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Interesting that this thread got resurrected, but they are bloody awful. The main design goal was to deliver a keyboard that was almost flush with the laptop deck and allow Apple to deliver a thinner laptop. The actual typing experience was not the main goal. These new keyboards have shallow travel, poor pitch, they are clicky, plasticky and cheap feeling. They lack the quality of the previous models and the are historically unreliable.

I hate the butterfly in the 2016 MBP and I didn’t note any real improvement in the 2018 model, which ironically has silicone condom to improve reliability, but may prove to be the most unreliable yet. With the issues being reported, I am wondering if the silicone is more a hinderance than a help.

Time for a design reboot

I believe when they first came out I think I may have posted a comment or two in support of them, but over time they grow on you. Not in a good way.
 
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Is any one of the many mechanical keyboards available. They're even available in some high end laptops these days.

All professional typists are just queuing up to use Apple's garbage solution :p Meanwhile in the real world, if these ultra low travel keyboards were a productivity or ergonomic boost they would be in use and well respected not getting ridiculed.

Mechanical keyboards are and will remain to be vastly superior. Is what it is Apple wanted a thinner notebook above all other considerations, including the users experience...

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All professional typists are just queuing up to use Apple's garbage solution Meanwhile in the real world, if these ultra low travel keyboards were a productivity or ergonomic boost they would be in use and respected not getting ridiculed.

Mechanical keyboards are and will remain to be vastly superior. Is what it is Apple wanted a thinner notebook above all other considerations, including the user...

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I still believe these low travel keyboards are a design precursor to a Taptic keyboard and an even thinner design. I think maybe Apple is just preparing its customers for the feel of a click and no travel. Lenovo may have given us a glimpse of the MBP future...

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Time for a design reboot

If only, god forbid a sensible Mac in 2018, with things that users really need like usability, practicality, stability, performance and dare I say the ability to upgrade...……Not a hope just the same locked down, locked in, restrictive appliances...

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I still believe these low travel keyboards are a design precursor to a Taptic keyboard and an even thinner design. I think maybe Apple is just preparing its customers for the feel of a click and no travel. Lenovo may have given us a glimpse of the MBP future...

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Tend to agree, Apple needs to ensure it can master the art of throttling first and get the CPU's running a slow as possible, click no sale :p

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I bought a 2016 TB MBP in 2016 mainly as a backup to my desktop. I was aware of the complaints, but I had never used it for intense typing until just last week, when I had to transcribe several pages of notes and forms over several hours while on a trip. It was an awful experience. I made constant errors every two or three words. I tried very hard to adjust my typing style but simply couldn’t. I type daily for work and have for many years. If I have to do serious typing on this laptop again, I will have to use an auxiliary keyboard.
 
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If only, god forbid a sensible Mac in 2018, with things that users really need like usability, practicality, stability, performance and dare I say the ability to upgrade...……Not a hope just the same locked down, locked in, restrictive appliances...

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Tend to agree, Apple needs to ensure it can master the art of throttling first and get the CPU's running a slow as possible, click no sale :p

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Man, I will tell you what. After parting with my 2011 17" MBP, what I am really hoping to see from Apple is another 17" niche market computer a la iMac Pro. I would love to see a 17" MBP workstation, that is upgradable, has a broad selection of USB-C/TB3 and legacy ports and chasis/keyboard more similar to the 17" I had. I don't know about other people, but I can't imagine anyone who feels that the 17" form factor is best suited for them, is concerned about it being thin first and foremost. Hell, the old Dell I used to carry around before moving to Apple weighed in at just under 9lbs.

I bought a 2016 TB MBP in 2016 mainly as a backup to my desktop. I was aware of the complaints, but I had never used it for intense typing until just last week, when I had to transcribe several pages of notes and forms over several hours while on a trip. It was an awful experience. I made constant errors every two or three words. I tried very hard to adjust my typing style but simply couldn’t. I type daily for work and have for many years. If I have to do serious typing on this laptop again, I will have to use an auxiliary keyboard.

That is exactly what my wife does with my old 2016 that i have to her. She has it set up on a stand and uses external keyboard ad mouse.
 
Man, I will tell you what. After parting with my 2011 17" MBP, what I am really hoping to see from Apple is another 17" niche market computer a la iMac Pro. I would love to see a 17" MBP workstation, that is upgradable, has a broad selection of USB-C/TB3 and legacy ports and chasis/keyboard more similar to the 17" I had.

HP sells what you want, tonymacx86 has the answers for the rest of it ;)
 
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