Afaik the Intels do have garbage collection too. At least mine still runs very nicely after about 8 months.
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Any news on TRIM ssd implementation for OS X.
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Afaik the Intels do have garbage collection too. At least mine still runs very nicely after about 8 months.
Toshiba HG2 on new MBP´s
It seems that the new MBP 2010 SSD option is based on the TOSHIBA´s HG2 models. Does anybody know something about the highlights and benefits of those (128, 256 and 512 GB)?
It seems that the new MBP 2010 SSD option is based on the TOSHIBA´s HG2 models. Does anybody know something about the highlights and benefits of those (128, 256 and 512 GB)?
Or more importantly, if they do TRIM?! Meaning if Apple has switched from Samsung to TOSHIBA SSD's, and the Toshibas' have TRIM support, that may finally prompt Apple to include TRIM in OS X........
Question: Why is it that Apple does NOT use Intel SSD's anyway??? Apple is one of the very few all-Intel shops (no AMD cpu's), so you'd think they'd continue their All-Intel-ness to include Intel SSD's?!? Whats the down-low on why Apple is shopping around for non-Intel SSD's -- Samsung and now Toshiba....?? Even the new 2010 MBP's are back to stock [crappy] Intel GMA graphics (yeah, i know, cus NVidia cant make i5/i7 mobo's with integrated GPU's....)
Not really TRIM, but will it work for the time being?
http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/04/...e.write.speed/
http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/04/...e.write.speed/
The Toshiba HG2
The HG2 drive series also supports the TRIM command, you can see this article: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1230/1/
The HG2 drive series also supports the TRIM command, you can see this article: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1230/1/
Most likely because buying in bulk from a vendor that supplies both hard disks and SSDs gets them a bigger discount. It is cheaper to buy from Toshiba. [ being a large Flash vendor (Toshiba) and consumer (Apple) probably doesn't hurt discounts either, but that perhaps is a different subsidiary . ]
Apple doesn't shop for components that are on the ultimate bleeding edge of performance as the primary criteria. If something is not risky and good enough, they'll use it.
Allright, I know you're just one of those sorry people that wants to know more than everyone else and achieves that by making up complete BS, but this is going to far. The number of unratified standards that Apple adopted before anyone else and took from being a pipe dream in an engineers head to reality is incredible. Lets go through just a few, shall we:
- The Graphical User Interface
- The computer mouse
- Firewire
- Zeroconf (now called Bonjour)
- 802.11N
- mini Display port
If anything, Apple is more likely to adopt something that isn't a standard yet, but only if it's technology that has merit. So please do us all a favor, take your negativity back to the Windows forums where it belongs.
Blah, blah, blah....
Say what you want. But 5 of those 6 items you list Apple either developed, perfected, or needed to move new products forward. TRIM is different and not something Apple needs to implement to accomplish what they want in the marketplace today. It's a standard they can afford to wait on being finalized.
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probably the most garbage comment on this thread, makes no sense whatsoever... Wifi n was a standard they could afford to wait on, so?
I have a 256gb Stock Apple SSD
Model: TS256A
Revision: AGAB0202
I assume this is Toshiba by the TS.
When Apple comes out with Trim update, will this drive support it?
Or does this Toshiba drive support Garbage Collection? anyone know?
also notice this about the Background Garbage Collection:
http://www.hardmac.com/news/2010/05...rt-for-the-trim-command-ssd-flies-on-mac-os-x
Model: TS256A
Revision: AGAB0202
I assume this is Toshiba by the TS.
When Apple comes out with Trim update, will this drive support it?
Or does this Toshiba drive support Garbage Collection? anyone know?
also notice this about the Background Garbage Collection:
http://www.hardmac.com/news/2010/05...rt-for-the-trim-command-ssd-flies-on-mac-os-x
For those that mentioned reformatting the drive every 6 months and imaging the backup back onto the drive......are you just using disk utility from the Leopard Disk to reformat the drive? Or is there a specific way/program to use when doing this? Any help on this is greatly appreciated
Just a thought...
Since the purpose (as I understand it - which is always suspect) of TRIM is to reset all unused space to 0's so that it doesn't have to be erased prior to a write, has anyone tried a wipe utility like BCWipe to remove the data from the empty space?
Since you can define a custom wipe scheme, it should be possible to overwrite all the empty space with 0's.
Unless I'm missing something.....
Since the purpose (as I understand it - which is always suspect) of TRIM is to reset all unused space to 0's so that it doesn't have to be erased prior to a write, has anyone tried a wipe utility like BCWipe to remove the data from the empty space?
Since you can define a custom wipe scheme, it should be possible to overwrite all the empty space with 0's.
Unless I'm missing something.....
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...or_trim_support_in_future_ssd_based_macs.html
At last!
No comment about the time of implementation though.
Slow Apple...
At last!
No comment about the time of implementation though.
Slow Apple...
The AppleInsider reporter doesn't know what he's talking about. Trim support is not hardware dependent. It's driver dependent. So if older Mac models do not get TRIM support, it's because Apple has decided not to write a driver, not because the hardware doesn't support it.
It's worth following this thread at AI, lot's of information and knowledgeable posting there.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110486
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110486
It seems like 10.6.4 added some more SSD support.
Under 10.6.3, my 13" MacBook Pro (2010 model) identified the SSD drive correctly, but iMac 27" did not.
Now, under 10.6.4, my iMac 27" also correctly identifies the drive as Solid State, but still says "No" to TRIM support, just like the MBP.
This may mean that not only nVidia chipset drivers, but now Intel chipset drivers can distinguish between SSD and HDD.
Hopefully 10.6.5 will bring TRIM support as well.
Check out the attached image.
Under 10.6.3, my 13" MacBook Pro (2010 model) identified the SSD drive correctly, but iMac 27" did not.
Now, under 10.6.4, my iMac 27" also correctly identifies the drive as Solid State, but still says "No" to TRIM support, just like the MBP.
This may mean that not only nVidia chipset drivers, but now Intel chipset drivers can distinguish between SSD and HDD.
Hopefully 10.6.5 will bring TRIM support as well.
Check out the attached image.
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Did Snow Leopard used to have the "Trim Support" listed in system profiler? Or is that new to 10.6.4?
I thought so. I didn't really read through any release notes, what does Apple say about it? Anything?
Nothing, Apple does not list detailed changelog, just general for the public.
The question is, does anybody have TRIM support listed as yes? Like the Apple supplied SSDs.
TRIM isn't dependent on the SSD, it's a standard that SSDs with TRIM support will follow. The OS itself needs to be able to understand TRIM and issues it. It doesn't need specific drivers for each SSD, it only needs a driver for its chipset or more specifically the SATA controller.
I have OCZ vertex with trim support and 1.5 firmware.
Now i see the new specs with 10.6.4 and OSX show me no support ????
Hey Apple... c'omom!!!
Now i see the new specs with 10.6.4 and OSX show me no support ????
Hey Apple... c'omom!!!
1.6 FW is out, in case you didn't know.
It's likely they are just updating the System Profiler. I don't think I seen any TRIM enabled SSD showing YES in System Profiler.
We need SATA controller drivers to be updated with TRIM support or it is likely Apple will update the generic IOSATA kit to just enable TRIM. I'm not sure which way is possible. Nobody knows how far back Apple is willing to add TRIM support to, I'm hoping my '08 MBP will get it.