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Neocell said:
I imagine you're not alone. I didn't want to sound like I was completely against them, it's just they need to used appropriately.
Glad they're working for you

That's the problem, their effects are reducing. Hence the change in meds.


Dunepilot said:
Just out of interest, would any of you on the antidepressants link your depression with past use of recreational drugs? That seems to have a major effect on mental health in general, from my limited knowledge of the subject.

Interesting question!
I did smoke dope for a few years in my late teens. I stopped when I noticed my short term memory was shot and I'd developed a stutter. So it could be, my Dr's never asked about drug use so I couldn't sure.
 
Sorry bartelby, I just reread my post and, at least to me, it sounded as if it could have been sarcastic. Wasn't meant to be. I'm just glad that the antidepressants have kept you alive, not that you're having problems with them now.
 
Drugs are ev...Tom, Tom! Get away from the keyboard!...Scient...No,no no! Nobody cares about L. Ron Hubbard....Psyc...stop that! Look, Tom it's the Mother Ship! Go, go, go. Sorry, he saw the thread title and I couldn't stop him from getting to the keyboard. :D

[edit] meant to hit preview: point was, I'm not against psychiatric medications so much as against the concept of ONLY using psychiatric medications. If you need these things, you should be really TALKING with somebody consistently, it's not Pez, these things are powerful. And 15 minutes / month to check on a prescription isn't good care, IMO.[/edit]
 
neocell said:
Sorry bartelby, I just reread my post and, at least to me, it sounded as if it could have been sarcastic. Wasn't meant to be. I'm just glad that the antidepressants have kept you alive, not that you're having problems with them now.


No apology necessary, I didn't read any sarcasm into it, in fact I didn't read any negative stuff into it!
:)
 
meant to hit preview: point was, I'm not against psychiatric medications so much as against the concept of ONLY using psychiatric medications. If you need these things, you should be really TALKING with somebody consistently, it's not Pez, these things are powerful. And 15 minutes / month to check on a prescription isn't good care, IMO.

I agree totally. That's why I am wondering if I can control this via therapy alone. Problem is, I can only get in once per week to talk to a real therapist. Friends and family are good too, but a real therapist can see things in ways most people can't.

Today has been an OK day so far. But, it is lunch, which is often the turning point from good to bad or vice versa. I think I'll wait another week and see if I'm still feeling the same. If there's no improvement, I will talk to my doctor about prescription options. I really don't want to get on a steady heavy dose of anything though...

We'll see.

Thanks for your input so far.
 
About 5 years ago, I was put on a 100mg daily dose of Zoloft, and rather than going from a depressed state to a happy state, it just took the depression away... I felt like I lacked any kind of emotions whatsoever. Everything became extremely morbid and it just keep getting worse the longer I was on it. Oddly enough, as soon as I stopped taking it, I gained a sense of happiness that has pretty much sustained itself through today.

That whole incident has kinda pushed me to steer clear of taking any kind of medicine... I'm terrified of not feeling completely in control of myself.
 
75mg of effexor. Been taking it for about a year and a half now. keeps me normal pretty much all the time. sometimes i get the grumps, and have some blow outs but not near as bad as they used to be. i used to just wake up angry all the time and depressed all the time. now, i that only happens rarely, like if i don't take my meds. good luck.
 
janey said:
that's ativan, right? that stuff works great for insomnia, i didn't feel as ...slow as i did with ambien.

yep. it's also super addictive as it's a benzodiazepine, taking it regularly for sleep isn't really a good idea. ambien is chemically related and designed to not be addictive in the same way, but it kinda screws up the part about helping with sleep.
 
zach said:
yep. it's also super addictive as it's a benzodiazepine, taking it regularly for sleep isn't really a good idea. ambien is chemically related and designed to not be addictive in the same way, but it kinda screws up the part about helping with sleep.
i have express instructions not to take them more than 3 times a week or something...so yeah i figured that :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
I've been taking 20mg of Fluoxetine (generic Prozac) a day for 6 weeks now. Not really noticed much positive effect yet, but the side effects - yikes!

Week 1-2 - Headaches, feeling sick, twitches, involuntary muscle spasms.
Weeks 2-4 - Still bit twitchy. Notice I take about 5 times longer to climax during sex. Want to sleep LOTS.
Weeks 4-6 - Had the squits for nearly the whole of the last 2 weeks.

Notable positive effect:
Week 4-6 - Don't tend to get caught up in paranoid worries or get stuck in circles but still feel emotionless and empty.
 
janey said:
i have express instructions not to take them more than 3 times a week or something...so yeah i figured that :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

even that's a little excessive IMO.. if you wanna see what happens when you take em a lot, look at alex :p
 
TMA said:
I've been taking 20mg of Fluoxetine (generic Prozac) a day for 6 weeks now. Not really noticed much positive effect yet, but the side effects - yikes!

Week 1-2 - Headaches, feeling sick, twitches, involuntary muscle spasms.
Weeks 2-4 - Still bit twitchy. Notice I take about 5 times longer to climax during sex. Want to sleep LOTS.
Weeks 4-6 - Had the squits for nearly the whole of the last 2 weeks.

Notable positive effect:
Week 4-6 - Don't tend to get caught up in paranoid worries or get stuck in circles but still feel emotionless and empty.


SSRIs take 6 - 8 weeks to start to take effect. The when I was on Citalopram it took about 10 weeks before I noticed positive effects.
 
TMA said:
I've been taking 20mg of Fluoxetine (generic Prozac) a day for 6 weeks now. Not really noticed much positive effect yet, but the side effects - yikes!

Week 1-2 - Headaches, feeling sick, twitches, involuntary muscle spasms.
Weeks 2-4 - Still bit twitchy. Notice I take about 5 times longer to climax during sex. Want to sleep LOTS.
Weeks 4-6 - Had the squits for nearly the whole of the last 2 weeks.

Notable positive effect:
Week 4-6 - Don't tend to get caught up in paranoid worries or get stuck in circles but still feel emotionless and empty.


what are squits?
 
bartelby said:
SSRIs take 6 - 8 weeks to start to take effect. The when I was on Citalopram it took about 10 weeks before I noticed positive effects.

Yeah I'm still hoping the intended effect hasn't happened yet and that I might notice something over the next few weeks. The thing that worries me is finding the right dose or drug that helps and how long it's going to take in total.

I've done loads of googling on the subject and researched the best I could before I started taking them, but didn't find that much information. I was hoping to find maybe a journal or blog describing noticeable effects (good and bad) over a few months, but I didn't. I know it varies from person to person but i'd definitely like to have read more about other peoples experiences (hence why I feel like giving the OP mine).
 
TMA said:
I've been taking 20mg of Fluoxetine (generic Prozac) a day for 6 weeks now. Not really noticed much positive effect yet, but the side effects - yikes!

Week 1-2 - Headaches, feeling sick, twitches, involuntary muscle spasms.
Weeks 2-4 - Still bit twitchy. Notice I take about 5 times longer to climax during sex. Want to sleep LOTS.
Weeks 4-6 - Had the squits for nearly the whole of the last 2 weeks.

Notable positive effect:
Week 4-6 - Don't tend to get caught up in paranoid worries or get stuck in circles but still feel emotionless and empty.

TMA,

Twitching and minor muscle spasms are a normal side effect of this drug that will taper off after a couple of months. The other side effects you mentioned ARE NOT NORMAL. You should definately tell your doctor. The one that struct me the most as not being normal is feeling sleepy. That is extremely unusual for this drug. The other thing I should mention is that Fluoxetine has a long half life; meaning that it will remain in your body for up to three weeks after you stop taking it, once you have given it time to build up - about three months. This feature of the drug makes it nice in case you miss a dose.
 
Funny thing with all these SSRIs is that their mechanism of action is exactly like cocaine, expect cocaine inhibits dopamine reuptake rather than serotonin. So because pharmaceutical agencies can legally sell these things, and make tonnes of money doing it, it is generally accepted as a good thing, bettering peoples lives. Whereas if you use cocaine, your a dirty drug-munger and you will be put in prison and condemned by society.
Similar to continual cocaine use, addiction will happen with SSRIs. You will get a down regulation of serotonin receptors, just like what happens with dopamine receptors with continual cocaine use, and you'll need to take more SSRIs to get the same effect. If you do decide to go off them, you have one of two choices. Cold turkey, in which your body will now have no where near enough synaptic serotonin in comparison to your post-synaptic serotonin receptor density, and if low serotonin levels were the reason for your depression, it's only going to be so much worse now than when your first started. Or, wean yourself off of them hoping that your body will adapt and increase the number of receptors.
With all these biochemical changes you're inducing in your brain and the dramatic impact they have on your thinking, will you even remember what feeling "normal" was like? Or will you be lost in a drug induced haze for the rest of your life, like a crack addict typified by Tyrone Biggums?
Not trying to rant here, but give some more information.
Like I said before anti-depressants can have great effects, you just have to be very, very, very careful with them.

The hypocrisy of US anti-drug policy does really get to me though.
 
TMA said:
Yeah I'm still hoping the intended effect hasn't happened yet and that I might notice something over the next few weeks. The thing that worries me is finding the right dose or drug that helps and how long it's going to take in total.

I've done loads of googling on the subject and researched the best I could before I started taking them, but didn't find that much information. I was hoping to find maybe a journal or blog describing noticeable effects (good and bad) over a few months, but I didn't. I know it varies from person to person but i'd definitely like to have read more about other peoples experiences (hence why I feel like giving the OP mine).


Dosage is the tricky one. I was upped to 40mg of Citalopram before we realised it wasn't doing much. I had muscle spasms too from it. With the Dosulepin (Dothiepin) I was put on 75mg a day, then after 10 weeks I was upped to 150mg a day. Side effects from this were pretty much the exact opposite of Citalopram, it totally killed sex drive, premature ejaculation oh and weight gain too, I've put on 2 stone (28lbs 13kgs) since taking it.
A couple of months back I was given a different brand of tablets, these made me nauseous, irritable, and tired all the time. So with the next prescription I went to 4 different chemists to find the original brand. Since switching back they've been ineffective.
I was given the choice of an increase to 225mg of Dosulepin or change back to SSRIs. So I thought I'd have a change.
 
I was put on Lexapro for a few months a few years back. It was awful. I was so tired all day I could barely function. I felt like I just wanted to lie down on the spot and sleep all day. I also had pronounced sexual side effects. None of the side effects went away after several months, so I told my doctor to take me off of it, and I've been much happier without it.

The one drug I got thereafter was Buspar, which I thought was great since it had zero side effects. However, its effect was minimal (even though it was there), so after a short while I didn't feel I needed it. I am happiest without those drugs.

I have tried 5-HTP from health food stores and do feel it makes you slightly more relaxed and helps you worry less without any side effects at all.
 
iSaint said:
My doctor (not the psychiatrist) told me that a good regimen of exercise helps in the fight against depression immensely. Anyone else been told that? I agree...when I get out and do something I feel much better.

It's absolutely true...I've been much more moody since I had to stop running because of my back.
 
I've been on a maintenance dose of Welbutrin for well over a decade now. It seems to work just fine for me, without noticeable side effects.

My doctor at first advised me that my periods of deep depression seemed to be cyclical, coming every few years, and that I might not need to be on antidepressants all the time, just when I notice a "bad spell" coming on. Well, I tried going without, and while it was technically true that I didn't routinely fall into deep depressions, I did notice I was more easily upset and angry without them.

So I'm back on a daily dose. My prescription allows me to take two per day if and when I'm going through a really bad period. That seems to work pretty well for me as I'm dealing with things relatively well now.

And yeah, it runs in the family. My brother tried to commit suicide once, and he's now taking much stronger stuff than I am.
 
iSaint said:
My doctor (not the psychiatrist) told me that a good regimen of exercise helps in the fight against depression immensely. Anyone else been told that? I agree...when I get out and do something I feel much better.

Exercise releases endorphins which, obviously, counteract depression. But it can trigger mania episodes, if you're that way inclined.
 
MACDRIVE said:
The other side effects you mentioned ARE NOT NORMAL. You should definately tell your doctor. The one that struct me the most as not being normal is feeling sleepy.

According to the leaflet that came with the tablets, feeling drowsy can be a side effect, however that is not quite how I would describe it.

It's more like I now WANT to sleep, where as before taking the tablets I hated having to sleep (although I don't dislike sleep, I always feel I need as much time to myself alone as possible and sleep takes this time away) Now it's like my mind is bored or has nothing to think about, so I guess I now see sleeping as something to do to occupy myself.

bartelby said:
Exercise releases endorphins which, obviously, counteract depression. But it can trigger mania episodes, if you're that way inclined.

I read somewhere (sorry don't remember where) that exercise basically helps maintain or can increase serotonin levels.
 
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