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Only because China makes stuff for so cheap and people don’t realize it will break in 6 months. The internet has brought knockoff garbage out of the singapore shopping mall 5th floor and into your living room.

When physical stores existed, people could see and feel the quality of this garbage and intelligently choose the better product that costs more.
Without the physical comparison, people simply buy on price and authentically “sketchy” reviews.
What this has led to is the inability of the market to even support the existence of well made goods in some categories.
Hopefully, the tariffs on this garbage will make it worthwhile for manufacturers to build higher quality products again outside of china.
But that’s wishful thinking.
Though with Anker it feels and performs high quality once I get it and many months later. So if I saw it in a store next to other similar items I guess I would still be "fooled" into buying it.
 
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Though with Anker it feels and performs high quality once I get it and many months later. So if I saw it in a store next to other similar items I guess I would still be "fooled" into buying it.
I have Anker stuff that’s approaching a decade of use and still going strong. I have mostly bought cables from them most recently but the quality still seems to be excellent.
 
and, of course, the coming crisis is when china stops buying USA debit (bonds).
america will be in free fall.
game over.
People should be worried if China starts dumping them too. Some worry China (and maybe even Japan?) was selling this week.


U.S. Rally At Risk As China May Be Dumping Treasuries

Apr 09, 2025

China has long been one of the largest holders of U.S. government debt, peaking at over $1.3 trillion a decade ago. Today, those holdings have fallen to just $759 billion, the lowest level since 2009. While that trend has been in place for years, recent events suggest an acceleration in sales — and the timing may not be coincidental.

Just this week, the U.S. imposed a 125% tariff on Chinese goods, intensifying already fraught trade tensions. Hours later, the yield on the 10-year Treasury jumped from 4.1% to 4.5% — and it didn’t happen during U.S. trading hours. It happened in the dark, between 8 p.m. and 3 a.m. ET, when Beijing was open for business.

This is no ordinary market behavior. Yields typically fall ahead of recessions or during equity pullbacks, as investors seek safety. The fact that yields are rising in a period of economic uncertainty points to supply-driven selling — potentially from a foreign source. And China, with its enormous holdings and history of using its reserves as a geopolitical lever, is a natural suspect.

The U.S. Treasury market is no longer just a domestic arena. Thanks to 24-hour trading platforms like BrokerTec and CME Globex, Treasuries are traded around the clock. But the overnight hours — particularly those aligning with Asian markets — are dominated by foreign central banks, sovereign wealth funds, and institutional investors.

This creates a window where large-scale selling can have an outsized impact due to thinner liquidity. A well-timed sale of even a few billion dollars in Treasuries can move yields significantly, especially if it happens when U.S. market makers are offline. For a country like China, this is a strategic feature — not a bug.

Recent Treasury auctions have also sent up red flags. A 3-year note auction held this week drew a bid-to-cover ratio of just 2.48, below recent averages — signaling tepid demand. Poor auction results push yields higher, raising borrowing costs for the U.S. government and putting upward pressure on rates across the board.

If China and other foreign buyers are stepping back from these auctions — or worse, actively selling in secondary markets — it could dramatically shift the supply-demand balance in the world's largest bond market.

Rising Treasury yields hit the U.S. economy in multiple ways:

  • Stock valuations come under pressure, especially for growth companies whose future cash flows are discounted at higher rates.
  • Mortgage rates rise, cooling the housing market and consumer spending.
  • Federal borrowing costs surge, straining an already ballooning deficit.
 
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I have Anker stuff that’s approaching a decade of use and still going strong. I have mostly bought cables from them most recently but the quality still seems to be excellent.
yep. Obviously there's also cheap stuff coming out of China as well. It's really like any place selling a variety of things -- some is great, some is just ok and some sucks. Thank goodness for reviews.
 
I’m gonna help you guys out and give you a tip on how to avoid the price increase. DON’T BUY IT!
yep. I think that will be the norm for a while. Consumer confidence is currently lower than during the great depression. There's some good from not buying so much though it will cost a lot of jobs. US auto companies have already started some layoffs due the tariffs. People will keep their cars longer I guess which is good to a point.
 
Hold on, let me go on Amazon to find an American-made iPhone accessory similar to Anker…

Oh wait, there are none.

That’s why the tariffs are stupid. We don’t even have a competitor to prop up!
I am all for bringing manufacturing back home. But the tariffs Trump is implementing won't do that. It will impede trade, harm consumers and raise prices across the board without bringing any benefit. Any economist worth their salt can see as much. But we elected someone who is so grossly unqualified that the next few years are going to be a gift for our enemies. Tariffs are a consumer tax....but try to tell that to Trump supporters...
 
One tricky bit with these tariffs is that many things imported from foreign countries have American parts and many things made in the US have foreign parts. This means that virtually everything gets a price increase no matter where it's made or where it's sold.
 
It won't be until China decides to stop exporting to the US that some folks will realized how screwed we are. We depend upon exports from China for pretty much everything. It would be a veritable economic sanctions against us.

Half of us knows we hitch our wagon to the wrong horse. Hail, we were cheated by the system and brain dead MAGAts.:(
Thank you for admitting the problem.

The solution is what President Trump is trying to achieve.

1. Increase manufacturing and productivity within the US. Making businesses want to manufacture within the USA.
2. Getting a fair deal for the imports that can't be manufactured within the USA.

So far China is the only country not on board with this. If the US needs something, just look elsewhere in the world for it. The other countries are smart enough to realise they do not want to lose easy access to thr US markets for their own exports.

The horse President Trump hitched his wagon to is the US people and the US nation.

Historically Democrats were in favour of tariffs. Trump is just using the art of the deal to get it done in such a way that puts the USA first.
 
Thank you for admitting the problem.

The solution is what President Trump is trying to achieve.

1. Increase manufacturing and productivity within the US. Making businesses want to manufacture within the USA.
2. Getting a fair deal for the imports that can't be manufactured within the USA.

So far China is the only country not on board with this. If the US needs something, just look elsewhere in the world for it. The other countries are smart enough to realise they do not want to lose easy access to thr US markets for their own exports.

The horse President Trump hitched his wagon to is the US people and the US nation.

Historically Democrats were in favour of tariffs. Trump is just using the art of the deal to get it done in such a way that puts the USA first.
The irony is that US auto companies have laid off American workers recently due to the tariffs. Specifically those that make a lot of the parts that go into the cars.
 
One tricky bit with these tariffs is that many things imported from foreign countries have American parts and many things made in the US have foreign parts. This means that virtually everything gets a price increase no matter where it's made or where it's sold.
That's why the baseline of 10% tariffs work. Assuming both sides agree to it.

That's low enough that people will pay the slightly higher price for it but also high enough that the US manufacturers will seek out (where possible) a locally made or manufactured part to use instead.
 
I haven't brought any Anker stuffs, but I have couple Ugreen. They are pretty reliable. View attachment 2501332

I have two of these and few of their USB-C hubs. None of them had any problem for at least three years now.

Frankly, the two brands look and feel similar enough to me that I won’t be surprised if they both came from the same factory.

But yes, I do have a number of Ugreen-branded chargers myself. Their usb c cables are pretty cheap on Amazon and there was a period of time when Anker seemed to be stagnating and Ugreen was releasing all manner of new multi-port chargers that appealed to me because of the sheer number of devices I was charging.
 
Thank you for admitting the problem.

The solution is what President Trump is trying to achieve.

1. Increase manufacturing and productivity within the US. Making businesses want to manufacture within the USA.
2. Getting a fair deal for the imports that can't be manufactured within the USA.

Your argument doesn't hold up.

The U.S. is already the second-largest manufacturing country in the world. The difference is that the U.S. focuses on high-end, high-value-added industries — like aerospace, automotive, and advanced technology — rather than low-cost mass production.

Are you suggesting that low-end manufacturing should come back to the U.S.? That’s unrealistic. Even if you imposed a 1000% tariff on cheap Chinese goods, they’d likely still be more affordable than U.S.-made equivalents. Chinese factories run 24/7, 365 days a year. That kind of production model simply isn't feasible in the U.S. due to labor costs, regulations, and cultural expectations.

And about the so-called “fair trade” — what does that even mean? So far, neither the President nor his advisors have clearly defined what a "fair deal" actually looks like. It’s just vague political language without substance at this point.

Is it 0% tariff on both side? This won't work, it will increase trade deficit even more.

Just think about it, how much of airplane or aerospace equipment or cars can Vietnam buy from USA? And if 0% tariff, countries like Vietnam can simply export more without adding any cost.

Is it no trade deficit? This is a pipe dream. Zero trade deficit never and will not exist, unless US stop trading with anyone.

Is it country now must buy more from US than they export? This is even unlikely to happen.



So far China is the only country not on board with this. If the US needs something, just look elsewhere in the world for it. The other countries are smart enough to realise they do not want to lose easy access to thr US markets for their own exports.

The horse President Trump hitched his wagon to is the US people and the US nation.

Historically Democrats were in favour of tariffs. Trump is just using the art of the deal to get it done in such a way that puts the USA first.

Can you name a single country that has the capability and supply chain infrastructure to replace China overnight? The idea that the $773 billion trade relationship between the U.S. and China can simply be shifted to another country is completely unrealistic — especially within a single presidential term.

This isn't just about China refusing to cooperate. Nearly every other country is also not on board with this approach. During Trump’s previous term, tariffs were placed on products from around 170 countries — and so far, only Vietnamhas openly shown interest in talking.

Trump can say whatever he wants on the campaign trail, but so far there's been no clear indication of which countries he's actually working with to build a new supply chain. It’s all rhetoric — no concrete plans, no details, just vague promises.

And let’s be honest — why should any country trust Trump? Since taking office, he’s made countless policy flip-flops. Can you name one major international trade initiative he actually saw through successfully? His track record doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

This tariff war isn’t sustainable. It’s already putting pressure on global trade, and U.S. consumer confidence is starting to take a hit. If this continues, it's not just foreign economies that will feel it — Americans will too.
 
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Washing Machines are easy to find Made in the USA.
Speed Queen is made in Wisconsin.
Whirlpool and Maytag in Ohio.
GE in Kentucky.

Whirlpool, GE, Sub-Zero, True Residential refrigerators are Made in the USA, too.

Does anybody "need" a television?
There are people on here that get upset if a Mac is six months later then they think it should be and you've gone defcon five and are now questioning the need for a television?
 
Australia just scored a big LPG contract from China after they cancelled a US deal and literally turned the ships back, so thanks for that. China knows they are in the box seat. This is an opportunity to weaken the US on the world stage as the US attacks its alles and does its best to discourage foreign investment. Companies like Apple are just going to have to sit this one out and see what happens. I would imagine behind the scenes Apple is probably looking at whether it has to restructure the company into independent regional based companies that legally aren't under the US tariffs, so the US gets its special edition tariff phones and computers and the rest of the world gets them at regular prices. Time will tell.
 
It’s pointless to argue with someone who holds a deep bias against China
There remains a deep (as in, goes way back) anti-Chinese sentiment in American politics that has nothing to do with trade balance. It manifests all the time when American politicians want to rile up the masses.
 
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Ant that, right there, is the exact problem that needs to be fixed.
And the best way to do that is not to penalize Americans companies or consumers, but rather do as China and other countries do: reward companies with key incentives (tax breaks, help, land, etc.) to produce in America. Do it for specific industries where there's particular need/desire to produce in America. Then let the free market system take it from there. Make it so companies make MORE profit if they produce in America.
 
The solution is what President Trump is trying to achieve.
That must explain the tariffs on all those tropical-agricultural producing nations... yeah, right...

So far China is the only country not on board with this.
Um, maybe you should check some foreign news sites and not get everything from right-wing media.

The horse President Trump hitched his wagon to is the US people and the US nation.
That is a good example to put into the lexicon under "risible".
 
Ugreen is usually solid as well. None of these companies design the internal components themselves anyway, that all comes from external Chinese suppliers that specialize on the actual electronics. It's possible to find the same components in no-name products from Alibaba for a fraction of the price (of course, you won't know beforehand).
This is an extremely true., Having bought things from Alibaba in the past alot of the stuff was just manufactured by the source and so cheaply Alibaba. That was years ago. But the products are still usable to this day. No name is sometimes the best way. I don’t condone Alibaba products how they disturb the market. Yeah but they’re gonna be subjected to the tariffs as well Alibaba so
 
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