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... Apple knows how to succeed even with a small marketshare. Look at the Mac.

iPhone 4 just got released in India THIS year and their population is in the billions. It is a 2010 phone which is still the best-selling phone of 2011 and among all smartphones in history. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Milk it while the coal is still hot.

Countries like India are a prime example of why Apple needs a low priced model that can be sold anywhere.

A billion potential buyers are meaningless if they can't afford it and the data plan, or data isn't widely available.

It took almost a year just to sell 20,000 iPhones after it first arrived in India. Three years later, I'm not sure they've even broken six digits yet. The iPhone costs too much and Nokia/RIM have better mindshare and more availability.
 
A few key points here that I think we should all keep in mind...

Yes, WE are the "geeks" who sit around speculating about what specs the new iPhone will have, but while we may be the most avid smartphone (be it iOS, Android, etc.) around, we are not the core demographic that Apple markets the iPhone to. That's part of what makes the iPhone so "magical". It appeals to such a broad audience. Who do you see walking around carrying iPhones these days? Spoiled pre-teen girls, 70 year old grandfathers, and everyone in between. The same could be said for Android devices, I suppose, but honestly, I don't think that any smartphone has obtained the level of cultural impact of the iOS devices.

If you leave "us" (the Macrumors, forum browsing, speculating, hardcore fans) out of the picture, you will come to realize that the general public, as a whole, is not very knowledgeable about the smartphone world. Technical specs, mean very little to most people, unless it's something that wireless providers have been pushing as the next "big thing", like LTE. Mr. Schmoe doesn't know how LTE works, he just knows that it's faster than that horrid old 3G technology, and therefore better than 3G, all because the commercials told him so. You say "But Joe, this shiny new Samsung Galaxy S2 is better than the iPhone is several very important areas", and start going all tech geek on him. When you're finished, Joe will ask "Yeah, but will it still do Facebook?" or "Yeah, but will I still be able to play Angry Birds?".

The majority of people purchasing smartphones want a phone that "just works", and this is the area where Apple has excelled above all others. Interface and ease of use. I can't seem to find the study, but I remember reading an article a while back that stated a surprisingly large (to me anyway) percentage of iPhones users had never upgraded their firmware since their phone was activated. This means they could care less about new features, new notifications, etc.

So what does all this have to do with "Shock and Awe"? The Macrumors crowd may care a great deal about knowing every detail about whatever new iPhone that will be released. Yes, most of us know that more megapixels doesn't mean a better camera, but to most consumers, more = better. Slap a new camera in there, perhaps a better camera in the front, and add a little more processing power, and iPhone 4 owners will still be lining up in front of the Apple stores a week ahead of time, paying outrageous early termination fees, just to have the newest iDevice. LTE or no LTE, Apple will sell millions of iPhone 5's, or 4Gs', or whatever they call it. Bigger screen or not, they will sell millions. Is it the most innovative approach? Certainly not, but it seems that Apple is willing to play their best long game. While everyone is rushing out the newest, greatest LTE devices on the market, Apple's researchers are sitting back making tiny little adjustments here and there, in pursuit of perfection. Could Apple have slapped an LTE chip in the new iPhone? Of course they could have, and who knows, there's an outside chance they may still do it. If they did, I would imagine that after a few hours playing with our awesome new smartphone, we would all take to the forums, bitching about how our battery life is terrible and asking Apple how dare they release a phone to the public when it obviously wasn't ready.
 
Nevadadrifter, I agree with you.

But I will say this, something that has been ignored by all of us, is that Apple had better shock and awe Wall St. If they come out with some lame incremental upgrade at a time when Android devices are coming out slicker than ever, you bet Wall St is not going to be as kind as the masses. I've already read several articles chiding Apple for their iOS 5 being only an incremental update and basically taking ideas from Android and other developers. If they do the same with the iPhone 5 you can bet they won't be pleased and Apple's shareholders will feel it.
 
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Nevadadrifter, I agree with you.

But I will say this, something that has been ignored by all of us, is that Apple had better shock and awe Wall St. If they come out with some lame incremental upgrade at a time when Android devices are coming out slicker than ever, you bet Wall St is not going to be as kind as the masses. I've already read several articles chiding Apple for their iOS 5 being only an incremental update and basically taking ideas from Android and other developers. If they do the same with the iPhone 4 you can bet they won't be pleased and Apple's shareholders will feel it.

100% agree. Let's hope that this 4-5 month delay is for a new design and not merely to wait for ios5 to finally go gold.
 
This seems to be the year for Software as oppossed to Hardware refreshes. However I would still hope that Apple improves upon the IPHONE4.
Hopefully we're in for a big surprise that nobody anticipated..:)
 
I'm a little late to this thread but to the OP's point. I don't think apple's MO is about Shock and Awe but continual incremental updates. To that point I don't think we'll see a huge update
 
I think the issue here is that a release that manages to meet the ability of phones that are already in the market isn't so much shock and awe, it's more of a, "there, we're caught up for now."

Edit: Oh and if their best effort in a year and a half is a slightly bumped 4s? Watch the market share slip, slip away. I'm an Apple fan, I just don't always agree with how they do things.
 
Edit: Oh and if their best effort in a year and a half is a slightly bumped 4s? Watch the market share slip, slip away. I'm an Apple fan, I just don't always agree with how they do things.

The iPhone 5 will really tell us a lot about Apple, one way or the other.
 
We're seeing the tail end of the "Wouldn't it be super cool if..." parade. They're releasing a marginal update. If you take the more solid rumors to heart, you'll see that there is little chance of a "Shock and Awe" product coming to us. That's not their style. They release maginal updates that excite us just enough to upgrade.

For the sake of humoring the idea, yes, it would be cool.

They do see the popularity of Android, but we all see how Apple is still sitting pretty on top of the hill they've conquered.

i disagree. i stick with my original prediction - this version has a light saber built in.
 
I think the only changes will be upgrades on what they already have, if it ain't broke don't fix it, the iPhone 4 is as close to perfection as you can get.

My predictions

64gb model
Increased processor and RAM
1080p video recording
8mp camera

the only shock and awe for me is that I firmly believe that Steve will be doing the keynote
 
There will be an iPhone released this year. Don't worry. But it won't be the 5 from what I'm hearing.

So you're the all knowing one with the 100% accurate sources huh...my guess is you're reading the same rumors as the rest of us. That being the case, everything is pretty inconclusive and in my mind the rumors are slightly tilted on the side of a completely redesigned device. Again, that's just conjecture which is all anyone in these forums can offer.
 
I'm a little late to this thread but to the OP's point. I don't think apple's MO is about Shock and Awe but continual incremental updates. To that point I don't think we'll see a huge update

Yes I agree in the past that was true, but the landscape has changed and they really cannot afford to just increase the processor capability and bump the ram, lest they want their stock price to tumble. They've already caught a lot of flack (from outside of MacRumors) for Lion and iOS 5, and deservedly so. With their 1+ year refresh rate, and the fact that people are stuck in 2 year contracts, even if they came out with a 4" screen, 1080p recording and 8mpx cam, dual core proc, 1GB RAM, they would just now be BARELY meeting current specs, not to mention the movement is moving towards higher res and bigger screens, higher power dual core procs, and more that would overshadow it in the next couple of months.


The iPhone 5 will really tell us a lot about Apple, one way or the other.

Agree.
 
Nevadadrifter, I agree with you.

But I will say this, something that has been ignored by all of us, is that Apple had better shock and awe Wall St. If they come out with some lame incremental upgrade at a time when Android devices are coming out slicker than ever, you bet Wall St is not going to be as kind as the masses. I've already read several articles chiding Apple for their iOS 5 being only an incremental update and basically taking ideas from Android and other developers. If they do the same with the iPhone 5 you can bet they won't be pleased and Apple's shareholders will feel it.

I for one could care less what Wall Street thinks of Apple. There stock price could be $300 a share or $500, since I have none how does that affect me? I just want a good phone. If it meets my needs, my expectations then I'm happy.
 
I for one could care less what Wall Street thinks of Apple. There stock price could be $300 a share or $500, since I have none how does that affect me? I just want a good phone. If it meets my needs, my expectations then I'm happy.
It's "could not care less" (just think about that logically - not just in terms of regional variation), but I for one certainly care about their stock price given that I inherited a load of Apple shares that were bought when they were around $50 a share. I can still have a good phone from them, and profit in the process.
 
Yes I agree in the past that was true, but the landscape has changed and they really cannot afford to just increase the processor capability and bump the ram, lest they want their stock price to tumble. They've already caught a lot of flack (from outside of MacRumors) for Lion and iOS 5, and deservedly so. With their 1+ year refresh rate, and the fact that people are stuck in 2 year contracts, even if they came out with a 4" screen, 1080p recording and 8mpx cam, dual core proc, 1GB RAM, they would just now be BARELY meeting current specs, not to mention the movement is moving towards higher res and bigger screens, higher power dual core procs, and more that would overshadow it in the next couple of months.

Aren't we being a bit overly dramatic?

Have we learned nothing from the failure of "Your wife will love the dual core Tegra chipset." competitors? Are we forgetting that just yesterday Apple (a company that makes 2 models of phones at a time) is projected to be the WORLDS top smartphone vendor for 2011? People want a phone that "just works" and though some on here may be disappointed in the next iPhones specs or features, it will be snatched up by consumers as fast as they can make them.

And you can take that to the bank.
 
Holographic display with quad-core i13 chips, 2TB drive, with Time Capsule (Airport Extreme tethering usage free of course). It will be "regular" iPhone size but will pull larger from all sides if need be to increase it to a 7" display. It will have a larger button but it is half Home button and half Facebook button.
 
I think the only changes will be upgrades on what they already have, if it ain't broke don't fix it, the iPhone 4 is as close to perfection as you can get.

My predictions

64gb model
Increased processor and RAM
1080p video recording
8mp camera

the only shock and awe for me is that I firmly believe that Steve will be doing the keynote

The iPhone with the most negative publicity, with numerous faults and issues, such as the antennagate, proximity sensor issue, broken glass issue, poor ergonomics etc. and the fact that consumer report couldn't even recommend it.... is as close to perfection as you can get?

I hope your post was sarcasm, because the iPhone 4 is just the opposite. Apple got it wrong with the 4, and i believe they realized it, that's why according to credible sources the iPhone 4 design "fell out of favor" by the Apple executives. It's very broke, and Apple does need to fix it.

The iPhone 5 will be much more than a small spec upgrade, this one will be massive. And will indeed be, the biggest leap since the original. Internally and Externally, if rumors are true.
If Apple just wanted to release an iPhone model with the upgrades you stated, then they could have easily done so a long time ago.
 
I'm calling a 2012 June release. Imagine how many threads would erupt until then :D
 
Im buying the next gen JUST to have the latest. Other than a car, this is just one of those things that I always look forward to buying. Im a sucker for Apple products.

Even though I absolutely LOVE my iPhone 4, I cant wait for the new one, whenever it comes out.
 
How cool would it be if Apple started the Keynote giving us the iPhone 4S...so everyone is happy but disappointed because it's a "new" phone (A5 processor is the only change) but not the showstopper everyone believed would be unveiled, price is not revealed or storage capacity and release info will be given soon. Then Apple gives us the date for iOS 5 release we get cheers and applause. They move on to the iPod portion of the show, iPod classic is killed off, we get a bigger iPod nano and the "surprise" last announcement of iPod Touch 3g in black or white with 16gb, 32gb and 64gb storage. Everyone applauds and Tim Cook says "Oh and one more thing before we leave....." and BAM!!!! Steve Jobs walks out with the iPhone 5.
 
How cool would it be if Apple started the Keynote giving us the iPhone 4S...so everyone is happy but disappointed because it's a "new" phone (A5 processor is the only change) but not the showstopper everyone believed would be unveiled, price is not revealed or storage capacity and release info will be given soon. Then Apple gives us the date for iOS 5 release we get cheers and applause. They move on to the iPod portion of the show, iPod classic is killed off, we get a bigger iPod nano and the "surprise" last announcement of iPod Touch 3g in black or white with 16gb, 32gb and 64gb storage. Everyone applauds and Tim Cook says "Oh and one more thing before we leave....." and BAM!!!! Steve Jobs walks out with the iPhone 5.

Although i see no point of a iPod Touch 3G, when they can just make a pre-paid iPhone. I do like your idea, and i think it would be amazing.
 
iPhone 5 release details

The iPhone 5 will have all same specs as iPhone4,

but will be offered in five different colors -- lime (lime green), strawberry (pinkish-red), blueberry (royal blue), grape (purple), and tangerine (orange-yellow).

Becomes top-selling smartphone 2011, 2012 and 2013.
 
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