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Just did the same. Had my iPhone on the home screen - no badges for mail. Sent an email to my @me.com address. Got push notification on the iPhone and badge shows 1 message. Went to iCloud.com web, read that message and 5 mins later I still have that unread badge on the iPhone. How are you setup?

Just the defaults...lol. I have no idea why it's working? lol. I did have problems on the day it was released. So I ended up deleting, and waiting a day or two. Then I redid it, with a new AppleID. Maybe that's the issue? I know some folks had that issue of a MobileMe and iCloud not merging?

I'll do it again, to verify. I may be wrong, but I'm almost 99.99% sure it did update the badge...
 
I mean its a cool idea and everything but if you are going home to a PC every night and dont require a constant backup it's a bit of an unnecessary battery drain.

I guess my phone could deal with it now but when the battery starts to lose its charge? I can see it being a problem thats not worth its value to me.. anyone else feel this way? Can you do without iCloud?

Am I missing some benefit of it?

you must be someone that likes to do things manually? i hate plugging in my phone to the laptop and synching everything, it can be a pain.

I have around 55gb of music, so once itunes match comes out it's going to be even better bc i will have access to all my music on my ipad, my iphone, my wifes iphone, and our MBA. I've been waiting for this for awhile. amazon provides storage, but everything has to be uploaded to it if it's not bought from them.

I have been a paying ME.com member for awhile and it's i wish iCloud would still be capable of storing all of our photos...not just some photostream.

There is not a need to constantly pull out the external hard drive and do a backup which can take quite some time when backing up 55gb of music.

My wife and i both have a lot of bookmarks that we use. I use it on my iphone and ipad and she uses it on her phone and computer. She is looking at something while she is out and about and she saves the bookmark and it's instantly on her computer at home to save for later.

Also, i have an appleTV and an airport express that we stream music on. We load up music on my phone and stream it to both of them or even stream pandora. Homesharing doesn't really benefit me as i would have to have our laptop around us all the time to play music.

I think iCloud is awesome.
 
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I started reading some posts but had to stop. I'm honestly appalled at the posters on this forum. It seems like every thread I read has more than one person shooting off about how wrong someone else's opinion is. It must be an apple thing because over on PC forums you get none of this.

The trolling, judgmental and of "My opinion is right and yours is wrong" manner of posts here is rampant. It gives the forum the feel of an Xbox 360 community, filled of children.

I'm sorry I went off but seriously folks, everyone has different opinions.

A few of you had some good points for your own personal needs. As for me the only thing I really like is the contact sync which unfortunately misses about 7/10 of my contacts, don't know why.

If my device breaks I'll have a backup on my computer. So I'll lose the days worth of data, I'll live. (again this might be useful for businessmen who write documents on their devices, I don't.

If I need to back up, it makes no difference to me if it's plugged in at home or wireless. In fact I'd rather it be plugged in so it charges.

Game saves? I'm a PC gamer, iPhone games keep my attention for about 30 seconds.

If my phone breaks, I go get a new one and connect it to the Pc or MBP and do a backup.

After seeing cloud computing for myself? I honestly don't believe it's "the way of the future". I don't see the majority of consumers using services like this when the can go home to their 1Tb HDD's and swap files faster and with less battery strain. it's my OPINION, and anyone thinks I don't deserve it doesn't deserve their own.

Fair enough. But judging the service based on the first week of its existence under a workload of adding 25 million users seems a bit premature.
 
Photostream is just so convenient. Take a picture on my phone and it's on my MacBook and iPad in seconds.
 
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Honestly I'd probably like it if it could be managed like a hard drive. The way it's set up now feels very limiting.
 
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I started reading some posts but had to stop. I'm honestly appalled at the posters on this forum. It seems like every thread I read has more than one person shooting off about how wrong someone else's opinion is. It must be an apple thing because over on PC forums you get none of this.

The trolling, judgmental and of "My opinion is right and yours is wrong" manner of posts here is rampant. It gives the forum the feel of an Xbox 360 community, filled of children.

I'm sorry I went off but seriously folks, everyone has different opinions.

A few of you had some good points for your own personal needs. As for me the only thing I really like is the contact sync which unfortunately misses about 7/10 of my contacts, don't know why.

If my device breaks I'll have a backup on my computer. So I'll lose the days worth of data, I'll live. (again this might be useful for businessmen who write documents on their devices, I don't.

If I need to back up, it makes no difference to me if it's plugged in at home or wireless. In fact I'd rather it be plugged in so it charges.

Game saves? I'm a PC gamer, iPhone games keep my attention for about 30 seconds.

If my phone breaks, I go get a new one and connect it to the Pc or MBP and do a backup.

After seeing cloud computing for myself? I honestly don't believe it's "the way of the future". I don't see the majority of consumers using services like this when the can go home to their 1Tb HDD's and swap files faster and with less battery strain. it's my OPINION, and anyone thinks I don't deserve it doesn't deserve their own.

you are doing the same thing, yet you started the actual thread lol

The way of the future is not carrying around TB drives and blu ray drives with all your discs. why do you think SSD drives are becoming the norm?
 
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I'm not nearly doing the same thing lol.
SSD or HDD? Does it matter? I fail to see what you're getting at.

And a Blueray drive?? What are you talking about?
 
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Honestly I'd probably like it if it could be managed like a hard drive. The way it's set up now feels very limiting.

Isn't that what Drop Box is?
 
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I'm not nearly doing the same thing lol.
SSD or HDD? Does it matter? I fail to see what you're getting at.

drives are smaller in size bc with all the cloud services available big hard drives are not required anymore. watching movies the manual way with a dvd will be a thing of the past eventually....just look at streaming. times are changing man.
 
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Drives aren't becoming smaller because of cloud they are becoming smaller because tech is improving. You will never be able to stream a 1080p movie to your phone using cloud over 3g. You are right times are changing that's why I download BR rips and stream them to my Ps3. Cloud doesnt do that for me?
 
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Drives aren't becoming smaller because of cloud they are becoming smaller because tech is improving. You will never be able to stream a 1080p movie to your phone using cloud over 3g. You are right times are changing that's why I download BR rips and stream them to my Ps3. Cloud doesnt do that for me?
how does that make sense? so my MBA drive is only 64gb bc the technology is so cool?

who in their right mind would stream a 1080p on 3g anyways.
 
i asked this earlier but i'll ask again in case my post got buried. it's a pretty important question to me so i would be tremendously grateful if someone knew it! :)

can anyone explain definitively what the difference is between iCloud "storage and backup" is versus iCloud "documents & data" and what each thing stores?

I am confused by this.
 
I'm in the useless camp.

1) cannot delete photos from photo stream is creepy and potentially dangerous. At a minimum its annoying to have to keep all test shots of something for any amount of days and have to have them pushed to all devices

2) I have MS exchange so all my contacts and calendar are already synched. iCloud is duplicating all my contacts in my address book for some unknown reason but not my contacts. Something just not right

3) Did not need another free email address but thanks anyway

4) 5GB is a joke. Box.net offers 50GB free. Apple can afford it.

I think iTunes match (when available) will be the most useful thing and then I can get rid of the free Google Music that I have been using along with free spotify.
 
i asked this earlier but i'll ask again in case my post got buried. it's a pretty important question to me so i would be tremendously grateful if someone knew it! :)

can anyone explain definitively what the difference is between iCloud "storage and backup" is versus iCloud "documents & data" and what each thing stores?

I am confused by this.

Storage & Backup: Is pretty much the same as backing up your phone with the sync cable to your computer. Using this will let you restore your phone if it breaks and you have to get a replacement, or if something strange happens to your phone.

Documents & Data: Is for syncing files between devices. So say you have an iPhone and an iPad. You create a file on the iPad and it gets pushed to the iPhone. You edit on the iPhone and the changes are pushed back to the iPad. This will be more relevant once more apps are updated and once Mac apps support it.

So basically it means you no longer have to create file, "open in" dropbox, open dropbox on other device, "open in" app that edits the file, edit file, "open in" drop box, open drop box on the other device, take file and "open in" app that edits the file.

It lets you have one copy of the file synced between all devices without thinking about it, and wondering which version is the latest.

If you only have one iOS device it is not useful to you though.
 
Storage & Backup: Is pretty much the same as backing up your phone with the sync cable to your computer. Using this will let you restore your phone if it breaks and you have to get a replacement, or if something strange happens to your phone.

Documents & Data: Is for syncing files between devices. So say you have an iPhone and an iPad. You create a file on the iPad and it gets pushed to the iPhone. You edit on the iPhone and the changes are pushed back to the iPad. This will be more relevant once more apps are updated and once Mac apps support it.

So basically it means you no longer have to create file, "open in" dropbox, open dropbox on other device, "open in" app that edits the file, edit file, "open in" drop box, open drop box on the other device, take file and "open in" app that edits the file.

It lets you have one copy of the file synced between all devices without thinking about it, and wondering which version is the latest.

If you only have one iOS device it is not useful to you though.


thank you! the info helps a lot.
 
After seeing cloud computing for myself? I honestly don't believe it's "the way of the future". I don't see the majority of consumers using services like this when the can go home to their 1Tb HDD's and swap files faster and with less battery strain. it's my OPINION, and anyone thinks I don't deserve it doesn't deserve their own.

I believe it is the way of the future and Steve was right when he said we are in a post-PC world. Sure your typical techie has a 1Tb+ HDD on his blazing fast desktop and laptop and connects his iPhone every day to backup and sync. Me? I don't even have a desktop any more other than my Acer Revo HTPC. My wife has a relatively new laptop which I used to sync my iPhone and I have a work MacBook Pro which I prefer to not have to use while at home. The laptops certainly are not running 24/7 and it sit far away from the bedroom which is where my iPhone sits and charges at night. As a result I backed up my old iPhone only when I was updating iOS which wasn't that often. Now I get automatic nightly backups, realtime syncing of contacts, notes, reminders, etc. I still use Google for mail and calendar, but the cloud concept is the same.

The majority of consumers don't want to have to keep up with updating their laptop or desktop every year or 2, and now they don't have to anymore.
 
I'm using iCloud for just Calenders and Address syncing. Thats useful.

iCloud in its current form is just too inflexible - users can't load any sort of content on iCloud, it is restricted to what applications support iCloud.
 
I have MM and like it quite a bit. I haven't switched over to iCloud yet. What's the broken leg part, compared to MM?

Sure, I'll explain my statement. I too (like you) have not made the move to iCloud, and won't until next June when my Family Pack MM expires. Reasons are the following:

1. I use iDisk, and a lot. I have 20GB included in my family plan by default, and it's paid for already. (iCloud has Documents *that are NOTHING at all useful unless you write on your iPad/iPhone), :rolleyes:. Also, they do not sync to iWork for Mac OSX either. Now granted, iDisk did not perform like Dropbox, but it was safe and secure-albeit slow; I have never lost anything on it. YOU CANNOT STORE ANYTHING ON ICLOUD EXCEPT IWORK DOCUMENTS (written mind you, on iOS devices). That's a fracture.

2. Gallery is Gone.. bye bye. I use it, a lot. Love it. I don't use FB, flicker, twitter to share my personal pictures for all to see; I still like my private life. On Gallery, I could upload a photo taken on my camera roll, and upload to MM gallery folder (of my choosing) that is only shared with family contacts. That is gone BTW in iOS5. iOS5 does not have an upload option any longer to send it up anywhere (please correct me if I am missing something here) That's a fracture.

3. Syncing system prefs, and signatures/rules was used at my office to keep all Macs in sync. That's gone. That's a bruise.

4. Apple ID's and iTunes/App store accounts. Friken mess.
Simply put, I have had (for years now committed to the apple ecosystem) 3 users (1 apple @mac account for each tied to iTunes/Appstore/MM/etc.) for me, my son and my wife. All of us sync/buy/and DL to our own personal machines, and all info is stored in the central iMac at the house (each account is separate obviously, but we login to grab updates and purchases every now and then). Enter iClould, throw that all out the window, because you MUST create (or upgrade) your existing MM account in order to use it. No merging later, no way to keep what you have in sync to Lion and SL devices in tandem (we mix and match OS's currently). Existing MM users either commit to iCloud in it's current form by upgrading, or start anew and repurchase everything they already own due to the lack of merging support (accounts)

So what I did on my new 4S is just created an iCloud account only for backups, period. I have everything on the iCloud settings off except mail, I think I have to have mail on to keep it working (not sure honestly.) I figure I will go forward next year after Apple realizes that others really liked MM functions and features. (I hope anyway)

Even though my family is using Lion on a couple of machines, I won't be upgrading the accounts to iCloud until I can get my head around how this will play out.

In short summary, iCloud IMO is just a rebranded dumbed down MM, with a couple of extra new features that could have easily been implemented with the existing MM platform. Maybe apple just hated the term MM, IDK.
 
I mean its a cool idea and everything but if you are going home to a PC every night and dont require a constant backup it's a bit of an unnecessary battery drain.

I guess my phone could deal with it now but when the battery starts to lose its charge? I can see it being a problem thats not worth its value to me.. anyone else feel this way? Can you do without iCloud?

Am I missing some benefit of it?

Not sure why this post is rated down. it's a good question. I, myself, have tried to sort this out. I use exchange for mail. I am home most nights with a Mac that is backed up, sync either via cable or wifi (killer feature that works great). The only iCloud service I have on right now is Find My iPhone.

I'll fiddle with it over the next few weeks here to see what else is useful to me.

That said, I've setup a 3GS that my mom is using, who uses a Mac, but couldn't be bothered to back up her phone (or her mac) ever. (I do it for her when I see her). I've setup all the iCloud features for her and just like it should be, it's transparent, she has no idea it's there, and I know, it's backing up her phone so now I don't have to any longer.
 
That is definitely not true. My 16GB iPad backup size is 103MB. It backs up OS settings, pictures, app data, which apps you have, etc.

I used the iCloud to back up my iPhone 3GS which took up 1.5GB. Then when I got my iPhone 4s I set it up without connecting to iTunes and restored from my iCloud backup. It was nothing short of amazing as it restored all of my settings, kicked off automatic downloads for all of my apps, and put them all in the places they were on my 3GS. Once this was complete I hooked up to iTunes to copy my music on to my 4S since iTunes Match isn't available yet. Eventually I shouldn't need to hook up to iTunes at all though.

You're kidding yourself if you think it's even possible to shrink 16 gigs down to 103MB. There's no way 10 or so gigs of music or videos is in that backup. Now, if you only have 103mb of data on you phone, that's another story.
 
Not sure why this post is rated down. it's a good question. I, myself, have tried to sort this out. I use exchange for mail. I am home most nights with a Mac that is backed up, sync either via cable or wifi (killer feature that works great). The only iCloud service I have on right now is Find My iPhone.

I'll fiddle with it over the next few weeks here to see what else is useful to me.

That said, I've setup a 3GS that my mom is using, who uses a Mac, but couldn't be bothered to back up her phone (or her mac) ever. (I do it for her when I see her). I've setup all the iCloud features for her and just like it should be, it's transparent, she has no idea it's there, and I know, it's backing up her phone so now I don't have to any longer.
it's kind of like saying why does wireless technology exist if some people still prefer wired technology.
 
Just the defaults...lol. I have no idea why it's working? lol. I did have problems on the day it was released. So I ended up deleting, and waiting a day or two. Then I redid it, with a new AppleID. Maybe that's the issue? I know some folks had that issue of a MobileMe and iCloud not merging?

I'll do it again, to verify. I may be wrong, but I'm almost 99.99% sure it did update the badge...

Did the same thing. But re-doing the AppleID had no affect. I do know others have stated the same issue.... maybe you're the lucky one!
 
You're kidding yourself if you think it's even possible to shrink 16 gigs down to 103MB. There's no way 10 or so gigs of music or videos is in that backup. Now, if you only have 103mb of data on you phone, that's another story.

I only have 103 MB of data on my iPad. My point is "the whole OS" doesn't get backed up. Of the 16 GB I have 9.4 GB free which means 6.6 GB is "used" by iOS, apps, etc. But only 103 MB needs to get backed up to the iCloud because the rest can just get redownloaded (iOS, apps, etc). On my 16 GB iPhone I have 5.8 GB available so 10.2 GB used and my backup size is 1.5 GB.

My point is that it is fairly reasonable for the average user to be satisfied with the 5 GB that is provided for free with iOS.
 
it's kind of like saying why does wireless technology exist if some people still prefer wired technology.
EDIT: Wrong quote. Meant to reply to this one:

You're kidding yourself if you think it's even possible to shrink 16 gigs down to 103MB. There's no way 10 or so gigs of music or videos is in that backup. Now, if you only have 103mb of data on you phone, that's another story.

Please read what he said a little closer. Non-iTunes media (music and video) is not backed up to iCloud. He had to sync with iTunes to restore that stuff. iTunes Match will soon take care of the music.

iTunes music and apps don't take any space in the backup, because they are just redownloaded from Apple's master copy in the iTunes Store.
 
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Storage & Backup: Is pretty much the same as backing up your phone with the sync cable to your computer. Using this will let you restore your phone if it breaks and you have to get a replacement, or if something strange happens to your phone.

Documents & Data: Is for syncing files between devices. So say you have an iPhone and an iPad. You create a file on the iPad and it gets pushed to the iPhone. You edit on the iPhone and the changes are pushed back to the iPad. This will be more relevant once more apps are updated and once Mac apps support it.

So basically it means you no longer have to create file, "open in" dropbox, open dropbox on other device, "open in" app that edits the file, edit file, "open in" drop box, open drop box on the other device, take file and "open in" app that edits the file.

It lets you have one copy of the file synced between all devices without thinking about it, and wondering which version is the latest.

If you only have one iOS device it is not useful to you though.

this means that settings like locations in the weather app are stored in documents & data.

i just clicked the documents & data switch to on and it overwrote my locations for my weather app... it basically put in the settings i had right before i shut the switch off 2 days ago.

i wish it asked me if i wanted to overwrite all my data first. that SUCKS.
 
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