is.

But manufacturing is also the weakest part. Any low skill manufacturing, let it be auto manufacturing, making t-shirts or whatever, is the most vulnerable to economical cycles and technological advance.

This is unfortunately the reality. What United State should do is ensure their citizen get educated and developing skills that cannot be replaceable. Not trying to get low skill low tech manufacturing back.
Compaines like Intel have worked with local education institutions to shape curriculum to better support manufacturing needs.
I have been in Semiconductor, Bio/Pharma and medical device manufacturing the past 25 years. I can honestly say the vast majority of the employees I have worked with are not low skilled employees.
The most significant issue I have seem is the gap in the technician ranks. The thought for the past 15 years has shifted to either you're and engineer or replacable commodity.
The company I currently work at has an extremely talented technician workforce that management refuses to tap into for engineering positions. They prefer the recent college grad vs the seasoned technician.
We are destroying our workforce by favoring education and ignoring talent/experience
 
Compaines like Intel have worked with local education institutions to shape curriculum to better support manufacturing needs.
I have been in Semiconductor, Bio/Pharma and medical device manufacturing the past 25 years. I can honestly say the vast majority of the employees I have worked with are not low skilled employees.
The most significant issue I have seem is the gap in the technician ranks. The thought for the past 15 years has shifted to either you're and engineer or replacable commodity.
The company I currently work at has an extremely talented technician workforce that management refuses to tap into for engineering positions. They prefer the recent college grad vs the seasoned technician.
We are destroying our workforce by favoring education and ignoring talent/experience

That is the point. US should be focus on high end, technological innovative manufacturing. This is why the whole tariff thing is so stupid, because it isn't aiming that.

Low end, low value added products/ manufacturing should be left for developing countries and they can use these to develop their own economy.

In China, 67% of secondary school students enrolled into University, in which 41% of all university graduate student are in STEM field. In United States, post secondary enrolment rate is only 39%, and only 20% are in STEM field. This is why you shouldn't be surprised that China will eventually overtake United States in STEM field.
 
That is the point. US should be focus on high end, technological innovative manufacturing. This is why the whole tariff thing is so stupid, because it isn't aiming that.

Low end, low value added products/ manufacturing should be left for developing countries and they can use these to develop their own economy.

In China, 67% of secondary school students enrolled into University, in which 41% of all university graduate student are in STEM field. In United States, post secondary enrolment rate is only 39%, and only 20% are in STEM field. This is why you shouldn't be surprised that China will eventually overtake United States in STEM field.
you have a big issue when your Education head calls AI "A ONE"...
 
He spoke about tariffs starting in May. He met with Trudeau and Mexico late november. He called EU leaders the beginning of December to discuss tarrifs. January and February the discussions continued. Even CNN was covering it but I am sure the media was flooding their channels with every single airplane incident masked the tariff coverge..
Yes, I'm sure he told everyone he was going to tariff the entire world to death based on made up nonsense. I am sure he also said that he was going to flip flop on his announced policies at the drop of a hat without prior consultation, like he is now doing with his deportations as his MAGA core among farmers have now complained that they cannot operate without illegals. What is there to take seriously any more? He is just an agent of chaos without a coherent economic policy in his head. When even diehard conservative commentators in and out of the US are calling him an economically illiterate moron, what exactly do you expect any sane government to do in mitigation?
 
Yes, I'm sure he told everyone he was going to tariff the entire world to death based on made up nonsense. I am sure he also said that he was going to flip flop on his announced policies at the drop of a hat without prior consultation, like he is now doing with his deportations as his MAGA core among farmers have now complained that they cannot operate without illegals. What is there to take seriously any more? He is just an agent of chaos without a coherent economic policy in his head. When even diehard conservative commentators in and out of the US are calling him an economically illiterate moron, what exactly do you expect any sane government to do in mitigation?
But do you even have anyone to pick from to be the US president?
 
Hold on, let me go on Amazon to find an American-made iPhone accessory similar to Anker…

Oh wait, there are none.

That’s why the tariffs are stupid. We don’t even have a competitor to prop up!
Sooooo...why not bring some back to the US? Why are y'all so against having production back here, of course it will take time for them to build here, all of you are so dead set on keeping things status quo for the next 50 years....makes no sense.
 
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Sooooo...why not bring some back to the US? Why are y'all so against having production back here, of course it will take time for them to build here, all of you are so dead set on keeping things status quo for the next 50 years....makes no sense.
You will either have to employ those people on a pittance or charge 3 or 4 times more than at present. Not forgetting that when you try to export those goods other nations will now apply tariffs to them and customers will still have the option of buying from elsewhere. In other words the IS products will not be competitive.
 
Give him his due. The respite lasted at least 24hrs. Here we go again...

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Yes, I'm sure he told everyone he was going to tariff the entire world to death based on made up nonsense. I am sure he also said that he was going to flip flop on his announced policies at the drop of a hat without prior consultation, like he is now doing with his deportations as his MAGA core among farmers have now complained that they cannot operate without illegals. What is there to take seriously any more? He is just an agent of chaos without a coherent economic policy in his head. When even diehard conservative commentators in and out of the US are calling him an economically illiterate moron, what exactly do you expect any sane government to do in mitigation?
Imagine that we need to keep “illegals” around to pick our produce.
Just imagine if the government didn’t simply import the slave labor. Well import, disperse and subsidize.
Can you imagine the screams, riots and arm waving if the bad orange man did that.
The tariffs were two fold. First get the attention of other countries that tariffs on US imports are not fair and what would happen if they were made fair.
We will see in 82 days what the world does.
 
Imagine that we need to keep “illegals” around to pick our produce.
Just imagine if the government didn’t simply import the slave labor. Well import, disperse and subsidize.
Can you imagine the screams, riots and arm waving if the bad orange man did that.
The tariffs were two fold. First get the attention of other countries that tariffs on US imports are not fair and what would happen if they were made fair.
We will see in 82 days what the world does.
Whatever he does, the trust in the US around the world has gone. Despite the many things that could be better in the UK and Europe generally, you've inadvertently given us a chance to build together more strongly. Who knows, even the insane BREXIT may be repealed in some way.

It's not just about money and the tariffs, it's the way we've been spoken to and watching how the US treats its closest neighbours. Then there's Panama, 51st state nonsense and Greenland. We really can't work with or trust such insanity.
 
That is the point. US should be focus on high end, technological innovative manufacturing. This is why the whole tariff thing is so stupid, because it isn't aiming that.

Low end, low value added products/ manufacturing should be left for developing countries and they can use these to develop their own economy.

In China, 67% of secondary school students enrolled into University, in which 41% of all university graduate student are in STEM field. In United States, post secondary enrolment rate is only 39%, and only 20% are in STEM field. This is why you shouldn't be surprised that China will eventually overtake United States in STEM field.
When it comes to manufacturing it needs to be diversified across all manufacturing.
Otherwise we are assembling not manufacturing.

You need the low end manufacturing to produce the items needed for the high end. Walmart, using them as an example, makes billions selling low end “stuff”. Perhaps the manufacturer’s profit levels are that of the small amount of high end products, but the low end manufacturing is creating jobs which in turn creates spending and feeding the economy.

The education system in the US is broken. Higher education has become a business vs a learning institution.
The product they produce is a reflection of the widgets they receive from the k-12 system.
I’m not bashing Starbucks workers but they probably have the most educated workforce of any restaurant company. Im sure there are some STEM graduates that work there but a lot less than those with degrees in arts and humanity
studies.

I work in a high tech company and whether it’s DEI, preferential hiring or whatever, the Smiths and Johnson are few and far between. Why, because the US is more concerned about other things outside of academia studies and preparing our children and who they are hiring is a reflection of who’s available in the candidate pool.

When I was in high school and college I had jobs in manufacturing building main frame computers. Everything was made in house, slowly but surely the shipping department head count dropped significantly. Then the circuit board group disappeared, the the sheet metal workers, then the cable division. They went from 12 buildings to 10, to 8, to 5, then 2, then sold.

I worked for a solar panel company. Cost per watt was within 6¢ of a Chinese panel. That equated to less than $15 per panel.
Well the Chinese artificially drove down the cost of their panels to increase the cost separation per watt to over 50¢ which equated to more than $60 per panel. The Chinese government will subsidize an industry until other countries can no longer viably manufacture/produce it.

That is why you need manufacturing at every level of complexity.
 
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