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5 months before launch?

No chance.

They likely don't go into the initial production run until August.
Eith the estimated volumes, i thin it should be earlier, around June/July is my guess.
 
Eith the estimated volumes, i thin it should be earlier, around June/July is my guess.
Perhaps July, but part of the reason (IMO) for the shortages, is that Apple like to work on the device until the last possible minute, incorporating software and hardware combinations that otherwise wouldn't be possible if they finalised earlier.

[Edit] - iPhone 7 production apparently started late June: http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apple-has-finally-finished-the-iphone-7-report
 
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Eith the estimated volumes, i thin it should be earlier, around June/July is my guess.

And that's production with all parts ready and in stock to assemble a product. Because we were seeing actual production iPhone 7 components such as the screen by January of last year. So the design for the iPhone 7 was finalized way in advance and parts began churning out soon after.
That doesn't seem to be the case for this year's models.
 
I think Apple will wait for last moment to get this under the display even if it delays production
 
Don't you think the design is locked by now? You can't have the tooling to manufacture 20 million phones for sale in Sept or Oct and not have a finalized design, can you?
Designs are locked in July. Limited preproduction in late July, early August. Mass production starts in mid to late August. Lunch in mid-September. Ships out by late September is the standard time frame. But I guess iPhone8 will be delayed by around 60 days.
 
Touch ID on the back is fine. Really it will be a perfectly usable placement. The bigger issue I have is that they didn't make it in the Apple logo. It would have been so clean looking. Now it will have a circle in the middle of the back which looks worse.

I really wouldn’t call this “usable” in many real world situations. e.g I often find myself listening to music, replying to text, ect. with my phone lying flat on the desk… I would hate to have to turn my phone over in order to use the “convenient” Touch ID
[doublepost=1492719220][/doublepost]I'm really hoping this is one of many potential prototypes and this is not what they are going to go with. I think the touch ID on the back is a huge inconvenience.

If it turns out that this is the case and the Touch ID is going to be on the back, you can count me out on getting the new iPhone
 
Perhaps the drawing/schematic is just the frame , made from steal or alu to mount the soc , battery and other parts in the iphone. Perhaps it will be finished with a glass back cover. It would explain the round hole for inductive charging , but won' t be visible with the glass back covering it. Still doesn' t explain the apple logo cutout, since it won' t be visible with the glass cover, but could be used for a glowing apple logo, or touchid embedded in the logo? Long shot, i know.
But i remember even the iphone 4s had a steel frame inside, they did not mount the motherboard and soc on the glass back.
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If it made of aluminum yes u do need a hole !
also with stainless steel, i guess?
 



Yet another "iPhone 8" design schematic has surfaced today, this one courtesy of noted leaker Sonny Dickson on Twitter.

iPhone-8-sonny-dickson.jpg

The render shows an iPhone with a vertically-positioned dual-lens camera and Touch ID located on the back of the smartphone, as seen previously. It's likely one of several designs that Apple is considering, as multiple reports have said the company has been testing multiple iPhone prototypes this year.

Bloomberg in particular said one of the iPhone prototypes that Apple is testing has a "simpler design" with an aluminum back, rather than a glass one, plus slightly larger dimensions, and that description is consistent with this render. But, as mentioned, this might not be the design that Apple selects.The prototype measures 149.5mm tall and 72.5mm wide, compared to the iPhone 7's 138.3mm length and 67.1mm width, so the "iPhone 8" would be slightly larger than a 4.7-inch iPhone as expected should Apple choose this design. The dimensions are consistent with a previous design schematic leaked last week.

While a vertical camera is a more likely possibility for what will be Apple's highest-end iPhone, it's less clear if Touch ID will be integrated under the display, on the rear, or elsewhere. Last week, Cowen and Company analyst Timothy Arcuri said Apple is facing yield issues with its under-display solution.

One possibility is that the circular cutout on the rear is actually for wireless charging, rather than Touch ID, in order to avoid interference from the aluminum casing. KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said all three iPhone models rumored to launch this year will feature wireless charging.

The sides of the iPhone include the usual cutouts for the mute switch, SIM card tray, Lightning connector, speaker grille, and what is likely a second faux speaker grille. In line with the iPhone 7, there is no 3.5mm headphone jack, so don't get your hopes up about a surprise return of the legacy connector.

Article Link: Another 'iPhone 8' Design Schematic Shows Vertical Dual Camera and Touch ID on Back of Aluminum Casing
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Yet another "iPhone 8" design schematic has surfaced today, this one courtesy of noted leaker Sonny Dickson on Twitter.

iPhone-8-sonny-dickson.jpg

The render shows an iPhone with a vertically-positioned dual-lens camera and Touch ID located on the back of the smartphone, as seen previously. It's likely one of several designs that Apple is considering, as multiple reports have said the company has been testing multiple iPhone prototypes this year.

Bloomberg in particular said one of the iPhone prototypes that Apple is testing has a "simpler design" with an aluminum back, rather than a glass one, plus slightly larger dimensions, and that description is consistent with this render. But, as mentioned, this might not be the design that Apple selects.The prototype measures 149.5mm tall and 72.5mm wide, compared to the iPhone 7's 138.3mm length and 67.1mm width, so the "iPhone 8" would be slightly larger than a 4.7-inch iPhone as expected should Apple choose this design. The dimensions are consistent with a previous design schematic leaked last week.

While a vertical camera is a more likely possibility for what will be Apple's highest-end iPhone, it's less clear if Touch ID will be integrated under the display, on the rear, or elsewhere. Last week, Cowen and Company analyst Timothy Arcuri said Apple is facing yield issues with its under-display solution.

One possibility is that the circular cutout on the rear is actually for wireless charging, rather than Touch ID, in order to avoid interference from the aluminum casing. KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said all three iPhone models rumored to launch this year will feature wireless charging.

The sides of the iPhone include the usual cutouts for the mute switch, SIM card tray, Lightning connector, speaker grille, and what is likely a second faux speaker grille. In line with the iPhone 7, there is no 3.5mm headphone jack, so don't get your hopes up about a surprise return of the legacy connector.

Article Link: Another 'iPhone 8' Design Schematic Shows Vertical Dual Camera and Touch ID on Back of Aluminum Casing
i hate this
[doublepost=1492762653][/doublepost]I hate this
 
Ok, hold that thought till it's out. And ring me to remind me about this convo.

And let's be clear here. what you state as "well-stated thoughts" are that it looks like previous Apple hardware? What else would it look like?

Considering Steve is someone who is extremely familiar with part leaks, his take on the matter carries some weight. Of course a leak (being real or fake) is going to look like an iPhone.

Honestly, myself, I wouldn't be surprised to know that Apple likely has multiple prototypes in testing. Maybe one like this with Touch ID on the rear in case they weren't able to make Touch ID on the front work out. But prototyping at this stage still seems to be cutting it a bit close to likely announcement in September (or maybe not?)

Another recent update from Steve on this possible leak:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OnLeaks/status/855483785772716032
 
The difference is, a protruding camera does not affect the user experience other than looks. The Touch ID on the back totally changes the user experience. Big difference.

Again... I say if there is going to be one on the back... it's in addition to one on the front. That way you can easily use your phone from either side to use Apple Pay.

You don't think a wobbly phone sitting on a desk is part of user experience?

You don't think pulling the phone out of your pocket and the camera catching is part of user experience?

Just because it's not on the screen doesn't mean it's excluded from user experience.

"Oh just get a case then and problem solved"

A lot of users don't use cases nor do they want them.

The camera is just straight up bad design because the tech isn't there to make it as thin as the body.

I'd bet Jobs would never let that design go into production.
 
So current iPhone 7 plus cant take pics in portrait mode? Or do AR (Pokemon go)?

It is vertical so people know you have a new phone

No, it's not so that people know you have a new phone. It is because it is BETTER for AR and landscape photos. Just because it can currently do VR and landscape photos doesn't mean they can't make improvements.
 
No, it's not so that people know you have a new phone. It is because it is BETTER for AR and landscape photos. Just because it can currently do VR and landscape photos doesn't mean they can't make improvements.

Try turning your head sideways. Does your vision change? Better or worse? Or is it the same?
 
Try turning your head sideways. Does your vision change? Better or worse? Or is it the same?

That's a false equivalency. In order to properly shoot 3D, the two lenses have to be side-by-side. Having them side-by-side in landscape mode will enable better AR, and also allow the iPhone to shoot 3D for VR creation. It also has better depth sensing for better landscape photos.
 
That's a false equivalency. In order to properly shoot 3D, the two lenses have to be side-by-side. Having them side-by-side in landscape mode will enable better AR, and also allow the iPhone to shoot 3D for VR creation. It also has better depth sensing for better landscape photos.

A Nintendo 3ds can take a 3d picture with the two cameras in vertical or horizontal positions. Do you have evidence to show Apple's way is for technical reasons?
 
I can't remember where I saw it but I am positive I read it somewhere that the new iPhone would be voice activated.
 
A Nintendo 3ds can take a 3d picture with the two cameras in vertical or horizontal positions. Do you have evidence to show Apple's way is for technical reasons?

Again, I did not say it was MANDATORY, but merely that it works better. It's an iterative change that aims to slightly advance the tech for coming features and to fit with the majority of use cases.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Here...e-8-to-have-a-vertical-dual-cam-setup_id93555

Why exactly do you believe the current setup is the ideal positioning for the lenses? Do you honestly think they'd turn the camera simply to make the new iPhone discernable from the "old"? Changing the machining process for the case and the internals just for aesthetics would not be wise, as it would take away from the efficiencies of the "s" cycle phones.
 
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