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Yeah right!
It's hardly jumping to conclusions, it's more of a jaded & educated assessment of the situation. And the point remains that 99% of these discussions are not from people who are 'backing up' their legally bought games, that's merely the pretense and the cover.
The industry does not lose millions upon millions worth of sales revenue each year from people 'backing up' their legally bought material.
So true.The industry does not lose millions upon millions worth of sales revenue each year from people 'backing up' their legally bought material.
Last I heard the Zelda hack lets you play homebrew games, not copied games.
And the point remains that 99% of these discussions are not from people who are 'backing up' their legally bought games, that's merely the pretense and the cover.
The industry does not lose millions upon millions worth of sales revenue each year from people 'backing up' their legally bought material.
You keep claiming 99%. I doubt it. I'm betting you're making it up, based on anecdotal evidence.
Where are these 'millions and millions?'. If you look to the numbers from manufacturers, they always seem orders of magnitude off. They have a vested interest in claiming as much as they can.
Jim Baen of Baen books has a site devoted to the reality of the situation, with eBooks. They offer books for free, and generally see an increase in sales afterwards: http://www.baen.com/library/
I just wish I liked more of the books they sell. Military Sci-Fi is not my favorite genre.
^ Yes I just pulled that figure out of the air somewhat (99% of those backing up) but the reality is people going to all the effort and loopholes to play copied games (modding/chipping their consoles, disc ripping software/tools etc..) are for the most part not doing so to play games they legally bought.
Look at the articles released lately about how rampant piracy is - thanks in most part to fast broadband, torrent & the internet, where even games developers of titles such as 'world of goo' estimate 90% of the copies of the game out there are non-legit.
Even EA's SPORE - the most pirated game of 2008, 1,700,000 torrent downloads in 3 months, which is 50% of the copies of spore out there in peoples hands.
In fact even Capcom's Svenson reports that 50% of copies of their own published games are generally pirates. At least on the PC side of things.
So whilst I will concede that there are indeed people who do want to backup their discs for their own purposes (even though most publishers will replace broken discs if sent back to them for a nominal charge $5/$10 - further weakening the argument for backing up), I will need a heck of a lot of convincing to believe that the vast majority are doing so for anything other than greed and quick gain.
Look at the articles released lately about how rampant piracy is - thanks in most part to fast broadband, torrent & the internet, where even games developers of titles such as 'world of goo' estimate 90% of the copies of the game out there are non-legit.
Even EA's SPORE - the most pirated game of 2008, 1,700,000 torrent downloads in 3 months, which is 50% of the copies of spore out there in peoples hands.
In fact even Capcom's Svenson reports that 50% of copies of their own published games are generally pirates. At least on the PC side of things.
So whilst I will concede that there are indeed people who do want to backup their discs for their own purposes (even though most publishers will replace broken discs if sent back to them for a nominal charge $5/$10 - further weakening the argument for backing up), I will need a heck of a lot of convincing to believe that the vast majority are doing so for anything other than greed and quick gain.
No offence to anyone especially not the person im qouting as i just thought it showed what I am hacked off about.
WHY THE HELL CANT I BACKUP MY DVD'S AND GAMES AND WHAT NOT?
Does someone want to explain to me why after I paid x amount of cash for a game i should just go and buy it again if i brake the disc? (I now have 3 c&c generals boxes 2 of whihc have f***** discs because i may or may not have paid enough attention to what i was doing?
Same with Vice City for PS2 of which I have 2 copies as well (allthough neither work)
This is why I started backing my stuff up because I really do not have the money to waste on thing I allready own? Let's face it when you buy something like a game or SW you are really paying for the SN to use it not the discs so let me back em up god damn it?
And why should I have to lug around 20 DVD's on a plane and watch my batterey deplete at 3 times the rate it would do just because their stupid copy protection wont let me copy the disc.
I have actually gone so far as to download illegally a DVD rip because I couldnt rip the disc i bought for £16.99 in HMV? Come on guys yes there are people that milk the system and just illegally download alltheir stuff but for those of us that do actually buy CD's DvD's and Games on either should shurely have the choice to backup those discs?
If anyone thinks i am lying through my teeth i will gladly take a few fotos to prove em wrong.
Ugh... bring on steam for mac itd make life so much easier imo
Damn
does EA do this? if so anyone got a UK link as I have quite a few discs i would like to send back due to them being utterly scratched to shreds
why is this the first time i have heard this?
Do you also expect replacement iPods for when yours gets damaged, or perhaps if your computer breaks out of warranty do you expect a full replacement?
Just because the media could be copied (illegally) doesn't mean you should. It's still protected by law. Just looking after something correctly is sufficient.
No I don't because Ipods can take normal wear and tear whereas disks can get scratched very easily. Hell Dvd's and cds are so fragile just cleaning them with the wrong cloth will scratch em ... which is why i only have ALAC files and only use CD's when i really want to fire up my audio gear.
Mind you I do see your point however I am just saying I dont see what is wrong with honestly backing up stuff you have bought as I said at least with SW its more about the SN than the actualy programs.
And when you fly on a plane do you bring a couple of DVD's with you just incase you change your mind on what you want to watch?
I don't watch films on the plane, I play my DS/PSP
But I do backup my games too. I keep my most recent PSP purchases on a 4gb memory stick so I don't have to put second thought into what to throw into my travel bag and it massively saves on battery life/load times. I used to do the same with the DS until it annoyed me that I couldn't copy the save files back across (obviously) so now my M3 is just used for Lemmings and Doom DS. I don't bother with PC (since I use Steam), Wii, 360 etc... backups since I keep the discs in good condition.
And I do have my films and most TV shows backed up to my iTunes. It's a massive waste having a DVD take up space on the shelf and on the HDD but it means I can sit back with the remote control and not have to get up and change shows/film when one finishes (yes that's terrible I know). But I'm not going to go out of my way to get around a heavily protected disc or lend my DVDs out to anyone.
But I do backup my games too. I keep my most recent PSP purchases on a 4gb memory stick so I don't have to put second thought into what to throw into my travel bag and it massively saves on battery life/load times. I used to do the same with the DS until it annoyed me that I couldn't copy the save files back across (obviously) so now my M3 is just used for Lemmings and Doom DS. I don't bother with PC (since I use Steam), Wii, 360 etc... backups since I keep the discs in good condition.
And I do have my films and most TV shows backed up to my iTunes. It's a massive waste having a DVD take up space on the shelf and on the HDD but it means I can sit back with the remote control and not have to get up and change shows/film when one finishes (yes that's terrible I know
). But I'm not going to go out of my way to get around a heavily protected disc or lend my DVDs out to anyone.
does EA do this? if so anyone got a UK link as I have quite a few discs i would like to send back due to them being utterly scratched to shreds
why is this the first time i have heard this?
Yep. Usually if you just look in the manual there is a support number for the country your in. A phone call later, explain the problem and the usual procedure is sending in your disc with cheque / postal order to cover the cost and they send you back a replacement disc.
I have done this with both Sega, Ubisoft and Activision in the past myself and it cost me £8-12 sterling approx each time (but that's with shipping back to Ireland).
EA! As for EA, this is in both SPORE & SIMS 2 manuals.
See
Why should I bother sending more money and not be able to play a game until it ships back just because the disk wore out etc? The bottom line is that it bugs you personally, so it doesn't matter if we do backups legally.
My wife and I play Diablo II, and we bought two copies. One of them was used, should that be allowed?
People keep bashing on MacRumorUser but like or not he is right. Vast majority of the people who say "Back up" games ect is pretty lose. They really mean Pirate it. Plan and simple. Like it or not that is the truth.
I have seen it way to many times the term back up be used in place of pirate. Not just on forums but in real life. People claim they modded the organial Xbox to back up there game or to just avoid getting them out of the case to play them. Reality is that meant they would pirate the games from friends or rent them then store them on the box. That is the truth.
Now I admit I would love to be able to store my 360 games on the HD and play with out the disk. Not for back up reasons but because I have a few favority games that I tend to go back to quite often and just rather not switch out the disk. I some where around 12-13 games for my 360 at this point in time.
I just say the "Back up" is a load of crap and everyone knows it. At least admit why you really are doing it. Like my reasoning above for wanting to do it- shear laziness and reduce the likelihood I lose the disk.
Currently my 360 is unmodded and it will stay that way.
I do find it sad that people come to forums like these to look for "help" on how to do it because they are to lazy to search for it themselves. I will say it took me less than 5 mins to find on the internet how to mod a 360 .....
I have seen it way to many times the term back up be used in place of pirate. Not just on forums but in real life. People claim they modded the organial Xbox to back up there game or to just avoid getting them out of the case to play them. Reality is that meant they would pirate the games from friends or rent them then store them on the box. That is the truth.
Now I admit I would love to be able to store my 360 games on the HD and play with out the disk. Not for back up reasons but because I have a few favority games that I tend to go back to quite often and just rather not switch out the disk. I some where around 12-13 games for my 360 at this point in time.
I just say the "Back up" is a load of crap and everyone knows it. At least admit why you really are doing it. Like my reasoning above for wanting to do it- shear laziness and reduce the likelihood I lose the disk.
Currently my 360 is unmodded and it will stay that way.
I do find it sad that people come to forums like these to look for "help" on how to do it because they are to lazy to search for it themselves. I will say it took me less than 5 mins to find on the internet how to mod a 360 .....
Discs are read using a laser so there is no wear and tear. The only time a disc takes damage is because of movement of the disc playing device whilst it's spinning or because of a faulty drive,or because people don't take care of their property.
Why should it matter if a disc was used previously? Second hand games aren't illegal.
Yes, you are quite correct. I just don't take care of my property.
It's still not illegal to make backup copies here in the US.
Really? Any links for this? Nintendo.com said that it was illegal to back up their games.
Last time I checked, Nintendo doesn't make US law. Do you have the link for US law?
That's what I was asking you for
But by using their software you agree to their EULA which carries its own laws too.
It is illegal in the US to make "backup" copies or any other type of copies of software. The EULA of EVERY console GAME IN EXISTENCE specifically says you cannot make copies even for backup or archival purposes.
You do not own the software, nor did you buy the rights to the software when you purchased the copy of the game. What you bought was a license to PLAY the game.
Read the EULA in any manual, read the one from the wii store, read ANY EULA and you will see that its illegal to make a copy, whether its for "backup" purposes or not.
So lets recap, there is the EULA you are binded to that prevents it, also you are in violation of the DCMA when you make this so callled "backup".
Some people make a living off this industry, would you like it if someone was copying your work and taking away from your well being? I don't care if you can't control your kids, nor if you have no responsibility to take care of things, its illegal to make a copy of a game or movie for ANY reason.
Actually in my Halo 3 manual it says unauthorized copying is illegal. And it is actually within the law to make a backup.
So backup away my friends.
The EULA you agreed to when you bought the game and the DCMA say its illegal, so under the law that binds to the EULA and the federal govt that enforces the DCMA its illegal. Stop trying to skirt the law with illegitimate excuses.
Or continue to skirt the law thinking you are in the right when you aren't. I sincerely hope you get sued, then maybe you will think twice before doing something illegal. Go steal a car off a car lot, its the same thing, you are STEALING.
Regardless of these stupid laws, making a backup of something you bought will not get you in trouble unless you hang a sign saying you did so or begin selling the backups.
DMCA, not to be confused with DCMA as e²Studios referred to, is the worst thing to happen to the world. It is restrictive, goes completely against copyright laws and tries to rule the world when it doesn't have authority to do so (I could go on).
And if backing up DRM stuff is illegal, than Apple, among many other corporations, condone illegal activities when they ask me to back up my purchased music.
And still goes back to the point that the excuse to mod the system to play a "Back-up" is a load of crap.
9 times out of 10 that excuse on a forum is to get around the rules of the board but at the end of a day they are trying to play pirated d games.
It is unethical and stealing. The stealing you are doing ends up costing me MORE money not less because they have to recover their cost. It also makes things more difficult for me. If thievery was not such a problem MS would have no problem letting people back up there system.
btw the link post above read farther down and it clearly states modding the xbox, 360, ect to play "back-up" games is against the law.
So backing up halo on another disk is pointless since it is illegal to mod your system to play it.
9 times out of 10 that excuse on a forum is to get around the rules of the board but at the end of a day they are trying to play pirated d games.
It is unethical and stealing. The stealing you are doing ends up costing me MORE money not less because they have to recover their cost. It also makes things more difficult for me. If thievery was not such a problem MS would have no problem letting people back up there system.
btw the link post above read farther down and it clearly states modding the xbox, 360, ect to play "back-up" games is against the law.
So backing up halo on another disk is pointless since it is illegal to mod your system to play it.