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Any news on the non-glossy MBPs?

SDAVE said:
Go ask any professional about glossy screens. They'll give you a similar answer.
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Yes . . because all professionals agree that glossy monitors are impossible to work with. :rolleyes: It's about preference more than anything.

By your logic, if I were to ask a professional your 'glossy screens' question, they'd probably tell you that you shouldn't be using any laptop screen for design. You should be using a 'true' RGB monitor.

Also, if you haven't noticed, Apple is marketing to the masses (the average consumer), which is much more profitable than the classic designer or movie industry user. They're even gaining a bit of market-share.

That being said, your average movie industry user or designer is going to be using a tower with a separate monitor rather than a lappy. If the glass annoys you that much, buy the previous generation. There are also other laptops on the market, but I think you'll find nearly all of those also have glossy screens.
 
SDAVE said:
If you don't know by now then you are not a professional.
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I'm sorry for not realizing that all professionals use their computers in such unsuitable environments? I'm a "professional" within the actual definition and don't have a problem with my glossy screen. Maybe you meant graphics designers? People who use their computers in bright or different environments perhaps?
 
toxic said:
..the OP said he doesn't like glossy screens. It's simple as that. Why are you guys forcing it on him?



no he didn't, he said the the old 15" or the new 17" are his only options. Not exactly the same.
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true that. This whole "well I have a glossy screen and I like it, so what'ss your problem" crap is getting annoying.

I have a beard and it works for me, so every should just shut up and grow a beard.

To the OP. Sadly Apple has made uo their minds with the new glossy screens that are on the Macbook/pro and the new display. I highly doubt they will reintroduce a matte screen. We are basically left with 4 options
1) Switch brands (easier said then done)
2) Get the previous (early 08) MBP (Ok for now, but no upgrade path past this)
3) Hackintosh (Laptops are trickier, but it can be done)
4) Just deal with it (not a good option)
 
ManWithhat said:
Yes . . because all professionals agree that glossy monitors are impossible to work with. :rolleyes: It's about preference more than anything.

By your logic, if I were to ask a professional your 'glossy screens' question, they'd probably tell you that you shouldn't be using any laptop screen for design. You should be using a 'true' RGB monitor.

Also, if you haven't noticed, Apple is marketing to the masses (the average consumer), which is much more profitable than the classic designer or movie industry user. They're even gaining a bit of market-share.

That being said, your average movie industry user or designer is going to be using a tower with a separate monitor rather than a lappy. If the glass annoys you that much, buy the previous generation. There are also other laptops on the market, but I think you'll find nearly all of those also have glossy screens.
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Incorrect. A laptop is used to do quick drafts or do unfinished designs if you have a quick idea in your head. You finalize it on a workstation, which is why I have a professional Mac Pro setup with calibrated monitors. And no, print is CMYK, not RGB. There are dozens of high end LCD monitors out there for professionals (NEC, etc).

That was my whole point regarding Apple and their catering to the masses. They forgot their loyal base: designers. A lot of people do rough cuts on their laptops in FCP so I am sure they also will have a hard time with the glossy screens.

Please don't tell me what pro's use or don't use. I know what they use. I use what they use.

Yes, glossy screens are everywhere. I don't like it. There are many people like me out there, take a look.

Obviously I can either "take it" or "learn to live with it". The latter seems to be what Apple wants you to do lately. Shame, Apple used to care about us. Everytime a QuickTime update comes out, it breaks something that has to do with FCP.

Anyways, this thread shouldn't have went on this long. I was merely asking if there have been any talks about the new MBP's and matte screen options, some users had to get pissy about it.:rolleyes:

As far as defining what a professional is...I'll do a quick comparison here. Let's say Bob buys a $1,000 camcorder and starts shooting videos for the first time, while Jack has a $50,000 Panasonic Varicam setup and has been shooting for 20 years. Which one do you think is the professional here?
 
SDAVE said:
As far as defining what a professional is...I'll do a quick comparison here. Let's say Bob buys a $1,000 camcorder and starts shooting videos for the first time, while Jack has a $50,000 Panasonic Varicam setup and has been shooting for 20 years. Which one do you think is the professional here?
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:rolleyes: in disgust

Professional means, anyone who makes a living using their MBP
 
MysticMage said:
I'm sorry for not realizing that all professionals use their computers in such unsuitable environments? I'm a "professional" within the actual definition and don't have a problem with my glossy screen. Maybe you meant graphics designers? People who use their computers in bright or different environments perhaps?
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I am starting to sound like a broken record here, but umm obviously I meant professional graphic designers or anyone doing design/editing related work (higher end, daily routine).

synth3tik said:
true that. This whole "well I have a glossy screen and I like it, so what'ss your problem" crap is getting annoying.

I have a beard and it works for me, so every should just shut up and grow a beard.

To the OP. Sadly Apple has made uo their minds with the new glossy screens that are on the Macbook/pro and the new display. I highly doubt they will reintroduce a matte screen. We are basically left with 4 options
1) Switch brands (easier said then done)
2) Get the previous (early 08) MBP (Ok for now, but no upgrade path past this)
3) Hackintosh (Laptops are trickier, but it can be done)
4) Just deal with it (not a good option)
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Thanks for the reply. I'm saddened that Apple felt the need to drop the Matte screen, is there concrete evidence that they are truly going to discontinue it? I just want to see an article somewhere, if at all possible.

I think I have to go with your option 2 in January. :(

iVeBeenDrinkin' said:
:rolleyes: in disgust

Professional means, anyone who makes a living using their MBP
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Oh, a "Professional blogger" uses his/her computer more rigorously than a designer? The screen is THAT important to a blogger?

Please. Stop.
 
SDAVE said:
Thanks for the reply. I'm saddened that Apple felt the need to drop the Matte screen, is there concrete evidence that they are truly going to discontinue it? I just want to see an article somewhere, if at all possible.

I think I have to go with your option 2 in January. :(
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The evidence is in the Apple Store. All computers (excluding the 17" until it's updated) are all glossy. THe use of glass also kills any chance of matte as the glass itself is naturally reflective.
 
synth3tik said:
The evidence is in the Apple Store. All computers (excluding the 17" until it's updated) are all glossy. THe use of glass also kills any chance of matte as the glass itself is naturally reflective.
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You're probably right.

I could hold on for a few months, I have a Windows laptop for now (Don't ask), and will need a Apple laptop in a few months.

Just wanted to know if it's worth waiting or not. I have the money ready...that wasn't the problem.

I'll go ponder now.

Thanks for the advice.
 
Is this thread going the same way as all previous 46,659 matte vs. glossy threads? I really hope not.


Professional print designer, MacBook Pro, external matte display ;)
 
SDAVE said:
Oh, a "Professional blogger" uses his/her computer more rigorously than a designer? The screen is THAT important to a blogger?

Please. Stop.
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Don't be so narrow-minded. Web designers, computer programmers, system administrators, photographers, artists, etc. all use their screens. Yes, the screen is important to them, they look at it the entire time they're using the computer don't they?

I don't think most of the users get the whole snobby "I'm a professional designer" attitude that you seem to portray through your posts. We don't care . . really . . you're most likely a 15-year-old kid that doesn't like gloss. Anways, that's most likely why you're attracting negative attention. Just an FYI.

In fact, I actually prefer matte . . but don't be such an ass about it.
 
Blue Velvet said:
Is this thread going the same way as all previous 46,659 matte vs. glossy threads? I really hope not.


Professional print designer, MacBook Pro, external matte display ;)
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I think we are already past that. Thanks to the "take it how it is" attitude displayed by some of the users here. :rolleyes:

Professional print designers sometimes do work outside of their work place and they don't have an LCD and/or a power generator to lug around. And you're forgetting the new gloss only MBP Cinema Display.

ManWithhat said:
Don't be so narrow-minded. Web designers, computer programmers, system administrators, photographers, artists, etc. all use their screens. Yes, the screen is important to them, they look at it the entire time they're using the computer don't they?

I don't think most of the users get the whole snobby "I'm a professional designer" attitude that you seem to portray through your posts. We don't care . . really . . you're most likely a 15-year-old kid that doesn't like gloss. Anways, that's most likely why you're attracting negative attention. Just an FYI.

In fact, I actually prefer matte . . but don't be such an ass about it.
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Web designers, photographers, artists I agree with, but not computer programmers and system administrators. I doubt I am being portrayed as snobby, sorry if my posts come out that way. Maybe I should throw in a "lol" out there so you can take me seriously? :rolleyes:

The word "professional" seems to hurt people like you.

So it seems to me that only 15 year olds want a matte screen. Good job, you've just talked out of your behind just like the rest of them. Just an FYI.
 
I suggest that all those who are happy with their glossy displays please leave us matte-heads alone. Let us lick our wounds in peace, because we're currently on the losing end of an argument with Apple... well, until the new real ACDs are released. ;)

Those who like glossy displays have no need to rag on those who want to vent at the mo; you've got the display you want while we're left gnawing away at our fears that Apple doesn't care about us anymore. Stop for a moment and imagine how that feels.

Soon, we'll become like the headless Mac zealots, telling anybody who will listen that Apple really ought to do this or that, because otherwise they'll fail.

So please, pity us and leave us alone in the dark with our bitterness. And our matte displays. :D
 
Blue Velvet said:
I suggest that all those who are happy with their glossy displays please leave us matte-heads alone. Let us lick our wounds in peace, because we're currently on the losing end of an argument with Apple... well, until the new real ACDs are released. ;)

Those who like glossy displays have no need to rag on those who want to vent at the mo; you've got the display you want while we're left gnawing away at our fears that Apple doesn't care about us anymore. Stop for a moment and imagine how that feels.

Soon, we'll become like the headless Mac zealots, telling anybody who will listen that Apple really ought to do this or that, because otherwise they'll fail.

So please, pity us and leave us alone in the dark with our bitterness. And our matte displays. :D
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Now this deserves a huge "LOL!"

LOL!

*Applause*

Should I make a new thread titled "The official Matte screen lovers thread" so we can show our agony towards Apple and their decision not to have matte screens?
 
I have to jump in here and defend the OP. I am a graphic designer and I HATE the glossy screens. If you spent dozens of hours working in front of a screen looking at tiny details of a design, then you would know how important it is to not deal with reflections.
 
SDAVE said:
That was my whole point regarding Apple and their catering to the masses. They forgot their loyal base: designers. A lot of people do rough cuts on their laptops in FCP so I am sure they also will have a hard time with the glossy screens.

Please don't tell me what pro's use or don't use. I know what they use. I use what they use.

Yes, glossy screens are everywhere. I don't like it. There are many people like me out there, take a look.

Obviously I can either "take it" or "learn to live with it". The latter seems to be what Apple wants you to do lately. Shame, Apple used to care about us. Everytime a QuickTime update comes out, it breaks something that has to do with FCP.
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Dave, I'm not sure how long you've truly, if ever been a Mac user but most likely not nearly as long as I have. I've been around since Mac OS 8.5 (yes, I'm a true Mac user that didn't need the OS X/Mac prettiness to switch over) and I have watched Apple make choices year after year that have been questionable however each time they make a certain choice it ends up working for them.

You say that Apple doesn't care about us? Be honest with yourself man, you're just a customer to them, they've never been a friend to you or have a close relationship either. Yes Apple caters to the masses but can you blame them? They'd never make it they soley relied upon the legendary users alone.
Do you remember when the iPod and iTunes were Mac only? Well if it were only up to Apple it would still be that way but Apple needed a bigger customer base and that's why the iPod became compatible with Windows.
The Mac was always a joke to most Windows fanboys because only "Pros" or graphic designers or the very rich used them. Well the Macintosh was going nowhere until Apple switched over to Intel and now it's become the people's choice and no longer a joke. Apple is a company that has to please shareholders and needs to increase marketshare and most people (the masses) preferred a glossy screen and Apple's gonna cater to them since those customers will buy. Pros and graphic designers don't turn a profit for Apple.
 
Very well said HLdan. I am in no way a long time apple user with my early 08 MBP as my first mac and a black and white ipod as my first apple product but since i have gotten it i have loved it and have been looking back on the company and its slowly increasing market share. They are indeed a company and a bloody smart one at that. They are starting to seriously encroach on microsoft territory and who blames them? I say good for them for widening their horizons. I don't believe it would have been a smart move to cater only for it's core users, especially when they can do that while sticking it to microsoft and taking back the market place
 
I've read so many "matte vs. glossy" threads that I am surprised that this point hasn't been brought up:

Older CRT monitors. They were glass screens. Many had anti-glare/anti-reflection coatings.

Anti-glare...glass. Without a stick-on sheet of plastic.

Is it not feasible for Apple to put this same type of coating on the glass surface of the MBPs? It doesn't make sense to me that people say that glass inherently has to be glossy. If Apple chooses not to do it, I'm sure some company would be able to make a killing offering a third party solution, something like those tablet Macbooks that that one company sells. Either send in your existing unibody MBP to get treated or buy a new, treated one from them.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned this?
 
iVeBeenDrinkin' said:
Now, you are professing to know how I am using my MBP. As I said, I am in a well lit room. I am not hiding from any light, I have a 120 w lamp shining right over my shoulder. My MBP is in my lap. I see no reflection. If I hold the MBP right up to the lamp then, yes I do.
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Mind you, not only lights reflect off the screen. Are you honestly saying nothing reflects and it never annoys/bothers/disturbs you? If so, I´ll start drinkin´ more too.

iVeBeenDrinkin' said:
Apple has chosen to go with glass because of its recyclable properties which, I for one am happy to see. If that doesn't jive with you then, buy another computer or, something to dim the screen.
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Well, leaving out the glass would be even more environmentally friendly.
 
These matte vs. glossy threads are always so funny to read. I say live and let live. If you like glossy and it doesn't interfere with your work then that's good for you go get yourself a cookie, if matte is the only screen you can use then the new MBP is not for you and no matter how much you whine and moan Apple won't build you one with a matte screen. Case closed. Lock the thread now!
 
SDAVE said:
I am always somewhere with lights around me and the gloss will bother me (Graphic designer)
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I love how people trot out the "I'm a graphic designer so that's the reason why glossy is bad" excuse. I'm a print designer and AS3 programmer and there is nothing about this screen that would stop me from doing my job; maybe if I spent all my time outside, but I don't.

When I'm working on mine the screen is covered with light/brighter windows and interface elements so the glare really isn't noticeable.

Its fine to prefer matte over glossy, and you are perfectly welcome to your opinion (as we all are), but I'm adding this in case someone naively thinks that the glossy screen will in some way stop them from doing their work.

Besides, you really should be doing your color work on an external display.
 
synth3tik said:
true that. This whole "well I have a glossy screen and I like it, so what'ss your problem" crap is getting annoying.
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Just as annoying as the "its glossy so you can't do work on it rants."

Your four solutions are spot on, just buy an OldBook Pro to last you until the next styling revamp.
 
SDAVE said:
Web designers, photographers, artists I agree with, but not computer programmers and system administrators. I doubt I am being portrayed as snobby, sorry if my posts come out that way. Maybe I should throw in a "lol" out there so you can take me seriously? :rolleyes:

The word "professional" seems to hurt people like you.
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Okay, I was gonna let this go like the other 46,659 matte vs. glossy threads, but then you went there.

You agree with web designers, photographers, and artists, and you disagree with computer programmers and system administrators; but then you doubt you're portraying yourself as snobby? Why would you suppose programmers and admins don't really care what kind of screen they use, but people like yourself are allowed to be much pickier?

When you say things like that, it comes across as saying "I and others like me are too good for *________ (fill in the blank)."
 
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