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The small increased size of the s back casing isn't to hide the camera "bump". That's not even changing. The increase in the case was to strengthen it from bending (along with 7000 series aluminum) and also help fit Force Touch.

When I said "if they'd increased the case thickness" what I was meaning to say (and admittedly maybe I should have spelled it out explicitly) is "if they had increased the case thickness in any meaningful way". I am fully aware that the rumoured 0.2mm increase does not remove the camera "bump" and I don't consider it a meaningful increase, being as it is merely housekeeping to accommodate other design changes (rumoured to be thicker Force Touch screen and maybe some thicker case material). To also clarify the other ambiguity, when I say "increased the case thickness" I mean the overall thickness of the device with the increase going primarily to increasing the depth of the battery compartment. I don't of course mean increasing the thickness of the case material beyond what might have been done already.

The A9 chip is more efficient than the A8, so really battery life will be pretty much identical to current 6 and 6+ for the 6s and 6s+ even with the slightly smaller battery.

But therein lies the problem. I certainly get the fact that battery life is about way more than battery size and battery life is the spec that matters. I suspect that most other people here do as well. The issue for me if Apple reduces the battery size is more about the message it is giving about its views on battery life and that they are very different to mine.

If Apple did double the efficiency of all components then it could halve the battery capacity in the 6s and still have the same battery life. My disappointment though would be that I do not aspire to a phone that has the same battery life as a current iPhone 6. To me Apple coming out with such a device (a 6s that is twice as efficient with a half-sized battery) would be a bit like a footballer that had been left with an entirely open goal to shoot at in an important match but for some annoying reason decided not to kick the ball into the net. In this hypothetical scenario Apple could have "scored the goal" in my analogy by keeping the battery size the same and reaping the rewards of the doubled efficiency to produce a device with double the battery life of the previous model.

I'm not claiming the numbers used above are realistic goals for the 6 to 6s transition, I just used "twice as efficient" and "halving battery size" because the maths is simple and clear for the purposes of illustration. My guess is that any savings and increments in the 6 to 6s transition are probably in the 5 - 10% range but the principle of using efficiency gains to increase battery life rather than cut battery size and only maintain battery life remains.

It really comes down to a question of how much battery life is enough and if Apple go the way of cutting battery size then it is sending a message, at least to me, that they consider what they have to be enough (all assuming they could have fitted a bigger battery into the available space had they wanted to) and that concerns me since I would only start feeling that the battery life issue was solved once the battery life is at least double what it is now and maybe even three times. I really do think that acceptable battery life is the one big mountain that the entire industry has yet to conquer.
 
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It's so annoying how so many people on here think they know better and jump to conclusions before a device has even been announced. If your knowledge and expertise is so good then why are you not at Apple HQ involved in the development of the next iPhone.
We're all consumers on here, if you like the look of phone(s) they unveil next month then get, if you don't then don't get it, just quit whinging about battery sizes, GB of RAM and protruding cameras, it's so boring now.
Nobody is forcing you to come on and read what others are concerned about either. If it bothers you then don't read it!
 
Size doesn't matter, it's about efficiency. What if 6S uses half the power of the 6? Then your battery life just increased ~90%. Are you still going to cry about battery size?!?

Once again, you're chasing the wrong metric. You're concerned with battery size, when you should be concerned with battery LIFE (which is actually a proxy for POWER).
In theory this sounds great but in practice... Samsung swore the exact same thing with their S6 this year (smaller battery, 30% more efficiency, etc.) and yet the battery life is worse than it was in the S5! Granted Apple tends to optimize their battery life better than Samsung, I just think it would have gone a long way to keep the battery size the same AND give better battery life!
 
Apple really need to increase their battery life...
At this time the iPhone 6 has the worst battery.
Even Android phones with quadcore cpu's, larger screens and ultra hd resolutions have battery times up to 5 hours more than iOS.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Powe...l-smartphones-currently-on-the-market_id73040
Apple has to increase their battery size which would in effect increase the battery life. Is it any wonder a battery 2 times the capacity has better battery life?
 
Apple has to increase their battery size which would in effect increase the battery life. Is it any wonder a battery 2 times the capacity has better battery life?

Indeed. An Samsung S4 has the same dimensions, but offers a 2600mAh battery.
So it is possible. But Apple thinks 1mm thickness is more important.
 
The s4 in the real world is not known for stellar battery life.

Exactly. I know two people who have s4's and they are constantly looking for their charger to plug in, while I'm sitting there with 70% on my iPhone 6. Just makes me laugh at Samsung's old "wall hugger" commercials, poking fun at iPhones "needing to be charged" all the time because of not removable battery. When in reality it's them on Samsung phones always needing to find a wall to plug into.
 
When I said "if they'd increased the case thickness" what I was meaning to say (and admittedly maybe I should have spelled it out explicitly) is "if they had increased the case thickness in any meaningful way". I am fully aware that the rumoured 0.2mm increase does not remove the camera "bump" and I don't consider it a meaningful increase, being as it is merely housekeeping to accommodate other design changes (rumoured to be thicker Force Touch screen and maybe some thicker case material). To also clarify the other ambiguity, when I say "increased the case thickness" I mean the overall thickness of the device with the increase going primarily to increasing the depth of the battery compartment. I don't of course mean increasing the thickness of the case material beyond what might have been done already.



But therein lies the problem. I certainly get the fact that battery life is about way more than battery size and battery life is the spec that matters. I suspect that most other people here do as well. The issue for me if Apple reduces the battery size is more about the message it is giving about its views on battery life and that they are very different to mine.

If Apple did double the efficiency of all components then it could halve the battery capacity in the 6s and still have the same battery life. My disappointment though would be that I do not aspire to a phone that has the same battery life as a current iPhone 6. To me Apple coming out with such a device (a 6s that is twice as efficient with a half-sized battery) would be a bit like a footballer that had been left with an entirely open goal to shoot at in an important match but for some annoying reason decided not to kick the ball into the net. In this hypothetical scenario Apple could have "scored the goal" in my analogy by keeping the battery size the same and reaping the rewards of the doubled efficiency to produce a device with double the battery life of the previous model.

I'm not claiming the numbers used above are realistic goals for the 6 to 6s transition, I just used "twice as efficient" and "halving battery size" because the maths is simple and clear for the purposes of illustration. My guess is that any savings and increments in the 6 to 6s transition are probably in the 5 - 10% range but the principle of using efficiency gains to increase battery life rather than cut battery size and only maintain battery life remains.

It really comes down to a question of how much battery life is enough and if Apple go the way of cutting battery size then it is sending a message, at least to me, that they consider what they have to be enough (all assuming they could have fitted a bigger battery into the available space had they wanted to) and that concerns me since I would only start feeling that the battery life issue was solved once the battery life is at least double what it is now and maybe even three times. I really do think that acceptable battery life is the one big mountain that the entire industry has yet to conquer.

That's just the thing though. Apple does have a specific battery life goal and they stick to it (just about all their devices are handled this way. Pick a certain goal for life and design around it.) As for the 6s and 6s+ plus. I wouldn't expect much more battery life, if any. I wouldn't expect less either. And any significant bump in battery life won't happen until a redesign for the 7.

iOS 9 does help though. My 6 has been getting anywhere from 7-9 hours usage with 24-48 hours standby. And that is without even using the new low power mode. Which is supposed to increase standby by about 3 hours (if turned on at 20%.) But that also dependant on which setting you already use. If you already turn off most of what low power mode turns off, then obviously one would see less gain from that mode.
 
Nobody is forcing you to come on and read what others are concerned about either. If it bothers you then don't read it!
My psychic powers aren't that great so I don't know what I'm about to read before I read it. I enjoy coming here to read and discuss the rumours and to build anticipation for a new Apple device, I don't want to have to stop visiting here because of some know it alls who can't stop complaining about how many GBs of RAM their iPhone may or may not have.
 
That's just the thing though. Apple does have a specific battery life goal and they stick to it (just about all their devices are handled this way. Pick a certain goal for life and design around it.)

A fair comment. My problem is that my battery life goal is different to that of my current preferred supplier. Not unreasonable or surprising since I haven't commissioned Apple to build a bespoke product to my specifications, I'm buying a mass market product designed by Apple to appeal to the broadest range of customers possible. That is its prerogative, in fact one could make a stronger statement and say that it is its responsibility to its shareholders, so if I can't live with Apple's choices I must look elsewhere because I'm not a good fit for the typical user that it is designing for. I'm not ready to do that quite yet, I do plan to get something this year that might be a temporary unit until the 7. Just because Apple has seemingly been designing to a relatively static specific battery life goal for the last few iterations of the phone doesn't mean that the goal will never be re-set upwards and at the point when they completely change the case design might be that point so I am still going to stay in the Apple camp for at least one more year.

iOS 9 does help though. My 6 has been getting anywhere from 7-9 hours usage with 24-48 hours standby. And that is without even using the new low power mode. Which is supposed to increase standby by about 3 hours (if turned on at 20%.) But that also dependant on which setting you already use. If you already turn off most of what low power mode turns off, then obviously one would see less gain from that mode.

Yes. To me that is a very interesting and quite significant development. In the past I've been frustrated that all the engineering innovation in the SoC seems to have been going to boosting performance while only maintaining battery life (again, adding evidence to your assertion at the start of your reply). With low power mode on iOS 9 it does also apparently cap maximum CPU clock frequencies according to some iOS9 with-and-without power saving mode enabled benchmarks published a month or two back. That gives users like me the opportunity, for the first time ever, to upgrade to a much faster iPhone and then immediately trade some or all of the potential performance increase for an increase in battery life by permanently enabling low power mode. I did some calculations based on the with-and-without power-saving benchmarks and, based only on the benchmark numbers, upgrading my 5 to a 6 that is set permanently to power-saving mode should give me a new phone that still benchmarks appreciably faster than my existing 5 and gets a hopefully worthwhile boost in battery life. How that works out in real world use is another matter of course but I do think that Apple giving people like me this option is a very significant change for the better.
 
Quite disappointed. But I believe the 6s battery won't be worse due to other improvements. However, what bugs me is that the battery life could be better. This is what happened to the iPad Air. The iPad Air 2 battery isn't bad, it's just not as good as the air 1.
 
Apple almost always decreases the size of the battery, unfortunately they rely on the new processor to make the battery last as long as last years model. I wish for once they would do both and increase the usage by 2 hours per day. What the public wants isn't always what Apple provides.
 
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What the public wants is always what Apple does not provide. They are a "we'll tell you what you didn't even know you needed" company. Proof is the sticking to the small screen iphones forever. Only when market share started to erode did they realize that larger screens is what would save them, and it has.
 
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....then let's see if they add in quickcharging capability. Usually heading out the door, or in the airport, etc, you might have 15 minutes. If you could get 4 hours of usage this would help greatly in almost all situations. You could use your phone on the train and then charge when getting to the office, fire off the last bit of emails, make a few calls, etc.

If you have a 6 or 6+ and want a quick charge, use the iPad charger and set phone to airplane mode while charging. I find it works quite well for me, especially if I am at low percentage of remaining battery level. The built in power regulation will really add to the charge level fast.
 
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I don't mind. It's like a 3% cut. I bet Apple has some power saving code in iOS 9 to make up for it. Besides, I have a car charger and I can get one of those Morphie things if it's that serious.
 
Not long now until the announcement.
I really hope Apple has good news and listen to what people are asking for.
We want 1080p screen, 2GB RAM, 32GB minimum storage and better battery life.

Don't hold your breath on 32GB storage.

Frankly, we should be at 64GB starting memory by now. 256AGB on the highest end. I mean, it's only been 8 years...
 
The new Sony Xperia Z5 has a 2900 mAh battery (3430 mAh on the bigger z5 Premium) and they're claiming a 2 day battery life. Much as charging technology and CPU/display/OS efficiencies can help battery life, I think this issue boils down to design decisions and compromises.

Personally I'll need some convincing that a 1715 mAh battery in the iPhone 6S (assuming rumors are correct) can deliver meaningful battery life improvements under normal use - if the power isn't there, tinkering with efficiencies will only make marginal improvements. I think this could be a major design mis-step on Apple's part, but I'm very much hoping otherwise.
 
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That is an irrelevant argument. The iPhone does not run on Android or TouchWiz or whatever.

Battery life of iPhone 6 with 2600mAh battery > battery life iPhone 6 with 1810 mAh battery. That is the argument.
That's not the argument either as there is no iphone with a 2600mAH battery. The argument/discussion is that the iphone "6s" supposedly has a smaller battery, which may not equate to less SOT or usage in the same way car engines with the same displacement churn out different HP depending on their design.
 
That's not the argument either as there is no iphone with a 2600mAH battery. The argument/discussion is that the iphone "6s" supposedly has a smaller battery, which may not equate to less SOT or usage in the same way car engines with the same displacement churn out different HP depending on their design.
The dimensions of the S4 are similar to that of the iPhone 6, yet the battery is almost 50% larger.
 
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I'm slightly irked by the rumor of the smaller batter in the iPhone 6s/ 6s Plus. They cite increased battery efficiency as a reason for this.... here's an idea how about keeping the same size batter for MORE battery life!! What does Apple have against giving us long-lasting smartphone battery life?!?!

No because they are only going to be slightly smaller and with the A9 efficiency we might even see better battery life.
 
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