iPhone 15 Pro Anybody not interested in AI features?

[Samuel MacBird]

Apple Intelligence is the right take on developing an AI assisted device (or workflow?)

It should be somewhat implicit, not that you're frequently interact with. For example, searching a photo of your cat or a photo with a text in it on your device. You just do your regular search, not think about AI-magic-wand, you just search and it's there.

Notification prioritization or summaries, smart reminders, etc would be a good, implicit/embedded use of AI.

Essentially we don't need LLMs on the go. It's a burden to get a proper response while crafting the right prompt. However, when we work on a desk, and producing something, then we use them as better search engine to replace Google.

Coming from this angle, yes could help me a lot. Not a buying decision factor, but a nice selling point. I'll be coming from 11 Pro, so I'll be upgrading anyway.

 

[ignatius345]

The "generative" stuff leaves me cold. I don't want to offload my communication skills to a robot so they can atrophy.

On the other hand, anything that can cut down the time I need to do dumb stuff manually will be welcome. I would love for it to be in a place where I can reliably say "find an easy hike for next weekend within an hour's driving distance" and have it actually work.

 

[bluespark]

I do not need or want AI. It's possible that a particular AI feature will be useful, but I'm skeptical. Maybe I'll change my mind when I see the new phones, but at this point, I'm inclined to stay on my 14 Pro for another year -- it would be my first time waiting three years for a refresh.

 

[bluespark]

What we have now is not AI.

It's a crappy tokenizer and statistical inference network that outputs something stupid people haven't worked out is stupid yet. This is all powered by an investment mill and hype engineering operation like no one has ever seen before.

Quick example.

It's impossible to have a 10uH capacitor (it should be 10pF) and a 22pF inductor also makes no sense (22uH it should be). Also 1THz is a frequency which is waaaaay outside any reasonable model where a lumped element circuit even makes sense to reason about.

An EE tutor / engineer would roll up a newspaper, hit you round the back of the head and tell you to stop being a dumbass.

CoPilot answers you authoritatively while completely misinterpreting the question and giving you an answer which has no meaning at all.

It's hopeless.

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We're seeing this in law as well. Legal questions to AI results in answers full of pseudo-legalese but which evidence no understanding of the source material and frequently interpret it incorrectly (sometimes egregiously so). I would have a hard time recommending anyone use it to answer legal questions at present.

 

[ApAx]

Not interested here. I can write my own emails and don’t need to generate “creative content”. Like others, I just need a more reliable Siri for conversation-style interaction for information requests and home automation.

 

[applepotato666]

Mostly interested in the writing tools and I'm sure Google will update Gboard to include that functionality at some point down the line. I don't talk to Siri because it sucks and likely will continue to given Apple's track record. Perhaps the new "reduce interruptions" focus mode and notification summaries is what I'd want on my iPhone and no third party can do.

 

[avheatherim]

Oh, that's probably impossible. Bias in the dataset, bias in the algorithm, bias in the user interpretation of the response. If it was created by humans, it will have a bias.

I'm just surprised at how not-extreme these AIs seem, considering these models were trained on the internet and the opinions posted to it.

True, but they are purposefully injecting and soliciting it (pay us and we promote your content). 😕

 

[Velli]

Except rumor has it that Apple Intelligence will one day be subscription-based. Even if that turns out to be false, I would still hope AI would be opt-in and not just ubiquitously “there”. I wouldn’t mind using it for personal and creative things. But it would take some convincing (as it stands now, anyway) to use it for official purposes. It is based on the internet after all, and from what I understand, SEO.

I don’t believe that rumour, so I will ignore that. Apple may introduce subscriptions to services that are powered by AI, but not a subscription to AI itself. That’s not how Apple thinks.

There will be a transition period. But before long, the line you are trying to draw won’t exist. It’s happening as we speak. People are seriously discussing what an unaltered image even is at this point. What if the phone uses on-device AI to generate better pictures straight at the source. Is it now an AI altered picture?

Also: Even if you won’t use AI for business purposes, your competitor will. Now what are you going to do?

You are creating a powerpoint to present to your colleagues. Some of the artwork you chose was designed by someone in Marketing, using AI. Does that mean you created a powerpoint with or without AI?

This goes on a political level as well. US and EU legislators are debating whether and how to put a brake on AI, because it’s too uncertain. OK - do you believe China will slow down?

Mark my words, in 5 years you can choose between using AI in some form or another, or not using computers. It’s just that people’s scope of what AI will become is limited by their understanding of what it is today.

 

[Velin]

Mark my words,

Marked.

 

[TgeekB]

Didn’t they say something similar about television back in the day? 🙂

And they were right!

 

[kp98077]

AI can be obtained in google searches or apps right? So not sure what the big deal is on the iphone? Apple should be more forward thinking, however!

 

[Undo]

Apple may introduce subscriptions to services that are powered by AI, but not a subscription to AI itself.

I stand corrected. But honestly, the only thing that would concern me about AI is NOT being able to draw a line. (That, and hurting its feelings! 🙂)

 

[teh_hunterer]

I'm excited for the current AI features to be made more powerful or more useful. Things like Siri being easier to talk to, understanding context, notification summaries being more useful, calendar integration being better. Maybe Siri can even use her inside voice if I talk to her quietly, or respond louder if I'm shouting to her across the room. I'd also like Siri to provide better answers than "here's what I found on the web". I'm not even talking about complex questions - just tell me when my football team is playing instead of saying "here's what I found on the web".

I'm not at all excited for the kind of features that are generating hype online.

 

[Zdigital2015]

I keep hearing about how the 15 is out of date as it will have no AI. Sure it will be the selling point in a video but I never use Siri. In a few years when foldable and better cameras come AI will just be there as a feature as standard for those who wish to use. Don’t see it being a main feature I read even Apple don’t think it will be a selling point earlier in year?

I have a 15 Plus, so no AI for me. I will try it on my M1 iPad Pro and if I find the features useful, I’ll make a decision about updating my iPhone. At this point, it’s time for everyone to anticipate a long slow burn with AI, as Apple knows that a majority of their biggest customer (iPhone) base cannot run it. They cannot introduce features too quick and risk alienating their base. If Siri became actually useful then I would be more interested. Prepare yourselves accordingly.

 

[yustas]

You're probably using the free model? 1.5 Flash? Try 1.5 Pro.

Apple is not going to use Copilot or Gemini. But even if they did, it's better than nothing. Nobody has ever won by avoiding or denying progress.

 

[teh_hunterer]

What we have now is not AI.

It's a crappy tokenizer and statistical inference network that outputs something stupid people haven't worked out is stupid yet. This is all powered by an investment mill and hype engineering operation like no one has ever seen before.

CoPilot answers you authoritatively while completely misinterpreting the question and giving you an answer which has no meaning at all.

It's hopeless.

You're absolutely right. That's why I'm only really interested in how Apple Intelligence makes the existing interactions with the device better. When I ask "when does my football team play next week?" I want it to give me an answer better than "here's what I found on the web". Or I just want Siri to have more contextual understanding of what I'm asking for. I think things like this are decently exciting because they provide tangible benefit.

But all of this mega hype around "AI" is ridiculous.

 

[Velli]

I stand corrected. But honestly, the only thing that would concern me about AI is NOT being able to draw a line. (That, and hurting its feelings! 🙂)

I 100% agree with you, but sadly I am less optimistic that it will be possible.

 

[Velli]

What we have now is not AI.

It's a crappy tokenizer and statistical inference network that outputs something stupid people haven't worked out is stupid yet.

Agreed. But I’m not worried about AI getting smart. I’m worried about the amount of stupid people. Imagine the intelligence of the average person. Half of the population is less intelligent than that. If a stupid AI can trick that half, just enough that you can get a dollar out of them, either directly or getting them to watch your ad, you’re in business.

If you are in doubt how big business, take a look at Facebook. The sheet amount of junk is incredible, and AI haven’t even really kicked in there yet. But still Facebook is one of the biggest corporations in the world. There’s value in High amounts of crap.

Consider how many posts you will find of either an obviously fake image, or just a simple, false statement. Some of those have millions of views, and hundreds of thousands of comments where people state that the information is false. Which is the whole point - lure you into reacting. What do you think the value is in one more person pointing out that 2+2 is not 5? None. Yet, someone is earning money from people’s engagement with that statement. Compare that to your example of hertzs and henrys and farads.

The problem will be the signal to noise ratio. Yes, you will be outsmarting AI. But will anyone see you above the noise?

 

[Velli]

You're using CoPilot, that's why.

Try again with Gemini and it'll slap you with a roll of electronic newspaper.

 

[cjsuk]

Agreed. But I’m not worried about AI getting smart. I’m worried about the amount of stupid people. Imagine the intelligence of the average person. Half of the population is less intelligent than that. If a stupid AI can trick that half, just enough that you can get a dollar out of them, either directly or getting them to watch your ad, you’re in business.

If you are in doubt how big business, take a look at Facebook. The sheet amount of junk is incredible, and AI haven’t even really kicked in there yet. But still Facebook is one of the biggest corporations in the world. There’s value in High amounts of crap.

Consider how many posts you will find of either an obviously fake image, or just a simple, false statement. Some of those have millions of views, and hundreds of thousands of comments where people state that the information is false. Which is the whole point - lure you into reacting. What do you think the value is in one more person pointing out that 2+2 is not 5? None. Yet, someone is earning money from people’s engagement with that statement. Compare that to your example of hertzs and henrys and farads.

The problem will be the signal to noise ratio. Yes, you will be outsmarting AI. But will anyone see you above the noise?

100% agree.

This was my initial worry with the technology. It reduces information to garbage and produces a lot of it thus reducing the signal to noise ratio to something indistinguishable.

The first thing I did when I started this was buy stacks of books before they turn to garbage as well.

 

[NUFC2025]

I can’t use this on the iPhone I have which in my opinion is a good thing. I won’t want it in the future as well as I have survived 64 years on this planet without garbage like this.

I don’t even use Siri and have all of that turned off and don’t even use google assistant on my pixel.

I haven’t even owned a TV for the past five years.

 

[scrapesleon]

I hardly use Siri on my HomePod they better have some features on the 16 that is worthwhile for me to upgrade

 

[GuruZac]

I've been using AI on iOS 18.1 for weeks now and the best part is the UI update. Otherwise, I forget it's there and don't see a use with the capability it has now. Everyone's mileage varies.

 

[ignatius345]

AI can be obtained in google searches or apps right? So not sure what the big deal is on the iphone? Apple should be more forward thinking, however!

I think the killer feature for the iPhone is cross-app functionality. iOS already has all your contacts, access to your calendars, location... tons of information that can (if it it works!) let it actually act on stuff in a useful way. As you point out, you can already send whatever query you want to to ChatGPT, but you can't, AFAIK, as it to look up the next movie time for Twisters, buy two tickets using your saved credit card, and look up dinner places nearby for after the movie. Or, conduct a smart search through your texts for "that Mexican place Brian was telling me about".

 

[ignatius345]

Not interested here. I can write my own emails and don’t need to generate “creative content”.

Couldn't agree more. I think writing, communcation and creative skills are a "use it or lose it" proposition. You offload too much of that stuff to a machine and over time you just lose the ability to do it yourself. One small example: we used to all have no problem remembering phone numbers and navigating with printed maps. Now, forget it. I can't remember anyone's phone number and I've become so reliant on turn-by-turn directions that the part of my brain that used to build up a "mental map" of my surroundings has just gone to sleep for the most part.