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Anyone else think Apple is going to go with a little "Shock and Awe" ?
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but considering how much they mentioned that when they announced the iPhone 4 and knowing that it's apple, they'd do it right, they'd do 8 mp but also increase the other things to truly make it a good 8mp, not just a "look what I've got, it says 8mp"
People on MR do not make up a huge demographic. We are the folks who tend to camp out for launch day releases. We make up the "heatseekers" who want the latest and greatest but still a very small % among potential buyers. The majority of the countries outside North America and Europe are under a prepaid plan and it is why the majority of all cell phone users today are still on a dumb phone all over the world.
Reality is Apple can't make this into a "numbers game" when it comes to specs vs Android. They only have the opportunity to announce an iPhone ONCE per year. Android has the benefit of getting announced all the time and with different price points and form factors. Of course, this also helps Apple build up any anticipation to make us salivating for it. The only numbers Apple really cares about is the ones next to a $ and commas. A net profit is more important to them than volume. You can sell 100x for a glass of lemonade for 25 cents each. That is $25. The guy who sold 30 for a glass of lemonade for $1 still made more money than you. Apple knows how to succeed even with a small marketshare. Look at the Mac. iPhone 4 just got released in India THIS year and their population is in the billions. It is a 2010 phone which is still the best-selling phone of 2011 and among all smartphones in history. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Milk it while the coal is still hot.
If multiple iPhones gets released on all carriers, expect an onslaught in volume sales. I can see Apple take up the top four spots in sales with the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and iPhone 5 if they all get released on the four major carriers in the U.S. That's why expect to see another record breaking season in 2012 and a year after that and a year after that. I can see iPhones peaking in sales from 2012-2014. After that, who knows? All good things come to an end and using the same formula eventually becomes redundant too. This year, I see Apple expanding more of their volume shares by making it more available to more demographics and carriers.
Check out sales of all iPods....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg
It went to 50M by 2007 when the iPod touch got introduced making it the 4th line of iPods next to the shuffle, nano, and classic. The iPod nano was on its 3rd gen and iPod classic already was on its 6th and final gen. It leveled off slightly last year since iPhone and iPad is eliminating the need for another device like the iPod touch that essentially does the same thing.
I can see iPhone mirroring its success even after six years after its release just like what the iPods did. From there, who knows? Like in fashion, not everything stays cool forever.
Reality is Apple can't make this into a "numbers game" when it comes to specs vs Android. They only have the opportunity to announce an iPhone ONCE per year. Android has the benefit of getting announced all the time and with different price points and form factors. Of course, this also helps Apple build up any anticipation to make us salivating for it. The only numbers Apple really cares about is the ones next to a $ and commas. A net profit is more important to them than volume. You can sell 100x for a glass of lemonade for 25 cents each. That is $25. The guy who sold 30 for a glass of lemonade for $1 still made more money than you. Apple knows how to succeed even with a small marketshare. Look at the Mac. iPhone 4 just got released in India THIS year and their population is in the billions. It is a 2010 phone which is still the best-selling phone of 2011 and among all smartphones in history. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Milk it while the coal is still hot.
If multiple iPhones gets released on all carriers, expect an onslaught in volume sales. I can see Apple take up the top four spots in sales with the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and iPhone 5 if they all get released on the four major carriers in the U.S. That's why expect to see another record breaking season in 2012 and a year after that and a year after that. I can see iPhones peaking in sales from 2012-2014. After that, who knows? All good things come to an end and using the same formula eventually becomes redundant too. This year, I see Apple expanding more of their volume shares by making it more available to more demographics and carriers.
Check out sales of all iPods....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg
It went to 50M by 2007 when the iPod touch got introduced making it the 4th line of iPods next to the shuffle, nano, and classic. The iPod nano was on its 3rd gen and iPod classic already was on its 6th and final gen. It leveled off slightly last year since iPhone and iPad is eliminating the need for another device like the iPod touch that essentially does the same thing.
I can see iPhone mirroring its success even after six years after its release just like what the iPods did. From there, who knows? Like in fashion, not everything stays cool forever.
You know, if you had said that in June or July, I wouldn't have agreed. But now, I think there's a pretty good possibility that what you say is true. An LTE global iPhone (that can work on CDMA and GSM anywhere around the world), would definitely leave me in shock and awe.
I realize that LTE has yet to be deployed everywhere, but there are certainly some indications that carriers are gearing up their LTE networks right now. AT&T finally got some LTE coverage in a few select cities. So I dunno... it could be that the delay was for LTE.
A feature that a majority of users can't use, and won't be able to for months on end, doesn't illicit shock and awe.
Really now? If, for a moment, we assume that Apple did unveil an iPhone 5 with LTE, would you not be shocked? You might even be awed (but I suppose that depends on you). I would certainly be both shocked and awed if they went ahead with it.
Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, a "feature that a majority of users can't use, and won't be able to for months on end..." sounds a lot like Thunderbolt. Or FaceTime in its beginning stages. I'm sure quite a few people were shocked and awed by these new technologies, particularly the latter.
Well, all else being equal, it does. But I assume the sensor quality will improve. But if it's only "equal" then i'd rather have smaller file sizes.
Honestly, no. Either way really I guess I'd be indifferent. They wouldn't be the first to have it, and I don't live in an area that's gonna have LTE anytime soon...so no shock, no awe.
"FaceTime" was something that each user COULD use though. Even if not the FaceTime app, there were/are 3rd party apps that users could utilize cross platform. Not to mention, the front camera in itself was a nice addition.
If this becomes the case and the iPhone 5 is released with LTE and good battery life, then my decision for a carrier will become much simpler: Verizon. They currently have the most widespread LTE network of all the carriers. However, if the iPhone 5 doesn't have LTE support and only HSPA+ support (and it's released on all the carriers), then I'm going with T-Mobile fo the iPhone. But I really hope it has a battery efficient LTE chip.
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FaceTime in its infancy only had as many users as the iPhone 4 user base. In other words, it was a feature that majority of the iPhone 4 users couldn't use for months after the iPhone 4 release because their friends and families didn't have an iPhone 4 yet and there were not other FaceTime devices.
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If you guys are hoping for LTE, then yes you'll be disappointed. I highly doubt the iPhone 5 will sport it. What features will it have though? Everything else.
I'm currently content with my 3G speeds, and i bet it'll be a hell of a lot better in a few years when everyone goes to LTE.
I'm currently content with my 3G speeds, and i bet it'll be a hell of a lot better in a few years when everyone goes to LTE.
Agree with you 100%. AT&T 3G in southern california is fairly fast enough for the Internet use I do. Being grandfathered in the unlimited plan, I'm not willing to switch to Verizon anytime soon...
Yes, HSPA+ is a nice boost from basic 3G. I've seen speeds as high as 6-7Mbps here in the SF Bay Area.
I'd rather have that than a battery killing LTE chip.
Does Apple even have in-house LTE development capability?
I would be shocked and awed by LTE.
I'd rather have that than a battery killing LTE chip.
Does Apple even have in-house LTE development capability?
I would be shocked and awed by LTE.
Ah, FaceTime launched on all Macs and iPad 2's as well. It wasn't just a iPhone 4 feature. Literally millions of users had access to FaceTime at launch iPhone 4 or not.
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Att HSPA+ is just as fast as LTE currently. Ones a mature technology and at it's zenith and the other is not. I am averaging 7mps down and 1 mb up. That is much faster than Verizon's Rev A which is molasses in comparison. Which is what most of the nation is on as far as Verizon goes.
I don't think a small spec bump will do it for everyone this time, but apple always finds a way to add a feature that everyone "needs". Hopefully this time around it won't be software oriented and if it is it's because of the hardware so some lame excuse of why they just couldn't include it in the software update for the iPhone 4 because they didn't like the preformance. That was a bit negative sounding
. Um I seriously hope that there is more to the iPhone this time that the rumors being put out I don't want a small spec bump this time
. Um I seriously hope that there is more to the iPhone this time that the rumors being put out I don't want a small spec bump this time 
It's strange how people feel that three months is an "Exceptional" delay. It confuses me immensely. Three months is, like, nothing.
"September instead of June? THEY BETTER AMAZE ME!!!!
C'mon
Problem is the iPhone4 is massively over priced right now for its spec and already very out dated. 3 months is a long time in the smart phone world. All the signs are pointing to the iPhone 5 being a minor update. My brother who loves his iPhone 3GS is majorly considering leaving the iPhone and going Android because it has more things he wants like a larger screen. Apps wise it will have everything he wants.
Well, FaceTime was announced at the iPhone 4 WWDC event in June 2010. When it was announced, iPhone 4 was the only iOS device that had a front facing camera. Macs at the time didn't have FaceTime. iPod Touch with a front facing camera and FaceTime was announced Sept 2010. FaceTime for Mac OS X was put on the Mac app store in Feb 2011, and iPad 2 with FaceTime was announced in March 2011.
So from June to September, iPhone 4 was the only device that had FaceTime. I'd argue that not until Feb 2011, when FaceTime finally became available for Mac, did FaceTime finally reach a large enough user base as Apple originally intended.
What I was trying to say was that, FaceTime in its infancy (the period from June to September, or even longer), had a pretty small user base (only the people who had bought iPhone 4's in that period). But now, it has a huge user base comprised of iPad 2 owners, iPod touch owners, Mac OS X owners, etc.
Hey douchebag, you ASKED ME if I would be shocked if it included LTE and I answered you. I didn't offer that up unsolicited so save your sarcasm for someone else.
Man, you are dense. To use FaceTime, they needed another new feature, a ffc. Which EVERYONE could use. And you didn't mention 3rd party apps, I did. FaceTime is not unique. Having those other apps available made video chatting open to more people....therefore, the ability to video chat was as 'limited' as you are making it out to be. The FFC and software, FaceTime or 3rd party, was a huge addition to the phone. Just limiting it to only those who FaceTime-FaceTime chat is cherry picking.
Hey azooth, and to anyone else:
I'm really sorry about that. I was having quite a bad day (and still am, sort of), and I sincerely apologize for venting it here. I'm not being facetious here or anything, so please do accept my apology. I definitely didn't mean to come off sounding like that. Sorry azooth, and sorry to anyone else who I might have offended. I'm gonna get off of Macrumors a bit now.
Sorry again guys..
I'm really sorry about that. I was having quite a bad day (and still am, sort of), and I sincerely apologize for venting it here. I'm not being facetious here or anything, so please do accept my apology. I definitely didn't mean to come off sounding like that. Sorry azooth, and sorry to anyone else who I might have offended. I'm gonna get off of Macrumors a bit now.
Sorry again guys..
Its starting to make sense that Apple will make the phone smaller and make the screen larger, it goes with everything they stand for by pushing the boundaries and such.
"we did the unthinkable, it is MAGICAL!! we made the actual phone size smaller yet increased the screen size"
Sadly I think it will be 4", if so i will probably be switching . I think 4.3 or a 4.5 would nice. The more i see these other phones out there the more i want one with a larger screen.
I will definitely be trying out the Bionic, Prime and Note once they are all released.
"we did the unthinkable, it is MAGICAL!! we made the actual phone size smaller yet increased the screen size"
Sadly I think it will be 4", if so i will probably be switching
. I think 4.3 or a 4.5 would nice. The more i see these other phones out there the more i want one with a larger screen. I will definitely be trying out the Bionic, Prime and Note once they are all released.