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Anyone else think Apple is going to go with a little "Shock and Awe" ?
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Put down the crack pipe. Isn' there all in one iMac the most powerful all in one on the market? Doesn't their MacBook line come with the top of the line i7 which is the most powerful laptop processor?
Isn't the iPad and iPhone when released and announced have the most power full hardware or close to the top. When the iPad two came out the A5 was the most powerful ever put in a tablet, even more powerful than the recent snapdragon at 1.2 ghz because of the A5's memory controller and the memory being on die. Not to mention the dual core GPU still tops on the market right now.
You still don't believe the MHz of a processor is the final say on how powerful it is do you.
When the iPhone 4 was released it's specs were on top of the food chain. Seriously what are you people smoking. When has apple done anything small when market share was on the line?
Make no mistake it will be shock and awe. the case designs have never been wrong, never. Since the original iPhones release. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
For it to be a real revolutionary leap forward, we would have to see Apple innovate or reinvent something and have all its competitors try to copy it. It has to be a new trend. The two most revolutionary things Apple did to change the game was Apple giving us the GUI and App Store. Apple didn't invent the GUI or smartphone. iPhone was not the first to be an all-touchscreen device as that honor goes to the LG Prada. Its first year, iPhone wasn't even considered a real smartphone since you couldn't install apps onto it like others unless you jailbroke it.
But that GUI and its multi-touch gestures was amazing back in 2007. Steve Jobs perfectly crafted it his expertise with a GUI even in his days with NeXT. I say 70% of the competitors copied iOS in some way and this includes ones I find more intuitive now like webOS and QNX which copied the former. Then the App Store opened and the functions for iPhone became limitless. Without that GUI and App Store, we would still be stuck with smartphones with resistive screens, styluses, and would have to navigate through different sites to install apps. Yes, more of Windows Mobile. Apple already built that perfect ecosystem through iPod/iTunes success.
Hardware evolves every year. Time doesn't stand still for specs NOT to evolve. We are going to have higher resolution screens, LTE, and quad core CPU by next year anyway. In a way, Apple will always catch up to Android thanks to its OEM's. Want A5? It is already found in the iPad 2! That has a much roomier motherboard, so of course it will benefit with having the latest chipset and less worries about overheating. Like comparing desktop computers vs smartphones or home video game consoles vs gaming handhelds. The bigger machines tends to get the better specs first. iPhone may always be a step behind iPad when it comes to the latest chip. And as for beautiful design, I think that is subjective. After that honeymoon phase several months down the line, people will stop staring at its looks and start using it as a phone again. That novelty wears off the quickest until some people need to have it refilled again the following year.
For the next big gamechanger, it may not come from revamping the UI since that will get old after a few years again anyway or updating the hardware which runs like clockwork yearly. It would need to be something that becomes the latest trend and have others copy it again. Apple tried reviving video calling with Facetime, but that didn't really take the world by storm like it should since video calling has never been popular in other continents. Since 2007-2008, the rest that we have seen from Apple is just an evolutionary process.
But that GUI and its multi-touch gestures was amazing back in 2007. Steve Jobs perfectly crafted it his expertise with a GUI even in his days with NeXT. I say 70% of the competitors copied iOS in some way and this includes ones I find more intuitive now like webOS and QNX which copied the former. Then the App Store opened and the functions for iPhone became limitless. Without that GUI and App Store, we would still be stuck with smartphones with resistive screens, styluses, and would have to navigate through different sites to install apps. Yes, more of Windows Mobile. Apple already built that perfect ecosystem through iPod/iTunes success.
Hardware evolves every year. Time doesn't stand still for specs NOT to evolve. We are going to have higher resolution screens, LTE, and quad core CPU by next year anyway. In a way, Apple will always catch up to Android thanks to its OEM's. Want A5? It is already found in the iPad 2! That has a much roomier motherboard, so of course it will benefit with having the latest chipset and less worries about overheating. Like comparing desktop computers vs smartphones or home video game consoles vs gaming handhelds. The bigger machines tends to get the better specs first. iPhone may always be a step behind iPad when it comes to the latest chip. And as for beautiful design, I think that is subjective. After that honeymoon phase several months down the line, people will stop staring at its looks and start using it as a phone again. That novelty wears off the quickest until some people need to have it refilled again the following year.
For the next big gamechanger, it may not come from revamping the UI since that will get old after a few years again anyway or updating the hardware which runs like clockwork yearly. It would need to be something that becomes the latest trend and have others copy it again. Apple tried reviving video calling with Facetime, but that didn't really take the world by storm like it should since video calling has never been popular in other continents. Since 2007-2008, the rest that we have seen from Apple is just an evolutionary process.
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Only need one thing...
I've upgraded every year from the first gen iPhone on. A5 is guaranteed, higher res camera is guaranteed. All nice and dandy but there is only one thing that they need to do to have me instantly snag the iPhone 5 from my current iPhone 4... 64GB!!!! please god give me more space!
-Thank you
I've upgraded every year from the first gen iPhone on. A5 is guaranteed, higher res camera is guaranteed. All nice and dandy but there is only one thing that they need to do to have me instantly snag the iPhone 5 from my current iPhone 4... 64GB!!!! please god give me more space!
-Thank you
it was delayed because their engineers couldn't keep the A5 chip cool enough in the phone...
it's been too long, apple will be playing catch up now, there isn't a phone out there that doesn't have the latest available kit. So what ever apple will do, they'll only catch up to the competition
it's been too long, apple will be playing catch up now, there isn't a phone out there that doesn't have the latest available kit. So what ever apple will do, they'll only catch up to the competition
Really? what phone has a dual core GPU, one that was launched 8 mos ago. The A5 is as fast as the current 1.4 Ghz dual cores out now. Regardless of clock speed. Higher clock more heat less battery life. Apple instead added the memory on die for faster processing lower clock speed.
When the iPhone 4 was released its hardware was at the top or near it. When the iPad 2 was released it was the top and maybe still is.
When the the iPhone 5 is released it will near the top or near it.
It will be much harder for Apple to impress me, now that Samsung launched the Galaxy Note. Sure, it size may not be for everyone, but it can't be denied that it's an awesome device, and Samsung has done its share of innovation this time. I'm usually an Apple fan, but I admit that Samsung did the "shocking and awing" this time.
Now go ahead and downrank me because I'm not acting like a brainwashed zealot.
Now go ahead and downrank me because I'm not acting like a brainwashed zealot.
Doesn't this all depend on who is being shocked and awed? If Apple came out with a quad-core 22nm 1.5GHz CPU, similarly upgraded GPU and 4GB of memory then I suspect that most of us here and in the tech press would be very shocked and awed but we're not 90+% of the customer base. Most shoppers in retail stores would react with "what's a GPU?".
To shock and awe the vast majority of the target customer base needs innovation in more user-visible features and I'm beginning to run out of ideas as to where that could happen. Insanely svelte form factor and huge leaps in battery life might be two examples that might create a "wow" from non-technical users. If they could get some massive leap in sensor technology such that the iPhone became the only phone camera where one could do a 3x digital zoom at a concert or something and still have the zoomed image at the quality of most other phone's full sensor resolution then that might be another "wow" feature. It's looking very possible that there will be some sort of screen size increase but I'm not sure it will be (or should be) big enough to shock and awe the general public because if it gets too big then the thing becomes unpocketable. We seem to be down to improvements in tech specs that much of the general public won't really connect with.
I don't believe the above holds for the iPad by the way since people tend to use PC performance as more of a reference point for a tablet than they do for a phone so performance improvements with the iPad, if sufficiently agressive, could still shock and awe the general public. All just my opinion of course.
- Julian
It's dragging on like a blade now. We're now in September and no real world on even an event to anouce the thing. I'm getting a little board of waiting.
In has thought that we would have heard by now that there would be and event mid month anouning iOS5 release date at the end of the month with the iPhone 5 being released 2 weeks later.
Now I don't know if we will even see it by November.
In has thought that we would have heard by now that there would be and event mid month anouning iOS5 release date at the end of the month with the iPhone 5 being released 2 weeks later.
Now I don't know if we will even see it by November.
I can't help but think with the length of time Apple is taking with the iPhone 5 that they are planning on releasing one heck of a phone. I think they see the popularity of the high powered Android devices being released and are ready to do battle. With the iPhone, 3G, and then 3GS Apple was already still so far ahead of Android devices at the time they were ok with staying the course and releasing incremental upgrades. With the rise of bigger and more powerful Android devices, Apple made much more drastic changes with the iPhone 4. In the 14+ months since the iPhone 4 was released, Android devices have become much much more powerful and feature packed. Now with HD screen devices becoming the norm, high power dual core (quad core early 2012), 1080p video recording, LTE, etc, I think Apple decided they could not release an incremental upgrade of the iPhone 4 to have out until the next refresh around Summer 2012.
I believe they made a decision early on that they would take their time with the iPhone 5, wait for high end parts availability, maybe even paying manufacturers to move up release dates (think LTE chips) and drop the proverbial bomb on Android. I honestly would not be surprised to see a 4.X", 1080p recording, LTE enabled, thinner, more powerful iPhone 5 shown. I know if we look at Apple's tendencies it would seem unlikely but the smartphone landscape has changed dramatically in the past year. I also would not be surprised to see a slew of awesome new features for iOS 5.
I know, I'm daydreaming, but it sure would be great to be surprised
That's why I will not be surprised if they suddenly do come up with that Aatma iPhone 5 concept as the real deal. Slightly thicker then, maybe being to unrealistic but you never know. It fits the form of quite some rumours.
What percentage of iPhone users are following the rumor mill and really care about all the supposed features and designs that everyone is slinging around? I would say it is low single digits in percentage points. Apple could release a minimum update and most users would't really care. Would I like to see some new cool features/hardware, yes. Is it going to stop me from upgrading from my 3GS if it's not a Monster upgrade, nope.
Shock and Awe?
I was 'shocked' that the iPhone 4 still had a 3.5" screen when everyone else went to 4". I was 'awed' that everyone bought an entirely glass encased mobile phone (and then preceded to cover it up with the horrid looking cases that exaggerated the brick design)
Shock and Awe this time would be (FINALLY) A 4" screen and rounded back. A rounded back because moving up to 4" and keeping the brick design will be terrible to hold. Can't really call that Shock and Awe though. It would just be common sense.
I was 'shocked' that the iPhone 4 still had a 3.5" screen when everyone else went to 4". I was 'awed' that everyone bought an entirely glass encased mobile phone (and then preceded to cover it up with the horrid looking cases that exaggerated the brick design)
Shock and Awe this time would be (FINALLY) A 4" screen and rounded back. A rounded back because moving up to 4" and keeping the brick design will be terrible to hold. Can't really call that Shock and Awe though. It would just be common sense.
Very well said. And i completely agree.
I'm looking forward to the new Voice controls that we'll be getting with iOS 5.
It's strange how people feel that three months is an "Exceptional" delay. It confuses me immensely. Three months is, like, nothing.
"September instead of June? THEY BETTER AMAZE ME!!!!"
C'mon
"September instead of June? THEY BETTER AMAZE ME!!!!
"C'mon
Apple needs to come up with something that isn't just playing catch up Android when it comes to specs and features. And it shouldn't just play catch up to the jailbreak dev community. For it to be revolutionary, it needs to be able to change the game for years to come and when imitations starts to become a form of flattery. Similar to when its competitors did by taking cues from iPhone's GUI and app store. Prior to iPhone, nobody cared about an interface or apps on a phone as much as they do now. iPhone made you care about them. Apple didn't invent these ideas, but they helped popularize them and made them so much easier to use. I think the recent app trend is similar to how I used to collect DVD's. After getting all my favorite movies on that format, I stopped buying them and didn't re-buy them on Blu-ray.
I loved that concept of a projector that can show a keyboard that you can type on and do multi-touch. Now that I can see is gamechanging and where I know others will follow. I can see projectors inside phones will be more common within a few years and be that latest gimmick/trend once we all get our "fill" from app collecting.
I loved that concept of a projector that can show a keyboard that you can type on and do multi-touch. Now that I can see is gamechanging and where I know others will follow. I can see projectors inside phones will be more common within a few years and be that latest gimmick/trend once we all get our "fill" from app collecting.
To be honest though, Apple gets it's due because it makes those things WORK. Obviously it hasn't yet, but the past makes that true.
Plus, the iPhone 4 is still the thinnest smartphone I beleive.
I'm also tired of people thinking that smartphone 1080P video recording is the same quality as something that would come out of an Panasonic HVX camera or something. You won't even notice the difference to be honest with you. [/rant]
I think it is gonna be shock and awe. Does it have to be? No.
This is what I think will be the big features. I will give some reasons.
4 inch screen. Most evidence points to this and I believe it to be the perfect size.
8MP Camera this is a no brainer.
1080p Recording
A5 again a no brainer.
LTE: everyone says no way. This is the way. Apple built their own LTE chip. With a slightly larger 4 inch phone there is room for their new LTE chip. Why do I believe this? Motorola did it. The Droid Bionic has it's own LTE chip which has allowed the Bionic to be thinner with great battery life. 10 hours on LTE with heavy usage and 15 hours on LTE with moderate usage.
Proof: this is Macrumors I know you want it. A guy got lucky and received a Bionic early. He has been posting reviews on Android Central. So here ya go Droid Bionic during one of his reviews you will see Battery Usage. He has heavy usage on 4G with 5 hours use and more than 50% battery left.
If motorola can build their own LTE chip and have great battery life. Then why the heck wouldn't Apple? Are they not more innovative? Building their own chip, like motorola, would give more explanation for the delayed release.
If they bring all of these things to the table. There will be shock and awe!
This is what I think will be the big features. I will give some reasons.
4 inch screen. Most evidence points to this and I believe it to be the perfect size.
8MP Camera this is a no brainer.
1080p Recording
A5 again a no brainer.
LTE: everyone says no way. This is the way. Apple built their own LTE chip. With a slightly larger 4 inch phone there is room for their new LTE chip. Why do I believe this? Motorola did it. The Droid Bionic has it's own LTE chip which has allowed the Bionic to be thinner with great battery life. 10 hours on LTE with heavy usage and 15 hours on LTE with moderate usage.
Proof: this is Macrumors I know you want it. A guy got lucky and received a Bionic early. He has been posting reviews on Android Central. So here ya go Droid Bionic during one of his reviews you will see Battery Usage. He has heavy usage on 4G with 5 hours use and more than 50% battery left.
If motorola can build their own LTE chip and have great battery life. Then why the heck wouldn't Apple? Are they not more innovative? Building their own chip, like motorola, would give more explanation for the delayed release.
If they bring all of these things to the table. There will be shock and awe!