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Yeah and they released the abomination of the Vision Pro lol.

Apple rode on the success of iPhone for a decade, and when the momentum dies, it not going to look good on them.


All of the new products: Apple Watch, Airpods, all of the services, are heavily dependent on iPhones. If a true paradigm shift comes and Apple is not in the boat. They are in big trouble.
Apple watch would sell more if they separated it from phone.
i think they want to tie watch to phone so that they can sell more phones.
 
Tim Cook needs to retire asap. Design is what made Apple love it or hate it. Just look what happened to Boeing when they prioritized profits and operations over design. The M2 MacBook Air feels cheap and has a plastic feeling compared to the older generations.
 
Hire Steve Balmer!

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His presentation was either the best or worst thing for his message, but it wouldn't hurt for someone at Apple that high up to really, really care about developers again.
 
Cementing Tim Cook’s caretaker tenure. Cook doesn’t care about design. He’s a bean counter. Of course the whole company reflects that now.

The best hope IMO is that Cook steps down and Apple promotes a visionary who values high end design, because the idea of Apple without a world class design team makes no sense at all.

Having Jeff Williams in charge of design at Apple is a bad sign. He’s not the right candidate for the job.

I agree but who's left? Name one visionary at any company anywhere anymore. That's why Steve was so unique, there's nobody left with (mostly correct) opinions that strong and the chutzpah to see them through.
 
Yeah and they released the abomination of the Vision Pro lol.

Apple rode on the success of iPhone for a decade, and when the momentum dies, it not going to look good on them.


All of the new products: Apple Watch, Airpods, all of the services, are heavily dependent on iPhones. If a true paradigm shift comes and Apple is not in the boat. They are in big trouble.

If they can be the company that finally brings real AI to the masses in a usable form, they'll be ok. Main problem with the iPhone today is that Siri is dumb as a box of rocks. It was bad five+ years ago when the Google Assistant app made it look bad on its own platform, and the ChatGPT app today makes even that look bad and Siri look essentially useless in comparison.

If they can turn that around and take Siri from a bad joke to a real helpful AI that works as well as they pretend it does, that's the boat to be on for now.
 
I’d say that the Vision launch and the emptying of their design team strongly suggests that they’re already in trouble. It’ll be interesting to see how much longer Tim Cook remains in the CEO position.
I think when people say Apple is doomed from years ago, they really were. But iPhone was too revolutionary that the momentum can just last that long.
An empire don’t fall in a day, but the trend can be noticed by some
 
Apple watch would sell more if they separated it from phone.
i think they want to tie watch to phone so that they can sell more phones.
I seriously could not understand how, a few years back, Apple thought service as a way to diversify their income.. They were just milking people who paid premium price for their devices. And if their devices is not worth it anymore, people will leave them along with the services
 
Well, the ugliness and lack of coherence in Apple's designs is starting to make sense.
They definitely have a more "designed by committee" feel than they used to, although I still think for the most part they are good design.

Curious if we have enough information to construct an organizational chart of all the design roles at Apple now. They all still report to the operations chief?
 
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They definitely have a more "designed by committee" feel than they used to, although I still think for the most part they are good design.

Curious if we have enough information to construct an organizational chart of all the design roles at Apple now. They all still report to the operations chief?
Lmao I doubt the designs still run through a committee. They are like college projects. The Human Interface Guideline was the first in the industry. And till this day, they don’t have a design system.

The camera bumps are not concentric to the curve of iPhones any more. It’s not like they are even designing anything new every year.
 
Lmao I doubt the designs still run through a committee. They are like college projects. The Human Interface Guideline was the first in the industry. And till this day, they don’t have a design system.

The camera bumps are not concentric to the curve of iPhones any more. It’s not like they are even designing anything new every year.

This. Tim Cook stopped meeting with Ive very soon after taking over the company. Ive was no longer seen as a key member of the team. That’s why he left. Since then all Apple has done is iterate on the same Jobs/Ive era designs over and over and over and over again.
 
I’m sure there are candidates out there.

That’s kind of what I mean though. Steve Jobs was never anyone’s candidate. He made people believe despite himself. I know that’s a high bar. But Apple set a high bar. Maybe I’m just getting old.

Maybe I just don’t see it because I’m so close to it in time but retrospectively he and therefore Apple had a vision of the future of computing that has now come true, and I don’t think anyone really knows what to do now. Nothing good, anyway.

And yeah, considering whoever it is now has to receive Cook and/or the board’s approval, not sure who that could be.
 
Maybe. But the bigger point is that Cook clearly does not understand design. If he did he wouldn’t have allowed Apple’s design department to basically wither and die.
So you're saying he would hold these people hostage and force them to keep their jobs? :rolleyes: I think the Apple Vision Pro is the best-looking headset on the market so I am not sure what you are saying about design.
 
This. Tim Cook stopped meeting with Ive very soon after taking over the company. Ive was no longer seen as a key member of the team. That’s why he left. Since then all Apple has done is iterate on the same Jobs/Ive era designs over and over and over and over again.
I felt like a lot of things are so obvious and logical, but people don’t realize it. Maybe I was the odd one out lmao.
 
Lmao I doubt the designs still run through a committee. They are like college projects. The Human Interface Guideline was the first in the industry. And till this day, they don’t have a design system.

The camera bumps are not concentric to the curve of iPhones any more. It’s not like they are even designing anything new every year.

And it seems it has been relegated to history. Really sad that they literally wrote the book on how to do this right, and have been outright defying that wisdom on the very platform that it was born with.
 
That’s kind of what I mean though. Steve Jobs was never anyone’s candidate. He made people believe despite himself. I know that’s a high bar. But Apple set a high bar. Maybe I’m just getting old.

Maybe I just don’t see it because I’m so close to it in time but retrospectively he and therefore Apple had a vision of the future of computing that has now come true, and I don’t think anyone really knows what to do now. Nothing good, anyway.

And yeah, considering whoever it is now has to receive Cook and/or the board’s approval, not sure who that could be.
People dreamt about what strange new products Apple can make, and they exceed imaginations. That was Apple’s peak.

Now people don’t even talk about how Vision Pro could be built differently
 
So you're saying he would hold these people hostage and force them to keep their jobs? :rolleyes: I think the Apple Vision Pro is the best-looking headset on the market so I am not sure what you are saying about design.
It’s good looking, but it didn’t have to be a bulky heavy headset. It didn’t have to be a better Quest3. It could be DIFFERENT
 
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