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Another Week, Another Mac OS X 10.6.3 (10D561) Seed For Developers

Bubba Satori said:
Anybody know when this Snow Leopard beta will be over?
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Apart from the sound output keeps resetting itself on the Mac Pro, it's just as stable (on my June 2007 MacBook Pro, a Early 2008 17" and 2009 Mac Pro) than 10.5 was.

If your having issues its almost certainly something to do with your setup.

If my 15" MacBook Pro works perfectly and the hardware inside it is working perfectly then its something to do with your software setup.
 
dsdevries said:
Can everybody just stop making these stupid expressions! Any manufacturer or retailer in any country is LEGALLY forced to use SI abbreviations correctly! You just aren't allowed to use SI abbreviations for a different meaning than is defined by the SI Standards. These SI Standards where defined long before the USA exists and also long before computers exists.

Also in many countries mainly in Europe, manufacturers and retailers may only advertise products using SI standards. This means that retailers cannot advertise their products with GiB since GiB is not an SI standard.

Example: you may not sell 400 grams of sugar and say it's a pound. And in Europe you may not even advertise like this: 1 pound of sugar for only 50 cents. You must say 500 grams of sugar for 50 cents, or 0.5 kg for 50 cents.
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Actually you are wrong on 2 points.

1. No company is "legally forced" to use SI, especially in nations like the United States (where Apple is located) where SI is not the standard unit of measurement.

2."These SI Standards where defined long before the USA exists and also long before computers exists."
Wrong. i know like most euros you are trying to bring the age of the US into it to bash america, but this is factually incorrect. SI was codified in 1960. USA existed in 1960, as did computers (though they were the size of rooms). The earliest beginnings of the metric system were in 1793 and wasn't adopted in France until 1799, while america declared its independence in 1776, so america existed before the metric system. Also, its not illegal to say a pound or a mile or such in europe, its just that most peope in europe use metric and wouldn't know what a pound or a mile was. Just like in america, most don't use kilometers or centimeters.
educate yourself please: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI

Now,that being said, can't wait for 10.6.3
 
Eidorian said:
CLI switches tread on thin ice for the mundanes.

I understand what you're trying to say but I can't see it happening any time soon. It appears to be easier to point people to the page on Base 10 vs. Base 2.
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I was assuming that it would be an option in the system preferences....

On the brighter side, no more incorrect explanations that your
new disk lost 137 GB due to "formatting".
 
dsdevries said:
Can everybody just stop making these stupid expressions! Any manufacturer or retailer in any country is LEGALLY forced to use SI abbreviations correctly! You just aren't allowed to use SI abbreviations for a different meaning than is defined by the SI Standards.
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CodArk2 said:
Actually you are wrong on 2 points.
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Actually, she's wrong on 3 points - KiB/MiB/GiB/TiB are in fact
SI standards.

Using MB for 1024*1024 is an incorrect use of the SI terms, the
correct SI term for 1024*1024 is MiB.

http://www.iec.ch/zone/si/si_bytes.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte


markm49uk said:
Er no it's not - if anyone should have changed then it's the drive manufacturers to bring them into line.

So annoying.
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You'll also have to change the CPU people (a 1 GHz CPU clocks at 1,000,000,000 Hz)
and the network people (a 1 Gigabit Ethernet runs at 1,000,000,000 bits per second).
 
Maybe Apple is delaying 10.6.3 to release closer to the Pwn2Own contest to try to patch up some of the security holes and leave contestants less chance to find new ones. Security updates don't usually received wide ranging developer beta test, so Apple could withhold the security fixes in the current betas to avoid giving prior notice. Pwn2Own isn't until March 24 though, which seems too long for 10.6.3 to stay in beta.

Eidorian said:
New video drivers are always a plus. I don't think Apple will address my ATI X1600 and GMA X3100 drawing weirdness though.
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http://developer.apple.com/graphicsimaging/opengl/capabilities/

It would be nice for the ATI X1000 series and GMA X3100 drivers to move to OpenGL 2.1 status since they both already support the extensions necessary for OpenGL 2.1 yet still report OpenGL 2.0. The nVidia 7000 series of the same generation already report OpenGL 2.1. That way developers can target OpenGL 2.1 directly and not have to check extensions for the X1000 series to streamline code.
 
CodArk2 said:
Actually you are wrong on 2 points.

1. No company is "legally forced" to use SI, especially in nations like the United States (where Apple is located) where SI is not the standard unit of measurement.
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please read carefully, i did not say that companies in all countries are forced to use SI. I said that if you do choose to use them, you ARE forced to use them correctly! Failure to do so is à fraud in every country, even in the USA! I did Say that it is not clever to not choose for SI because in most countries in europe vendors ARE forced to advertise their product using SI.

Actually, she's wrong on 3 points - KiB/MiB/GiB/TiB are in fact SI standards.
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No, they're not. They are IEC standards.

About usa's history, i was wrong. I'm sorry, i should not have said that.
 
I'm amazed at how unstable Snow Leopard has been for how Apple billed it as a "stability release." My Mac Pro has can't hold an IP address for even a day without restarting, Time Machine no longer works, and I have graphics distortion (wtf) under 10.6.2. My MacBook Pros have about 1/2 of the battery life they used to have, with each of them saying "service battery." I know all of this is Snow Leopard's fault because I've reverted to 10.5 to test on all of the systems and these problems disappear.

Little problems I can understand, but the IP issue and the battery issue are widespread and Apple has done nothing about them. If they're not fixed in this .3 release it's back to 10.5 for me until the next major OS release.
 
Eidorian said:
New video drivers are always a plus. I don't think Apple will address my ATI X1600 and GMA X3100 drawing weirdness though.
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Very disappointed to hear that! What makes you say so? Spaces, dashboard and exposé are largely broken on my Penryn Blackbook, and graphics glitches abound… :(
 
AidenShaw said:
Good - "everyone" is wrong, and needs to change. ;)

Some displays (mostly on Linux) give the option of binary
(and the labels are "TiB"/"GiB"/"MiB"/"KiB") and decimal
("TB"/"GB"/"MB"/"KB") when base 10 is chosen.

Have the option for base 2, but don't show it incorrectly as
"MB" or "GB" when it is "MiB" or "GiB". Match the labels to
the base.
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And quite frankly, I like having a 500 GB HD show up as 500 GB in Disk Utility. I wish Linux would adopt base 10 rather than denote everything with the "i".
 
cvaldes said:
To date, the most significant OS X releases were the first two (10.0 and 10.1), the one that supported the release of Intel Macs (whatever that was), and the one that followed the original iPhone (since iPhone OS was based on that version of OS X).
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10.4 is when Intel support came into the picture.
 
AidenShaw said:
You'll also have to change the CPU people (a 1 GHz CPU clocks at 1,000,000,000 Hz)
and the network people (a 1 Gigabit Ethernet runs at 1,000,000,000 bits per second).
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Which is how ridiculous the whole thing is. Networking is measured in base-10. Hard drives are measured in base 10 by manufacturers. Processor speeds (when Hz and not some other arbitrary number is used) are measured in base 10. Frankly, almost everything else is in base 10, from pixel pipelines to FLOPS.

RAM, however, is always in base 2 (even in OS X, and they don't bother using MiB or GiB).

I wonder if it will ever all converge.
 
zenmoused said:
I'm amazed at how unstable Snow Leopard has been for how Apple billed it as a "stability release." My Mac Pro has can't hold an IP address for even a day without restarting, Time Machine no longer works, and I have graphics distortion (wtf) under 10.6.2. My MacBook Pros have about 1/2 of the battery life they used to have, with each of them saying "service battery." I know all of this is Snow Leopard's fault because I've reverted to 10.5 to test on all of the systems and these problems disappear.

Little problems I can understand, but the IP issue and the battery issue are widespread and Apple has done nothing about them. If they're not fixed in this .3 release it's back to 10.5 for me until the next major OS release.
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You're either a troll, have a lot of faulty hardware or you're using a hacked disc.

I bought the family pack of SL on day 1 and upgraded all 4 macs in my house without any issues worth mentioning and have since been part of many more SL upgrades on iMacs, MacBooks, MacBook Pros and even a Mac Pro. Nowhere in the real world (and I work on IT and have to deal with a lot of Macs) have I seen these SL nightmares people talk about...

Except when their systems are loaded with a ton of pirated software and as a result just did upgrades rather than clean installs to try and preserve everything.
 
cult hero said:
And quite frankly, I like having a 500 GB HD show up as 500 GB in Disk Utility. I wish Linux would adopt base 10 rather than denote everything with the "i".
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Some commands have options to do base 10 - I alias those to make
base 10 the default.

For example:
  • ls -h --si
  • df -h --si (or df -H)
  • du -h --si
 
commander.data said:
Maybe Apple is delaying 10.6.3 to release closer to the Pwn2Own contest to try to patch up some of the security holes and leave contestants less chance to find new ones. Security updates don't usually received wide ranging developer beta test, so Apple could withhold the security fixes in the current betas to avoid giving prior notice. Pwn2Own isn't until March 24 though, which seems too long for 10.6.3 to stay in beta.
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Apple won't do that, they are not going to hold system updates just for some stupid contest. Secondly, Apple can release security updates at any point, they don't need to bottle it all up at once. Also you're assuming that Apple knows all the holes that the people at Pwn2Own has, so there's no way of Apple knowing that the update will fix all the holes. So it doesn't matter.
 
cult hero said:
You're either a troll, have a lot of faulty hardware or you're using a hacked disc.

I bought the family pack of SL on day 1 and upgraded all 4 macs in my house without any issues worth mentioning and have since been part of many more SL upgrades on iMacs, MacBooks, MacBook Pros and even a Mac Pro. Nowhere in the real world (and I work on IT and have to deal with a lot of Macs) have I seen these SL nightmares people talk about...

Except when their systems are loaded with a ton of pirated software and as a result just did upgrades rather than clean installs to try and preserve everything.
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If you truly work in IT you should know better than to jump to the conclusion that the OS is bug-free just because you've had a handful of good experiences. As the owner of a completely Mac-based company (we own about 60 of them) and a former Mac Genius, I assure you that these are OS problems and they are widespread. We rely heavily on our hardware and pay very close attention to its performance, hence the frustration we've been feeling since "upgrading" to Snow Leopard.

Lastly, I realize this is an anonymous forum, but the amount of accusations you managed to fit in your reply is just rude. Let's try some civility k?
 
zenmoused said:
I'm amazed at how unstable Snow Leopard has been for how Apple billed it as a "stability release." My Mac Pro has can't hold an IP address for even a day without restarting, Time Machine no longer works, and I have graphics distortion (wtf) under 10.6.2. My MacBook Pros have about 1/2 of the battery life they used to have, with each of them saying "service battery." I know all of this is Snow Leopard's fault because I've reverted to 10.5 to test on all of the systems and these problems disappear.

Little problems I can understand, but the IP issue and the battery issue are widespread and Apple has done nothing about them. If they're not fixed in this .3 release it's back to 10.5 for me until the next major OS release.
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Battery and graphical issues do appear to still be very common. I get 30 minutes less life under Snow Leopard compared to Leopard.
 
justinfreid said:
It was 107 days between 10.5.2 and 10.5.3 and it's been 107 since 10.6.2 was released, as of today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.6#Release_history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.5#Release_history
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10.5.3 didn't fix the crashes and functionality bugs with the iTunes dashboard widget, and I don't think 10.6.3 will either. I also doubt that the latter will fix the much more recent stack sorting bugs. Other than that they can do what they like ... except create more bugs of course. Graphics updates are definitely something to look forward to.
 
Better graphics drivers?

On another note... Does anyone think 10.6.3 will make either the 4870 or especially the 285 perform better? I have both but I use the Radeon. The 285 seemed nothing special over the 4870 from the start and in some ways worse. I'm still waiting to see if I was ripped off buying the 285 or not and have been waiting a long time for Apple to make it better.
 
Eric S. said:
There's no reason to assume the two are linked. Either release could happen first.
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Are you forgetting that 10.6.2 was linked with the i7 release in the 27" iMac. You can't say there is NO reason to assume that 10.6.3 is linked with another hardware update.
 
MikhailT said:
Apple won't do that, they are not going to hold system updates just for some stupid contest. Secondly, Apple can release security updates at any point, they don't need to bottle it all up at once. Also you're assuming that Apple knows all the holes that the people at Pwn2Own has, so there's no way of Apple knowing that the update will fix all the holes. So it doesn't matter.
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almost every security researcher approaches the company privately with all the details. The Pwn2Own contest is expected to have a lot of SL exploits.
 
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