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There’s many other options than Anker these days. And It’s okay. The chinese are hurting A LOT more right now than the US. Serves them right. Now they know how the US felt when manufacturing was drying up, couldn’t get the supplies they needed for their businesses, etc. if they want to blame someone, blame Xi. 👏
It would have helped tons for both those shopping for such items and the American companies that make them if you could have listed a few that make products like Anker 100% in the US. While I don't have a huge problem buying Chinese made products I would definitely prefer American if the quality is solid and price reasonable.
 
I thought I made clear in my post that I consider the blanket tariffs unwarranted and the magnitude excessive, so I'm not sure what we are supposedly disagreeing about.

Not clear when you start with, and what I quoted was... "Trump is not entirely wrong in imposing tariffs against China as there are reasons to support that decision."

Yes you went on, but is he wrong or not? going to take a stance or not? because the rest is just .. not sure what.

So now you are taking a definitive stance. thanks for clarifying.
 
Economists generally agree that China has and still is significantly subsidizing its manufacturing sector though. While this means cheap products available for exports, it also arguably means unfair competition for manufacturers in other countries.
So what? That's their system. Also true in Vietnam and most other industrialized nations. Economists also agree that we subsidize our oil industry, our agriculture, transportation, tech, automotive, airlines, etc. Even Amazon to the tune of $15 billion a year. Or were you not aware of this? Why is one nation's subsidy more acceptable than another?

I agree with the rest of your post.
 
Not clear when you start with, and what I quoted was... "Trump is not entirely wrong in imposing tariffs against China as there are reasons to support that decision."

Yes you went on, but is he wrong or not? going to take a stance or not? because the rest is just .. not sure what.

So now you are taking a definitive stance. thanks for clarifying.

What if he is mostly wrong in many aspects but right in some others? You seem to imply that he is either completely wrong or that we should disregards the aspects where there is merit in his stance.

If you are arguing that he's completely wrong and that there is no merit in any tariffs, I disagree. If you are arguing that there is some merit but that should be disregarded and swept under the rug, I also disagrees.

IMHO "taking a definitive stance" should not mean forfeiting all nuance.
 
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So what? That's their system. Also true in Vietnam and most other industrialized nations. Economists also agree that we subsidize our oil industry, our agriculture, transportation, tech, automotive, airlines, etc. Even Amazon to the tune of $15 billion a year. Or were you not aware of this? Why is one nation's subsidy more acceptable than another?

I agree with the rest of your post.
I think it's also consistent with being a communist country. The government is a stakeholder in business. But clearly they can't signifcantly subsidize most businesses or they would quickly not have any money left with which to subsidize. Clearly after a period most companies would have to survive mainly from income from sales. I think it's fair the US to do the same for certain key industries where we have motivation to have greater US participation. That's why I think tariffs should be replaced by various other types of help and incentives that make US companies actually MORE profitable if they produce locally. Don't penalize US companies.
 
There would be rioting on US streets long before it becomes an economical problem for China. Deprive us, the 'Merican people, of our cheap comforts for a month or so and the whole nations will be a giant dumpster fire.

For real. Half of the US practically **** the bed when TikTok was turned off for a day back in January.
 
So be it. Cheap stuff from China is made cheaply because it's either garbage or is done by utilizing near or actual slave labor. These sorts of things will work out and eventually find balance and I'm glad to pay more if it means we can be rid of the drop shippers, knock offs, and other garbage.
Are you saying Anker products are not quality? I always thought of Anker as being a quality products that are not price gauging consumers. Not the cheapest, but fairly priced in my opinion and of high quality.
 
This is why blanket tariffs are bad. No one is going to be building charging banks that are affordable for US consumers in the US. No one. I don't want to pay $500 for a charging bank. Apparently there are a lot of people here that do and think that is a good thing.

People bitched and moaned when everything went up in price in 2022. But for some reason there are certain people that think this is ok. Get real man.
 
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It won't be until China decides to stop exporting to the US that some folks will realized how screwed we are. We depend upon exports from China for pretty much everything. It would be a veritable economic sanctions against us.
this.

MAGA types and Trump and other people who make fun of china as if it were only making cheap things, and just the other day the VP of the USA called the workers of china peasants...

its these people who clearly do no not understand what china has been able to do, in particular during the last 10 years.

while exports are very important to the PRC, china has worked during the last years to make some significant fundamental changes:
- increased domestic demand within china. im sure everybody understands how many people there are in china.
- shifted their manufacturing base to value added products
- increased their market share around the world outside of the USA.

imports and tariffs and stock market prices may be all related, sure. but all that is pre-game show activity.
when china shifts its strategy to not needing the USA, then trump has shot america in its own foot.

and, of course, the coming crisis is when china stops buying USA debit (bonds).
america will be in free fall.
game over.
 
Hold on, let me go on Amazon to find an American-made iPhone accessory similar to Anker…

Oh wait, there are none.

That’s why the tariffs are stupid. We don’t even have a competitor to prop up!
Only because China makes stuff for so cheap and people don’t realize it will break in 6 months. The internet has brought knockoff garbage out of the singapore shopping mall 5th floor and into your living room.

When physical stores existed, people could see and feel the quality of this garbage and intelligently choose the better product that costs more.
Without the physical comparison, people simply buy on price and authentically “sketchy” reviews.
What this has led to is the inability of the market to even support the existence of well made goods in some categories.
Hopefully, the tariffs on this garbage will make it worthwhile for manufacturers to build higher quality products again outside of china.
But that’s wishful thinking.
 
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Are you saying Anker products are not quality? I always thought of Anker as being a quality products that are not price gauging consumers. Not the cheapest, but fairly priced in my opinion and of high quality.

Anker stuff hasn’t been cheap of late (they seem to have been displaced by Ugreen of late), but I find their quality still feels unmatched. The Anker-branded chargers and cables I purchased during the covid period are still going strong. Maybe the price could come down a little, but I can’t say I have had any issues with them.
 
No, he is a terrible business man who keeps failing upwards. Here is a list of Businesses of Donald Trump that went bankrupt.
Last week was just him crashing the stock market so his billionaire friends can make billions while small business lose because of it.


why are you focusing only on things that didn't go so well for him.
that's not fair !


never forget that he made money from selling bibles.
and that was a god given miracle, for sure.
and remember he once looked up into the sky and marvelled that he was chosen by god.
and maybe even his name appears in code somewhere in "two corinthians"
and he even changed the direction of a hurricane with a Sharpie.
and he blinked and tariffs were made to go away.
 
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Perhaps when they realized the increase in site engagement? Everyone's gotta pay the bills. MR is my only "social media" and while I don't subscribe, I do make a point of not having ad blockers on for MR visits, just trusting Safari to keep things in line.
That’s not cool there’s enough of that elsewhere
 
Wait until you need a washing machine or a TV or refrigerator etc.
If you're looking for American-made washing machines and dryers, look no further than Speed Queen. Made in Wisconsin, these have a very long lifespan and are built to commercial standards and renowned for durability. While they come at a higher price point, the investment reflects their exceptional reliability and performance.
 
Only because China makes stuff for so cheap and people don’t realize it will break in 6 months. The internet has brought knockoff garbage out of the singapore shopping mall 5th floor and into your living room.

When physical stores existed, people could see and feel the quality of this garbage and intelligently choose the better product that costs more.
Without the physical comparison, people simply buy on price and authentically “sketchy” reviews.
What this has led to is the inability of the market to even support the existence of well made goods in some categories.
Hopefully, the tariffs on this garbage will make it worthwhile for manufacturers to build higher quality products again outside of china.
But that’s wishful thinking.

It’s pointless to argue with someone who holds a deep bias against China—or any developing nation, for that matter. But let me break down my points clearly:

  1. Every country, including the United States, began by producing low-quality goods before gradually moving up the value chain. In the 1980s, Americans thought Japanese products were cheap knockoffs—then came the same attitude toward South Korean goods. Now it’s Vietnam's turn. This is the typical path of industrial development.
  2. Even Senator Marco Rubio acknowledges that China has moved into producing higher-end, higher-quality products. Sure, there will always be cheap goods, just like there are at Dollarama or Dollar Tree. But when you shop there, are you really expecting premium, long-lasting items? You get what you pay for. I highly recommend reading Rubio’s remarks on “Made in China 2025”:
    Marco Rubio – The World China Made (PDF)
  3. Around 40% of your iPhone’s components are manufactured in China, and about 80% of iPhones are assembled there. That’s not just low-end labor—it’s precision manufacturing at scale.
  4. China has now surpassed both Germany and Japan in car exports, including electric vehicles (EVs) and internal combustion engine (ICE) cars. These are not cheap, low-quality products. China also builds 55% of the world’s commercial ships and holds 75% of future commercial ship orders for the next five years. Are you going to claim LNG carriers and other advanced vessels are "cheap knockoffs" too?
Honestly, it’s time to wake up and take a broader look at the world.

I’m Chinese, and I’m proud of my country. The current global trade system was designed by the U.S. and its Western allies—to serve their own interests. It was the U.S. that created the Bretton Woods system. It was the U.S. that promoted the idea of comparative advantage and free trade.

Now it’s ironic to hear complaints that Asian countries producing affordable goods—goods that helped build the American middle class—are somehow being "unfair." If America wants to tear up trade agreements and put the U.S. dollar’s credibility at risk, that’s its choice. But let’s see how long the U.S. can sustain itself if the dollar loses its status as the world’s reserve currency.
 
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Anker stuff hasn’t been cheap of late (they seem to have been displaced by Ugreen of late), but I find their quality still feels unmatched. The Anker-branded chargers and cables I purchased during the covid period are still going strong. Maybe the price could come down a little, but I can’t say I have had any issues with them.

I haven't brought any Anker stuffs, but I have couple Ugreen. They are pretty reliable.
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I have two of these and few of their USB-C hubs. None of them had any problem for at least three years now.
 
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