iPhone 15 Pro Anybody not interested in AI features?

[roncron]

It's hard to anticipate the use-cases A.I. will offer or the impact it will have on the job market. So far, I've seen no use-cases that I'd use more than as a novelty. But who knows what things will look like in a year or 5 years or 10 years.

I'm a college prof and many of my students use it to write research papers. It saves them the time of having to find good sources, understand them, synthesize them, and come up with their own original analysis. On the other hand, by not doing these things themselves, they are not developing skills that will make them more valuable to a future employer than ChatGPT is. It's like joining a gym because you want to build your strength, but having someone else do the exercises for you.

This is a concern. I should ask ChatGPT for advice.

 

[Wando64]

I've survived 49 years without needing AI. I reckon I can wait a bit longer.

To me it's like home automation: Nice in some ways, concerning in others, and doing fine without it.

I’ve survived many years without needing a personal computer and even more without needing a smart phone, however almost everything I do has considerably been enhanced by both these devices.
As for AI, many people still don’t fully appreciate what it could do for them (me included).
You might still go many years without knowingly using AI capabilities on your personal devices (you probably already use it to some degree), but you’d be much grateful for the input AI has played in developing the life saving medication that you might need in the future, or in detecting cancer in a scan much better than human eyes, etc… etc…

 

[Dozer_Zaibatsu]

AI is such a bs marketing term it's making me crazy. And all the people saying "I don't need it, I don't want it" also are.
You all use AI everyday, a lot but you just don't know about it. Because guess what, "AI" is there with us for years now.
You use the search feature in photos app? AI. You use google? AI. You use the autocomplete of the keyboard on your phone? AI. You watch recommended video on youtube? AI. Take pictures with your phone? AI.

I included my anecdotes earlier in this thread about my and wife's experience with AI and the VC craze and why I think it's a buzzword that doesn't work.

But what you're doing here is making it very easy to conflate persons like myself — who have pointed, specific issues with the credulous VC investors — with Boomers and their Jitterbug phones.

I've been pointing out for quite a while that all we can see of practical AI is the same model we've seen in Photoshop in the 90s and spellcheck, everything making dynamic movement in video games, etc, all in play since the 90s.

I use ChatGPT and Siri all the time. I think they're great for what they are. ChatGPT is the best improvement to web search since I was a cheese-eating high school boy. I can interact and get assistance with my code and get quick answers to stupid questions without having to wade through the comic-book-guy snark of Stack Exchange.

So for those of you that fall into the marketing bs I cannot blame you. But deciding to have a strong opinion about something you don't understand is kinda sad but I guess is just human nature. Being afraid of the unknown.

But rest assured it's the same thing you used and liked for years, only with a new scary name on it. So put down the forks, no super intelligence is going to take your job away or farm humans as batteries.

I'm waiting for someone to describe to me why, specifically, my computer needs an NPU, specifically, and an app like co-pilot running constantly? If I say it is a marketing gloss for surveillance, where am I wrong? An AI "assistant" is not going to be able to help me without gathering a lot of data on me. As much as I would like to have an R2-D2 following me around and doing errands, we're a long way from that.

As it is, active AI like predictive text in Outlook is something I can only put up with so long before it becomes useless. While it can predict stock phrases, while it can help with spelling, it can't do my work for me in formulating what I am saying in doing work.

So far everything I can do usefully with interactive AI is something I can get from asking through a browser. Which works fine as it is, which works fine on my ten year-old Dell as well. Siri works, but we know it relies on leveraging servers. She's useless when I don't have a signal.

Consider if this question was asked in 1995: “anyone not interested in the internet?”

I can't wait for this analogy to die. Used by every apologist for credulous Silicon Valley VC ideas for the IOT era. Sooner or later, those of us with fridges not connected to the internet will be the weird ones! Sure we will! Any day now!

Picture someone in 2006 saying "anyone not interested in the Zune?"

Picture someone in 2009 saying "anyone not interested in a 3D television?"'

How's that Ford Lightning doing?

And chalk it up to useful AI. I had to ask Brave what year the Zune came out.

 

[JuicyGoomba]

I included my anecdotes earlier in this thread about my and wife's experience with AI and the VC craze and why I think it's a buzzword that doesn't work.

But what you're doing here is making it very easy to conflate persons like myself — who have pointed, specific issues with the credulous VC investors — with Boomers and their Jitterbug phones.

I've been pointing out for quite a while that all we can see of practical AI is the same model we've seen in Photoshop in the 90s and spellcheck, everything making dynamic movement in video games, etc, all in play since the 90s.

I use ChatGPT and Siri all the time. I think they're great for what they are. ChatGPT is the best improvement to web search since I was a cheese-eating high school boy. I can interact and get assistance with my code and get quick answers to stupid questions without having to wade through the comic-book-guy snark of Stack Exchange.



I'm waiting for someone to describe to me why, specifically, my computer needs an NPU, specifically, and an app like co-pilot running constantly? If I say it is a marketing gloss for surveillance, where am I wrong? An AI "assistant" is not going to be able to help me without gathering a lot of data on me. As much as I would like to have an R2-D2 following me around and doing errands, we're a long way from that.

As it is, active AI like predictive text in Outlook is something I can only put up with so long before it becomes useless. While it can predict stock phrases, while it can help with spelling, it can't do my work for me in formulating what I am saying in doing work.

So far everything I can do usefully with interactive AI is something I can get from asking through a browser. Which works fine as it is, which works fine on my ten year-old Dell as well. Siri works, but we know it relies on leveraging servers. She's useless when I don't have a signal.



I can't wait for this analogy to die. Used by every apologist for credulous Silicon Valley VC ideas for the IOT era. Sooner or later, those of us with fridges not connected to the internet will be the weird ones! Sure we will! Any day now!

Picture someone in 2006 saying "anyone not interested in the Zune?"

Picture someone in 2009 saying "anyone not interested in a 3D television?"'

How's that Ford Lightning doing?

And chalk it up to useful AI. I had to ask Brave what year the Zune came out.

The best thing about AI is that CoPilot has finally brought attention to all the shady things MS does with Windows 11.

I hope their EU fine is 10x that of Apple's.

 

[TgeekB]

It's hard to anticipate the use-cases A.I. will offer or the impact it will have on the job market. So far, I've seen no use-cases that I'd use more than as a novelty. But who knows what things will look like in a year or 5 years or 10 years.

I'm a college prof and many of my students use it to write research papers. It saves them the time of having to find good sources, understand them, synthesize them, and come up with their own original analysis. On the other hand, by not doing these things themselves, they are not developing skills that will make them more valuable to a future employer than ChatGPT is. It's like joining a gym because you want to build your strength, but having someone else do the exercises for you.

This a concern. I should ask ChatGPT for advice.

So, they are plagiarizing. Not their own work. Sad.

 

[TgeekB]

I’ve survived many years without needing a personal computer and even more without needing a smart phone, however almost everything I do has considerably been enhanced by both these devices.
As for AI, many people still don’t fully appreciate what it could do for them (me included).
You might still go many years without knowingly using AI capabilities on your personal devices (you probably already use it to some degree), but you’d be much grateful for the input AI has played in developing the life saving medication that you might need in the future, or in detecting cancer in a scan much better than human eyes, etc… etc…

Detecting things in scans is not anywhere close to being reality. While AI can detect things, do you want your loved one diagnosed by AI or a specialist who has spent years in their profession diagnosing disease? It can aide certain imaging scans but those scans will still be reviewed and signed off by a real person as they should be.
AI may be able to assist with certain processes but it is no where ready to take over human abilities.

 

[stingazg]

I'm not necessarily one for the AI features, I am looking to see how it would improve Siri but using the AI on a day-to-day basis, I probably won't. Now I don't know how much more I will use Siri going forward but it would be good to see some improvements

 

[eoblaed]

I'm not interested in Apple Intelligence, just because it seems so behind all the competition.

A tool to rewrite e-mails? Image Playground? A better voice assistant? Most third-party AI services will give you all that and more, and you won't need to get a new phone either. Maybe someday, Apple Intelligence will be genuinely competitive in the AI space, but right now, unless you really like Siri, there's not much to look forward to with Apple's AI efforts.

Of all the Apple Intelligence stuff, Siri is only one of many components. While I'm interested in what Siri will become, there are so many other cool features and benefits I'm looking forward to.

And, sure. There are tools out there to do some of the things listed here, but they are third party tools that don't integrate well with the rest of your setup and they don't do things on device -- this is a huge distinguishing feature. For me, having an AI personal assistant that is able to do its work on device is a big selling feature.

I use AI in my career on a daily basis. It's not just a chat bot for me and has been quite valuable. The 18.1 betas, while only showcasing just a couple of the Apple Intelligence features so far, have been nice. The email and notification summaries are a nice enough time saver that when I use a device that's not running a beta and I don't have those summary breakdowns, I notice their absence.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It does make me laugh that Apple is essentially selling to us that AI will improve Siri, like they’ve known just how bad it’s been for 12 years while they watched the likes of Amazon come in late and do it much better lol. A bit of a long overdue pee take if you ask me.

 

[Just_Kevin]

I’m interested in improvements in Siri. I’m not seeing enough now to justify a new phone yet though. I currently have a 14 Pro. My iPad Air and MacBook both should get AI, so I can see how useful/useless it is on those devices.

 

[sourdoughjosh]

I thought it would be really dumb, but so far I've actually been finding some of the initial Apple Intelligence features kinda nice in the beta. To my pleasant surprise, the automated summaries for both notifications and emails/texts (especially long, multi-person exchanges) have been the most useful (Providing a notification popup that contains a 1-2 sentence summary of an entire email or text exchange). This also extends to other apps, so for example a social media post pop-up on Instagram or TikTok will now show up saying something like "Jen posted a picture of a person with a bandage on their head".

 

[Wando64]

Detecting things in scans is not anywhere close to being reality. While AI can detect things, do you want your loved one diagnosed by AI or a specialist who has spent years in their profession diagnosing disease? It can aide certain imaging scans but those scans will still be reviewed and signed off by a real person as they should be.
AI may be able to assist with certain processes but it is no where ready to take over human abilities.

Of course we still have humans signing off scans, however this article explains better than I can:

AI and Cancer

Advances in technology and access to large volumes of data have converged, leading to promising new applications of AI in cancer research and care.

www.cancer.gov

... and this only deals with Cancer, whereas AI is utilised in all fields of medicine.

AI might not take over human abilities, but it does help improve outcomes.

 

[4sallypat]

Not expecting much with AI using the 8GB RAM iPhone 16.

Will wait till it's fully usable on the device without having to talk to AI cloud servers....

 

[TgeekB]

Of course we still have humans signing off scans, however this article explains better than I can:

AI and Cancer

Advances in technology and access to large volumes of data have converged, leading to promising new applications of AI in cancer research and care.

www.cancer.gov

... and this only deals with Cancer, whereas AI is utilised in all fields of medicine.

AI might not take over human abilities, but it does help improve outcomes.

We don’t know yet if it will improve outcomes. That certainly is our hope but AI is having issues with teaching itself with disinformation. We do not have a clear picture of what it has learned or is thinking.
My point is we are not even close to trusting it. Especially with our lives. I will take a skillfully trained specialist over AI to diagnose a disease I or a loved one may have. I have been in healthcare for 30 years and have seen EMR’s, that were supposed to make our professions easier, turn them into a click on an keyboard instead of human interaction.

 

[dk001]

It isn’t that I am anti-AI, rather what is being touted as AI I really have minimal use for.

Being on the beta train (Apple), I take the time to play around with the pieces as they roll out. I have AI (as it is) on my S24 Ultra. Day to days use is minimal at best. If that much.

 

[dk001]

As you've demonstrated, the quality of the prompt is still a heavy factor in the usefulness of the response. Garbage in, garbage out.

Cool. Announcing GiGoAI 😇

 

[dk001]

It seems about 99% of people I see bragging about AI are developers. That's fine, but that doesn't mean the tool works well in other industries.

I work in clinical healthcare, and we're explicitly told to not use AI for anything, for accuracy, privacy and the like. The domains are even blacklisted on my company's network. Being close isn't an option when doing dose medication calculations, and someone needs to be a legally responsible party for the data I am using. AI offers zero guarantees, and it doesn't even offer references for me to the check the work.

Regulated, Validated Environment, AI is a non-starter. Then add in HIPPA and other similar privacy protections. That makes it a definite No.

 

[Wando64]

We don’t know yet if it will improve outcomes. That certainly is our hope but AI is having issues with teaching itself with disinformation. We do not have a clear picture of what it has learned or is thinking.
My point is we are not even close to trusting it. Especially with our lives. I will take a skillfully trained specialist over AI to diagnose a disease I or a loved one may have. I have been in healthcare for 30 years and have seen EMR’s, that were supposed to make our professions easier, turn them into a click on an keyboard instead of human interaction.

We all have opinions, but did you read the official US government page I linked?
They seem to be pretty certain about it, but hey, what do I know.

 

[KooL BeAnZ]

I just imagine it draining the battery and at the moment, it’s not a must have feature for me.

I will turn it off most likely and not use it.

I’ve never used Siri apart from asking “what song is this” a few times.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

This is a very interesting discussion with many different points of view. I too am curious as to how the next several years will evolve and how AI may (or may not) develop and impact our lives.

 

[dk001]

This is a very interesting discussion with many different points of view. I too am curious as to how the next several years will evolve and how AI may (or may not) develop and impact our lives.

I wonder what AI will look like after several years.

 

[TgeekB]

We all have opinions, but did you read the official US government page I linked?
They seem to be pretty certain about it, but hey, what do I know.

The Government was the one that forced clinicians to go to electronic medical records. While it is good at collecting data (and billing) it has pulled clinicians away from the bedside (and patients) and sat them in front of a computer where they are forced to click boxes. It has taken much of the human element away from healthcare. So, no, I did not read the government page you linked because I already know what they are pushing (reducing clincians thus saving money). If you want to completely lose the human element of healthcare then believe what they are selling, sit back and watch and reap the “benefits”.
This is just my humble opinion of course.

 

[splifingate]

or a specialist who has spent years in their profession diagnosing disease?

I take it that you've not been exposed to the Healthcare System in the past decade?

 

[dmr727]

I'm not a luddite, but so far I'm not seeing anything that makes me care enough to make a purchasing decision based upon it. It'd be nice to see Siri not suck, but I'm not convinced we'll see much improvement there. "Siri, lower volume." "Working on it...."

 

[klky]

I'm interested from the standpoint that I'd at least like to hear what Apple has to say about it. Otherwise pretty indifferent if I'm being honest.