Zune has a great music service but how's Pandora or any other internet radio doing on your Zune? Audio Galaxy? Google Music? Amazon Cloud Music? iTunes Match, etc?

Sorry, it's not really a "better Ecosystem" unless your definition is different from everyone else's.
I don't use Pandora on my MP3 player, I'm one of those people who think's that a MP3 player, should just be an MP3 player, it doesn't need internet, it doesn't need a ton of Apps, it just needs to be a great music player. And my Zune HD is, and I'm not biased, I had a iPod mini for a long time, LOVED it, the sound quality was very good for the time, battery life was great. Apple had a great interface which they.....stole from creative but meh, loved it.
I don't care about the branding, I care how the product performs.
You may convince that it's better but iPods and iPhones in fact do have very nice measurable sound quality. What they lack is sound customization.
I'm not saying the iPhones and iPods have BAD souond quailty, but I've been more impressed by other products.
The star of the show has been my Zune HD, whatever hardware they used in that machine had to be very high end.
Again, no Bias, at the time. My iPod Mini had amazing sound quality for what it was.
So you have no argument other than an old farcical trite? You buy a swimming pool and what do you get? nothing, you get a giant soup bowl.
When I buy a swimming pool, I know what I'm getting. A big puddle of water

Apple advertises the iPad as some kind of desktop replacement it seems like, and thats a total lie.
iPad and other ARM-based devices are getting more capable every year. Some of things I can do with iOS devices are just mind boggling considering what we got with the first iPhone just 5 years ago. Macintosh was also a limited OS when it first debuted and was called a "toy". I don't know why you hate iOS with such passion. If it wasn't for i-devices, your beloved Macs might not even exist n
Maybe for you, but for me, I've been blown away for years and years and years, to the point where I'm j ust not anymore.
I don't think an ything I can do with an iOS device is mind boggling, my Tablet PC can do it all, and then some.
The Mac would be here with or without the iDevices, they just wouldn't be a massive company at this point in time. Which, as a consumer I don't care how much money Apple makes or how big they are. I give them money, they give me a warrenty and the product I want, and I walk away, I leave it at that. If they sell me garbage, like my 2011 iMac. I criticize, if they sell me something great, like my Pismo, I praise and say, wow, what a great computer.
I think things like the iPad could be so much better, and Apple won't do it in the name of profit, which is fine. Because they are a company, they don't care about you or me, just our wallets.
Look at Microsoft! They're bringing out the surface RT for the consumer, and the Surface Pro for people like me and business, why can't Apple make a OSX based tablet? I bet it would sell well.
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Lets talk about your Zune HD, how big is it's storage? Can you fit all your lossless files on it? No? That's MY point, I stated I have an iPod Nano and NOTHING can beat it.
My Zune HD is 64gb, and I update it every month or so after I get bored of its current selection
Yes, my Zune HD beats the **** out of your nano is sound quality, battery life, build quailty, and music selection ( 10 bucks a month for whatever I want )
You said it yourself, you have a big arse MP3 player with 320GB, is it bigger then the iPod classic? Because iTunes can do lossless as well if you rip off a CD.
Yes I do, and it sits in my car, and pretty much doesn't go anywhere else.
I have a VERY nice home audio system, and a very nice car audio system, I want to take advantage of those systems with good quality music.
And who was before Zune? And where is Zune now?
Who cares? I have a great product. And it serves its purpose very well.
I also notice you missed out my comments on the made for iPod system. So many devices are made to seamlessly work with an iPod now which again adds to the ease of use and the eco system.
Its an Mp3 player that plays music, where is the eco system again?
I'm sorry but no matter what you say, you cannot ever argue against the facts about the iPod and iTunes. You can try, but ultimately you won't win.
Maybe to you, but I want quailty, and value for my hard earned money. If you want to settle for overpriced crap, go for it.