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What we have now is not AI.

It's a crappy tokenizer and statistical inference network that outputs something stupid people haven't worked out is stupid yet. This is all powered by an investment mill and hype engineering operation like no one has ever seen before.

Quick example.

It's impossible to have a 10uH capacitor (it should be 10pF) and a 22pF inductor also makes no sense (22uH it should be). Also 1THz is a frequency which is waaaaay outside any reasonable model where a lumped element circuit even makes sense to reason about.

An EE tutor / engineer would roll up a newspaper, hit you round the back of the head and tell you to stop being a dumbass.

CoPilot answers you authoritatively while completely misinterpreting the question and giving you an answer which has no meaning at all.

It's hopeless.

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Agree with you 100%. We have ML, not AI. And very big if then else statements. None of this is AI. AGI is true AI but as an engineer and entrepreneur, I do not believe we will see it in our lifetimes. Despite what OpenAI claims (mainly to appease their investors and raise more capital), I see zero evidence of actual progress in true AGI / sentience. I see a lot of fake crap though! :)
 
If you bought the 15, you have to rethink your whole entire life decisions because you'll iPhone just lost so much resell value
I have the 15 - annoyed with Apple but no regrets.

Everyone else with an older phone is just as screwed too. Apple’s buy back program is a joke too.
 
The very first time you see a massive email condensed to 1 sentence with everything relevant that you needed to know, you'll change your tune about the usefulness of AI features.
But most of the “massive emails” I get recently are the results of someone using AI to generate their emails for them. So AI main use is to compensate for issues generated by AI.
 
Not interested in any of it for personal use. I just don’t see a long-term positive to having AI trying to “improve“ on a photo I shoot, write a paragraph for me, touch up a sketch, decide what is important to me out of written text, or anything else that involves using my own creativity or analysis. I’m in my 50s and if anything, I need to use my mind more, not less. I’ve never doubted that but if I ever had, all I needed to do is look at some of the elderly I know to understand how much of a difference that will make.

If I try to “see into the future“ with the way AI for personal use is going and what it is being applied to, my children and grandchildren being surrounded by a bunch of “Frito Pendejo”s looks like a real possibility.

The argument that AI is good for summarizing large numbers of work emails, for example, almost looks valid (if you are even willing to trust the “summary”), until you realize that the real problem likely lies in whatever corporate processes and tasking/resourcing policies would result in one employee receiving hundreds of emails per day. Applying AI at what is essentially the tail end of that chain is probably not the right answer.

Does AI have its uses? Yes. I just think the current direction (in the consumer market) of having AI “save time” on what are essentially creative and analytical tasks is a long term negative for all of us.
 
I work in a corporate settting and it’s the buzzword of the decade that’s made me lose interest.

It’s like “smart” was last decade. We got smartphones and next minute companies were putting smart into things that don’t need it. No one needs a “smart” toothbrush.

I am keen for Siri improvements and ChatGPT is excellent and I use it a lot for work on simple things like excel formulas and checking code. Things that would take me a few hours to get to work I can now explain the logic to chat gpt and it spits out the code for me.

I am interested in AI and what it can do for me at work or with Siri. But companies slapping the AI sticker on everything has me rolling my eyes a lot.
 
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I have no real interest in AI. However, if I find some Siri assisted features that stay on the phone, protect my privacy, and save me some time, I may give those features a try. If I am still lost for an answer, I will refer to MR, as this place is never short of someone having an opinion or answer (right or wrong). lol
 
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I think some of the Apple Intelligence features could be nice. I'd appreciate better proofreading tools, for a start.

I don't want AI photo manipulation, or image generation though. I'll let others play with that, and neither to I want to talk to my phone or my computer! Unless I'm sitting at home by myself, when would I talk to my phone? It feels dumb enough at the best of times, talking to a machine.

I hear so many saying they don't care at all for voice assistants or Siri and don't want AI because they never use Siri.

Do you know why you don't use Siri? Because you have to learn what phrases and words it recognizes. And you also have to speak in a specific cadence and manner to have it even pick up your words.

And even when you do everything right, Siri still might not work for several many reasons. It's frustrating and too often unreliable.

I'm not saying Apple Intelligence is worth it just to get a solid and useful voice assistant.

But the reason you don't use Siri is not because the idea of a voice assistant is bad or you have no use for it. It's because Siri has always sucked.

There's also this notion in here that some or all versions of Siri have been "AI" which, if we consider what LLMs have given us, is incorrect.

Siri post versus pre Apple Intelligence will be a night and day difference.
I will occasionally use Siri to set a reminder for a specific time or place, and it always works for me, but I've not used it for more than that since it first launched, and we were all asking it silly questions trying to find out what silly answers it would give.

Typing to Siri? There's a chance I'd end up using that occasionally.

Edit: I'm not intending to upgrade my phone for a while, so since I'm not getting much additional intelligence on my iPhone 14, it's all a bit of a moot point.
 
AI is such a bs marketing term it's making me crazy. And all the people saying "I don't need it, I don't want it" also are.
You all use AI everyday, a lot but you just don't know about it. Because guess what, "AI" is there with us for years now.
You use the search feature in photos app? AI. You use google? AI. You use the autocomplete of the keyboard on your phone? AI. You watch recommended video on youtube? AI. Take pictures with your phone? AI.

AI is just a "bucket" word used to describe a set of statistics algorithm that are commonly used everywhere for decade now. It just became marketing bs because of LLM becoming mainstream. Companies are all rebranding features they already had as "AI" because it make money. They are not using LLMs, just old "classic" machine learning algorithms that are used for decades now. Have you seen AI TV, AI Fridge, AI vacuum cleaner?

So for those of you that fall into the marketing bs I cannot blame you. But deciding to have a strong opinion about something you don't understand is kinda sad but I guess is just human nature. Being afraid of the unknown.

But rest assured it's the same thing you used and liked for years, only with a new scary name on it. So put down the forks, no super intelligence is going to take your job away or farm humans as batteries.

If you decide to still be against statistics algorithms that can make you life a little bit easier, then I will suggest to throw your phone, stop using internet and go live a life without any computers or you may without being aware of it use "AI" again.

/rant off
 
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Consider if this question was asked in 1995: “anyone not interested in the internet?”
Even if you didn’t see the value of it as it was in 1995, the internet’s most interesting and useful features/websites/resources were yet to come. I think the same will be true of AI. It’s ok if it’s just a mere curiosity for now.
 
Not interested really no, it’s not even a factor in me planning to upgrade and it sounds like the features won’t be available in Europe anyway. Knowing Apple it’ll all be unfinished and half baked for the foreseeable future.

iPhone enthusiasts here seem to be looking forward to it though by the looks.
 
As I am living in the EU and with Apple playing stupid and has chosen that 3 vital iOS features won't be available for us its not an issue.

Will be interesting to see if there are any major differences in battery consumption between EU and non EU countries when 18.1 is released.
 
As I am living in the EU and with Apple playing stupid and has chosen that 3 vital iOS features won't be available for us its not an issue.

Will be interesting to see if there are any major differences in battery consumption between EU and non EU countries when 18.1 is released.

The UK not being EU but still European falls under this too and I can’t say I am disappointed or feeling like i’ll miss out. I likely wouldn’t have used it much anyway. Battery consumption is far more important day to day I agree.
 
The UK not being EU but still European falls under this too and I can’t say I am disappointed or feeling like i’ll miss out. I likely wouldn’t have used it much anyway. Battery consumption is far more important day to day I agree.
I want to know what Farage thinks about this....😆
 
1: It won’t be available in Europe for the foreseeable future, so I
I keep hearing about how the 15 is out of date as it will have no AI. Sure it will be the selling point in a video but I never use Siri. In a few years when foldable and better cameras come AI will just be there as a feature as standard for those who wish to use. Don’t see it being a main feature I read even Apple don’t think it will be a selling point earlier in year?
AI right now is in the state where it is a novel concept, that is treated differently because it creates attention just by being available. Over time AI is not something you turn on or off, it is just something that is part of the system. Kind of like how a car would have badges on the back to highlight that this car has 4 valves per cylinder.

So no, in 5 years time AI is no longer a main feature. It isn’t even a feature. It is just something that is. Like screens. It is not a feature that it is there, although it may be a feature how good it is.
 
I keep hearing about how the 15 is out of date as it will have no AI. Sure it will be the selling point in a video but I never use Siri. In a few years when foldable and better cameras come AI will just be there as a feature as standard for those who wish to use. Don’t see it being a main feature I read even Apple don’t think it will be a selling point earlier in year?
AI is the wrong way to go. It will massproduce stupid people and exploit them at the same time. Well stop using our brains gradually.
 
So no, in 5 years time AI is no longer a main feature. It isn’t even a feature. It is just something that is. Like screens. It is not a feature that it is there, although it may be a feature how good it is.
Except rumor has it that Apple Intelligence will one day be subscription-based. Even if that turns out to be false, I would still hope AI would be opt-in and not just ubiquitously “there”. I wouldn’t mind using it for personal and creative things. But it would take some convincing (as it stands now, anyway) to use it for official purposes. It is based on the internet after all, and from what I understand, SEO.

AI is the wrong way to go. It will massproduce stupid people and exploit them at the same time. Well stop using our brains gradually.
Didn’t they say something similar about television back in the day? :)
 
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I'm an app developer and am using AI to assist me. To call it a game-changer is a ridiculous understatement. It has reduced my development times exponentially.

It seems about 99% of people I see bragging about AI are developers. That's fine, but that doesn't mean the tool works well in other industries.

I work in clinical healthcare, and we're explicitly told to not use AI for anything, for accuracy, privacy and the like. The domains are even blacklisted on my company's network. Being close isn't an option when doing dose medication calculations, and someone needs to be a legally responsible party for the data I am using. AI offers zero guarantees, and it doesn't even offer references for me to the check the work.
 
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