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Anyone else abandoning ship?

Just upgraded from a 10 yr old Macbook Pro to a new Macbook Pro Friday.

No I hadn't thought about leaving at the present time.

Don't like Windows stuff.
Although I have a Surface Pro, that I bearly use.
Even thin its with google on it.
 
i may not appreciate windows but would be nice to be able to type on my 2017 MBP too.
back in 2017 it was expensive.
 
I'm getting tired of my Mac slowing down. It's a 2014 iMac. Doing a complete wipe and re-install of Mojave. If that doesn't work then it's hoping up for sale. Don't need the frustration.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if Apple would take trade in's toward a new computer.

it seems likeTechnology is really taking off right now.
They are really making changes to everything.

My new Macbook pro sure is running smooth with Catalina.
 
I haven't abandoned ship yet, but am adjusting my workflow in that direction. Weirdly, I've spent more on Apple hardware in the past few months than the past few years. I got the ipad pro, the imac and a refurb Mac Book Pro - all for specific reasons and in spite of Apple.

The only machine I'd keep right now would be the ipad Pro because I love Procreate so much.

The iMac I bought because for the combination of screen, ram etc it worked out to be equivalent. I really wanted a 5K screen and couldn't find a decent Windows alternative. The fact that I could add my own Ram to this one was the dealmaker. However, as much as it is a great machine, I resent everyday its lack of ability to be mounted on a vesa (I didn't want to gimp it on purchase by buying the vesa mount option). There are some incredible arms available now (Ollin!) and the fact I can't use this machine on these, and the fact that it is always at slightly the wrong height depending on my position, means I can't love it.

I bought a 2019 13inch Macbook Pro, and while I realise it was the base spec, I was shocked by the low quality - it was unpleasant to use to its heat and the electric 'jizz' (-no grounded power cable provided). I returned it and bought a second hand 2015 MBP because, having the iMac and iPad, right now, having an Apple laptop makes sense. But that was not a decision based on anything other than minimizing inconvenience.

I like the ipad -but most of that is because I am so enjoying Procreate. There's nothing else on there that I wouldn't be happy to use on a different device. For example, I'm deeply unimpressed by the fact that I have to spend about 30 seconds scrolling the page up each time I neeed to get to my latest email.

I've switched my notes to Apple's notes app and hate it - I can't have two separate windows etc.

On all my devices, I don't appreciate having notifications nearly everyday telling me to update to Catalina / 13 everyday etc.

And trying to maintain my parents' Mac Mini with the spinning HD - OMG!

Oh Apple ...

It all seems so unneccessary - Apple could just give their customers a little bit more and stop nickel and diming - like they used to...

Anyway, I'm adjusting my workflow so that in a year or so, all of these machines, and the phone, will be switched.

I certainly can't say that the grass is greener. I've tried many times over the past few years. I have always had Android and Windows machines at the same time but stayed mostly on Mac. This time, however, it feels like it's time.

My experience with the MBP really shocked me - it felt like a cheap knockoff of a Macbook Pro. I'm typing on a 5 year old second hand machine that feels like a different world to a machine built this year. It's quiet, cool, has buttons that feel good etc etc.
 
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Of course, abandoning ship means encountering problems with any and all other manufacturers. Not to mention Windows.

I acknowledge that - because I did it many times - and came back to Apple.

So perhaps I need to acknowledge a more fundamental point - why abandon ship now?

For me it is because I feel like Apple have become 'hostile' to me as a user.

I don't mind them making money from me at all - but their way of selling hardware (Macs especially) with a spec (HD/Ram) that I just can't use - and therefore have to pay them out of my nose - really sticks in my craw. The only reason I bought the iMac was because I could get the Ram myself. I bought 64gb ram for £250. I see no reason in the world why I should pay Apple prices for their Ram and Hard Drives. I may be imagining things, but it never felt to me before that they were gouging me like this.

I used to buy Apple products because they made life easier - their software on all devices recently has definitely not lived up to this promise.

I used to buy Apple products because the competition was so poor in comparison - it seems like in all respects it has caught up.


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As Tim&Apple more and more neglect the Mac, linux is looking more and more nicer. Its free, you have freedom of hardware choice, its main problem is software selection. Most software people depend on is not available on Linux. I also believe its harder to maintain say if you had a full school or business with linux systems with things like networking and shared devices. This is my current impression of it.

After some research, I believe if anyone wants to jump ship, Linux Mint it is.
 
I would actually like to abandon ship to get higher spec machine for less but can't for my work software stuff is harder under Windows so I can't 😢
 
I currently use a 2019 15" with 8 cores. I don't know if I would take it again or finally switch to Linux as my development OS.
I'm not impressed, I'm complaining way too much about everything in everyday use. :/
 
grmlin said:
I currently use a 2019 15" with 8 cores. I don't know if I would take it again or finally switch to Linux as my development OS.
I'm not impressed, I'm complaining way too much about everything in everyday use. :/
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Linux on a laptop thou? ugh too many potential issues for me
 
Catalina has solved all the freezing and stuttering issues I had on my 2015 MBP in Mojave, and everything became super quick and snappy. So much so that I put my 2TB ssd back in, and now I'm thinking this thing will easily last me a few more years. Now that I'm rid of Mojave, I'm quite happy with what I have. Hopefully at that point the scissor keys have been around for a bit and are solid.
 
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The Mercurian said:
I would actually like to abandon ship to get higher spec machine for less but can't for my work software stuff is harder under Windows so I can't 😢
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I got my Windows VMs in Parallels and Linux ones in Virtual Box... Rest of the Apps are on the MacOS side thing of things including all my notes...

I don't know honestly, I'm waiting for the 16" and whatever comes in 2020... Found the 15" 2019 for 2399 this week and was about to pull the trigger but resisted.



Fuchal said:
Catalina has solved all the freezing and stuttering issues I had on my 2015 MBP in Mojave, and everything became super quick and snappy. So much so that I put my 2TB ssd back in, and now I'm thinking this thing will easily last me a few more years. Now that I'm rid of Mojave, I'm quite happy with what I have. Hopefully at that point the scissor keys have been around for a bit and are solid.
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Funny enough you ain't the first one to say this got quite a few friends saying the same regarding Catalina.
 
maflynn said:
Both of those claims have been disputed and proved false, but if you think the Chinese are spying on you, then get a mac - but wait they're also made in China as well. :eek:
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I guess you missed Snowden's revelations confirming what cynics had already basically known.

Really, it's extremely naive to think that people have any privacy. Not even heads of state have privacy in phone calls, as was made clear with Merkel. If presidents can't have privacy ordinary people can forget about it.

The panopticon continues to expand and the secret court system makes it not only likely, but really ridiculous otherwise — in terms of not continuing to expand the omnipresence of the already rather omnipresent surveillance. There are practically no obstacles. Since knowledge is power people in power want to have as much of it as they can get.

Some of this is chosen by consumers but a great deal of it is not. Apple, for just one tiny example, puts deleted FS Events data into unallocated space on HFS+ volumes, for "forensics" (a nice word for spying). I have absolutely no doubt that a lot of the design around APFS is for expanding the power of "forensics".

If macOS were truly consumer-first, no functionality would be hidden from ordinary people. The OS would not actively work to make it easier for people in power to have power over them. But, the OS does that and that is baked into hardware and into networks, too.

And, Snowden's archive was taken over by Omidyar of Ebay/Paypal and anything from 95–90% of it will probably never be published. Glenn Greenwald of The Intercept has said that only crazy nobodies have any interest in the material. That isn't hyperbole. I saw the comments myself.
 
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Mendota said:
I have been away from this thread for awhile. Interesting responses. I always find it curious how those that decide to stick with Mac feel they have to justify it by bashing Windows.
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In my case it’s because I really dislike Windows. Does that make sense? I mean the hardware is great - I just built a 12-core PC that is more powerful than an iMac Pro for a fraction of the price. And it has a nice case, great cooling, etc. But Windows - oh man, I really dislike it. And whenever I say I dislike it there is someone to say either how both Windows and macOS are the same or how they both have advantages and faults. Well, not to me. To me, macOS is a comfortable, well designed OS that I love to use (even more than iOS) while Windows is something that does everything macOS does, true, but in a way that constantly pisses me off and annoys me. I feel like the computer is working against me. And, also, visually - it looks really bad to me.

Still, as I said, the hardware is nice, this is why I went with a PC for a desktop (for the first time in 10 years) but 90% of stuff I do, I still do it on my MBP and I’ll be getting an Apple Silicon one as soon as I can.
 
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aevan said:
Windows is something that does everything macOS does, true, but in a way that constantly pisses me off and annoys me. I feel like the computer is working against me. And, also, visually - it looks really bad to me.
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I felt the same when I bought my first mac. When you spend years in an ecosystem, doing a switch is very hard. When I bought my first iMac I was trying to do stuff like I was used to do on Windows and it was not working or taking longer time. Then I decided to learn how people were working and at some point I got it, but you have to reprogram yourself. Its the same thing for Android/iOS. People expect their actions working the same everywhere and this is the issue.

My main gripes over Windows are mostly related to privacy and shady practices. If you create a local account (instead of using email) they use every opportunity they have to convert it to an internet account.

The following convert local account into internet account:
- Launching the Xbox app
- Installing Office 365
- Installing an app store app will ask you 2-3 times for each application that you install to use an internet account instead.

Mac is also shady.. so I mostly use Linux.. ahah
 
Not really abandoned ship, but personally for creation stuff and productivity stuff I moved my workflow entirely to Windows workstation. I do Illustration and 3D CAD and some lightweight HTML front end stuff.

In my opinion, using MacOS as daily driver for productivity is real pain because of annual nature updates. Heck, each I updates to latest OS it would break some plugin/software, sometimes I need rebuild my dev / working environment again from scratch. Even I still cling to Mojave because it the most stable MacOS I can get for working comfortably, but I afraid it would soon being outdates in near future.

Also I find my Cintiq Pro are behave better on Windows workstation. I use Windows solely for productivity so I don't find any issue with that, even better Windows can using certified graphics drivers for CAD software I using for. In MacOS it was questionable.

I still turn on my Mac Pro just for jukebox purpose because of my ten years old curated iTunes Library because my Windows workstation hasn't any entertainment media files since it dedicated for work stuff. So I always boot two of them when I working.

I don't really care with Apple Silicon since I can prove productivity is still playing nice in Windows, plus it won't majorly updated so it stay same, I even defer updates except for security patch one. Also I afraid Apple Silicon would locked me in future. As digital artist I want things under control, not being control of company which dictates things for me.

Still using MacOS for payment activity, online banking, and some lightweight 2D CAD. I also keep last good working Snow Leopard machine in older Mac Mini, so my Mac Pro with Mojave might do the same.

Other options are Linux, but I don't want fighting with packages each time I need install features, so Windows is working good for me. Not mentioned questionable support with my Cintiq display and other third party peripheral.
 
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It took many attempts and years but I finally converted a lot of what I do over to Windows, it's different, there are always going to many views on the subject but once you get over the fact it is different, there are many ways to push much of it into the background, much like macOS and what you are left with is a tool.

Having been 90% on Windows for a while now it's been fine, good performance. Yes, there are times it annoys but no more than the times on macOS.

If you focus on the job that needs to be done, not the middleman (OS) then either is fine. Although I do believe macOS is far better at 'staying out of the way' than Windows. But as always, two very different OS's doing very different things under the hood.
 
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slayerizer said:
I felt the same when I bought my first mac. When you spend years in an ecosystem, doing a switch is very hard. When I bought my first iMac I was trying to do stuff like I was used to do on Windows and it was not working or taking longer time. Then I decided to learn how people were working and at some point I got it, but you have to reprogram yourself. Its the same thing for Android/iOS. People expect their actions working the same everywhere and this is the issue.

My main gripes over Windows are mostly related to privacy and shady practices. If you create a local account (instead of using email) they use every opportunity they have to convert it to an internet account.

The following convert local account into internet account:
- Launching the Xbox app
- Installing Office 365
- Installing an app store app will ask you 2-3 times for each application that you install to use an internet account instead.

Mac is also shady.. so I mostly use Linux.. ahah
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You are right switching is hard. That said I have been using Windows for around 30 years and MacOS for 10 years and have concluded that I really don't like Windows. One reason is, unlike the alternatives, it's not Unix. But it's also incoherently designed in many areas and just irritating to use.

Mac hardware is expensive with limited choices. On the plus side support is great if you have Apple Care and and Apple Store close by. However, the reason many people stick with Macs is because they hate Windows. If they liked Windows they would be using it.

Linux is great on the server and for running web apps. Its a bit limited for desktop apps though. Since my employer doesn't support Linux for remote desktop, I cannot even consider it as my desktop operating system.
 
ADGrant said:
You are right switching is hard. That said I have been using Windows for around 30 years and MacOS for 10 years and have concluded that I really don't like Windows. One reason is, unlike the alternatives, it's not Unix. But it's also incoherently designed in many areas and just irritating to use.

Mac hardware is expensive with limited choices. On the plus side support is great if you have Apple Care and and Apple Store close by. However, the reason many people stick with Macs is because they hate Windows. If they liked Windows they would be using it.

Linux is great on the server and for running web apps. Its a bit limited for desktop apps though. Since my employer doesn't support Linux for remote desktop, I cannot even consider it as my desktop operating system.
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Not being Unix is not necessary a disadvantage but I agree on the rest. A lot of the design decisions were made ages ago and they don't want to break compatibiliy. It basically patches over patches without any power to reboot the product like OSX did. I applaud Apple to have the guts to break stuff and innovate (even if there are side effects for some people).

I don't like the spyware approach MS is taking with all their products. You have telemetry everywhere: the OS, the Terminal app, Visual studio and even .net core app you create have telemetry builtin that talks back to MS. It's a very nasty approach. You search chrome and the first result is to download their Edge browser instead.

There are also things I don't like with the mac also.. every terminal command or application signature is sent back to apple (looks like a Microsoft thing to do) for validation. Even if it builds a temporary cache, I don't like it. Installing an app from the web seems a crime. When you launch it, it proposes to send it to the trash instead.

Their intentions is clearly to make sure you have all their devices and there is limited interest when you don't fully commit.

Apple card or watch requires an iPhone. Even if you own a computer or tablet, it's not enough. My Samsung watch works with both Android an iOS. I don't like the fact that they force you to have a credit card binded to your account at all time.

There's plenty of +- on both sides. I wouldn't mind getting an iMac but can't buy a machine that you can't open. Computer fans needs to be cleaned even if Apple understands it or not. They prefer that the machine choke up and die so that you buy a new one.

The fact that your employer doesn't support Linux, is not Linux fault but I do agree it sucks. I'm a Linux sysadmin and I'm force to have Windows (because of corporate policies that want to control all possible settings of my computer).
 
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