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I really think we’re all just really bored with technology right now. If in 2016 you told me three years later Apple would sell a 6.46” Samsung AMOLED iPhone with a beast A12 SoC and 4GB of ram I’d laugh at you. My single complaint with the display is the PPI, other than that it’s essentially flawless.

The S10’s still stutter here and there, and the overall fluidity of the device is still not the same as the latest XS iPhones and honestly probably never will be. And the S10’s WILL BE slower in two years no doubt. The fingerprint scanner is hit or miss and the hole punch displays interfere with 18:9 aspect ratio video, which I find annoying. I’m still not sure the hole punch is the best solution and there’s a ton of technology packed into the notch. I guess my question is, what features does the S10/S10+ have that we can’t live without in 2019?
 
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I can see arguments from both sides

Yes it is annoying seeing other phones adopts technology first - OLED and under the screen fingerprint scanner to name 2, but then its nice seeing that when Apple adopt it it just works and has been out that long that any issues have usually been ironed out

It is annoying the cost of an apple device vs other devices too, would love for Apple to just undercut their competitors one year which may tempt those that have left Apple back

But then I just love how as I mentioned previously, Apple just works, its simple, its clean, I do wish we had the ability to change iOS a bit with things such as AOD and choose which apps we have on a home page, but I Level things like iMessage and the apple store vs Google store

I have a few apple devices, and debating getting more, I wont leave apple, but not because I’m in the ecosystem (ive had an HTC One and S7 Edge previously and these 2 are 2 of the best phones i’ve Ever owned) but just because despite the downsides ive mentioned, I Prefer iOS over android
 
The G10 really isn’t that innovative. They stuck in the same muck as apple where smartphones can only get so much better until they can wake us up, serve us coffee and feed the dog. The finger print on the g10 is cool but I don’t see it as a must have. Neither is the camera or screen.

What’s novel when you first get the g10 becomes ordinary after a few weeks with it.
 
While I do think the S10 is a really nice phone I can’t stand Samsung’s skin on top of Android and I hate Android. Simple as that.

Plus Samsung is just finally doing what  did with AirPods two years ago, also Samsung doesn’t have anywhere near the ecosystem that Apple has so to switch to Samsung I’d have to give up my HomePod,  watch and the continuity with everything. Just not worth it.
 
No, I tried the Galaxy S9+ last year from launch and then switched to the XS Max at launch. It was a fantastic phone, and I really appreciated the control Android and Samsung gave me. But there were a lot of annoyances that got me to go back to iPhone:
  • Battery life: Although the S9+ got amazing battery life according to battery tests, I had to limit features to try to get the battery life I wanted, and even then, it still was less than desired. I consistently go to bed with 50-70% left on my XS Max.
  • Software updates: Yeah, Samsung has gotten better about this, but I was months behind in security updates with an unlocked device. Some carriers/models would be getting the August update, while I was still on the June update. I had this feeling bothering me that the longer I kept the phone, the more outdated it would get. I was concerned about slow updates, not getting updates at all, phone slowing down, having basically the same phone in 2-3 years as I bought on day 1 when it comes to software, etc.
  • Privacy concerns: It's known that Android is much less private than iOS. It's owned by Google, who is a company that makes profit on data. Facebook set out to get more data specifically from Android phones. Google tracks your location even when you turn location tracking off. Every time I'd leave to go somewhere, Google Maps would send me a notification about the location I arrived at. It really bothered me.
  • Less polish: The phone just felt less polished than iOS. Don't get me wrong, it was pretty stable and smooth, but still just less than iOS.
  • I missed Apple's ecosystem: AirDrop, iMessage, Find My Friends, Continuity... it all sucked not having these, especially when my iPad Pro is my main computing device the majority of the time.
The Galaxy S10 looks beautiful, but I've already had my recent experience with Samsung and Android, and I'm done chasing new technology. At this point, I'm doing all the same things on my phones - basic communication, web browsing, social media, listening to music, etc. Is it really going to matter if I have a tiny bit less bezel at this point? No.

I even kinda regret buying the XS Max so soon when my iPhone 7+ could've sustained me fine to this point and probably a few more years. It seemed so important to get rid of bezels, get a new form factor, spec upgrades, etc., and I do appreciate them a lot now, but it's not as important to me anymore. I'm going to use this XS Max for 3 years bare minimum, but I'm aiming for 4-5. By then, there will be a lot of accumulated updates that will be super nice to upgrade to.
 
I’m happy with Apple and the ecosystem I am in, but I have been intrigued to try the S10e. After looking into it a bit earlier though, I think it would just be more work than it’s worth. The S10 is a great piece of hardware and no doubt the software has likely improved a lot since I last tried an Android (S8), but I decided that I wouldn’t really be gaining all that much in the end. A few nice features, a really nice design, but I’d be losing integration with a lot on my end. All my Apple gear works so well that I think I just get an itch to try something different here and there, change things up. Adding a bunch of customization options, similar to the Apple Watch, would probably go a long way for someone like myself. In the end, I just want my products to consistently work well, get regular updates, give me good performance, security, and privacy, and have the apps I need to get things done. Everything works so well as is that I guess I get bored of it sometimes, if that makes sense.
 
I love reading everyone’s opinions.

I do love iOS as I said, it just works and flows between devices so easily, and that’s what keeps me hooked in, but I just wish Apple gave better innovations that justify the massive price increases many of us paid this year lol.

Still wish simple things like AOD would come to iOS, little things but I’d love to see Apple push the boundaries and make others follow them, instead of Apple playing catch up. A few years ago iPhones were years ahead of Android. Now iPhones I feel are years behind Samsung, Huawei, and others.
 
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I love reading everyone’s opinions.

I do love iOS as I said, it just works and flows between devices so easily, and that’s what keeps me hooked in, but I just wish Apple gave better innovations that justify the massive price increases many of us paid this year lol.

Still wish simple things like AOD would come to iOS, little things but I’d love to see Apple push the boundaries and make others follow them, instead of Apple playing catch up. A few years ago iPhones were years ahead of Android. Now iPhones I feel are years behind Samsung, Huawei, and others.

iOS 13 has been speculated that it will include ‘dark mode’, and if that’s true, at least it finally shows Apple is starting to conform to what’s been requested for years. An Always on display isn’t out of the question entirely, but I think it’s one of those things that Apple again has to conform to what the user wants to see in building and improving upon. So pay attention iOS 13, because it could include some features that have been requested for quite some time, which would show Apple is at least paying attention in that regard.
 
iOS 13 has been speculated that it will include ‘dark mode’, and if that’s true, at least it finally shows Apple is starting to conform to what’s been requested for years. An Always on display isn’t out of the question entirely, but I think it’s one of those things that Apple again has to conform to what the user wants to see in building and improving upon. So pay attention iOS 13, because it could include some features that have been requested for quite some time, which would show Apple is at least paying attention in that regard.

I hope you’re right. An always on display with a set of 3 complications similar to Apple Watch would be a great addition. Overall, customization could be handled tastefully in iOS, in addition to dark mode, and probably hit on what a lot of people want from their Apple devices. I hope they will start to listen to some of these requests and push out pretty simple features that people would enjoy quicker than they do today.
 
iOS 13 has been speculated that it will include ‘dark mode’, and if that’s true, at least it finally shows Apple is starting to conform to what’s been requested for years. An Always on display isn’t out of the question entirely, but I think it’s one of those things that Apple again has to conform to what the user wants to see in building and improving upon. So pay attention iOS 13, because it could include some features that have been requested for quite some time, which would show Apple is at least paying attention in that regard.
Let’s hope the rumors are true about getting rid of the irritating volume hud for something less intrusive as well as bringing dark mode and possible split screen for larger iPhones...
 
The folding Samsung phone is rather neat, but the phone is too bulky, the front, or back screen is too small and the tech is too immature for me to buy one at this time. I'll wait until the product matures and gets thinner and better. The Huawei one looks even better, but the center of the fold looks flimsy like a creased piece of paper. Apple is probably playing it smart to wait until the tech matures enough to be a reliable phone. Problem is they'll always be last to the party when it comes to new technology. Android has gotten a lot better than that steaming pile of cat vomit it once was during the iPhone 4/s/5 days. After all It's basically a Linux fork and Linux is a decent OS.
 
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Has anyone else just completely stopped caring about smart phones or is it just me?

The past few years I have really cared less and less about it. In September this one will be 4 years old, and my provider keeps throwing deals to upgrade at me constantly... I really don't care to spend the money or the time setting one up. I just don't care about them any more.
 
Has anyone else just completely stopped caring about smart phones or is it just me?

The past few years I have really cared less and less about it. In September this one will be 4 years old, and my provider keeps throwing deals to upgrade at me constantly... I really don't care to spend the money or the time setting one up. I just don't care about them any more.



Well... You might start to care again when in the future peoples phones will have the same height, width and thickness of your older phone, but have the ability to unfold into a tablet sized device. I'd say that's going to be common in the next 2 to 3 years.
 
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iOS is the only reason left why I keep coming back to an iPhone (XS at the moment), I do take a tour to the other side -Android- sometimes (Samsung S8, OnePlus 5T, LG V30, Essential Phone and a few others).

I did pre order the S10 though. Let's see if Samsung can pull me out of the walled garden of Apple ;)
Smartphones is one of my hobbies, also my most expensive hobby :D

But like someone else mentioned in this thread, if I look around me, both private and work related, the enthousiasm of getting or owning a brand new smartphone is getting less and less by the year.

Most people just want to be able to text, mail, some webbrowsing, WhatsApp, Apple Music/ Spotify and read the news.
And this all can be easily done with even an iPhone 6S or Samsung S7 from years ago.
 
Well... You might start to care again when in the future peoples phones will have the same height, width and thickness of your older phone, but have the ability to unfold into a tablet sized device. I'd say that's going to be common in the next 2 to 3 years.

Why would I want a tablet sized device? If I did, wouldn't I already own a.... y'know, tablet?
 
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As a iPhone owner/user, are any of you starting to feel the pain from sticking with Apple and watching especially this year so far, many innovative things coming to other phones and we are still using devices from a company who seems to have decided to stop innovating, and just release the same things year after year but make us pay more for it?

Dont get me wrong, I love Apple. I have the XS Max, Apple Watch Series 4, New iPad Pro, Airpods, Macbook Pro and 2 Apple TV boxes.

At what point do we as Apple Consumers stop allowing Apple Eco System which is what they depend on to keep us buying the devices that are falling more and more behind?

Just something I was thinking about today.

Seeing the new phones over the past few weeks and months that have been coming out, I feel we are getting kicked to the curb by Apple and EVEN IF the last 2 weeks of releases have kicked Apple in the a$$ to wake up, it will be at least 2 years before we see anything new and even then, it will be 2 years still behind Samsung and others.

Nope. Deep in the Apple ecosystem, and have no desire to look elsewhere.
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Well... You might start to care again when in the future peoples phones will have the same height, width and thickness of your older phone, but have the ability to unfold into a tablet sized device. I'd say that's going to be common in the next 2 to 3 years.

Seriously? These folding screens are a gimmick that won't last. No thanks.
 
Here we go.. Samsung gets an ultrasonic finger print reader In there display that no one knows just how reliable it is and 7 cameras and we bored. Apple releases phones in September Samsung in February... then. In the following September Apple comes out swinging again. A lot of the “innovations” you see from Samsung Apple les the way on... fingerprint readers weren’t a big deal before iPhone 5. Now we’ve moved onto Face ID which isn’t bad at all. Now the screen of the phone could be now we’re crying over a screen resolution in which Apple comes back and knocks that out the park in September... Personally I don’t need 790 “innovations” I need quality upgrades and innovations that count.
 
As a iPhone owner/user, are any of you starting to feel the pain from sticking with Apple and watching especially this year so far, many innovative things coming to other phones and we are still using devices from a company who seems to have decided to stop innovating, and just release the same things year after year but make us pay more for it?

Dont get me wrong, I love Apple. I have the XS Max, Apple Watch Series 4, New iPad Pro, Airpods, Macbook Pro and 2 Apple TV boxes.

At what point do we as Apple Consumers stop allowing Apple Eco System which is what they depend on to keep us buying the devices that are falling more and more behind?

Just something I was thinking about today.

Seeing the new phones over the past few weeks and months that have been coming out, I feel we are getting kicked to the curb by Apple and EVEN IF the last 2 weeks of releases have kicked Apple in the a$$ to wake up, it will be at least 2 years before we see anything new and even then, it will be 2 years still behind Samsung and others.

I’m sure if you hold onto that iPhone XS Max for three years Apple will have some compelling for you to upgrade to. Gone are the days of seeing innovation every year.
 
For me no. I choose Apple because it just seems to work more flawlessly than other operating systems. I did like the windows mobile os but it is dead now. I like the continuity between Apple devices. I like the iOS updates being pushed out by Apple as opposed to the carriers. I like the fact that I have an old 5s and it is on iOS 12 5 years after it was released. I know that android based phones are more innovative but for the most part I like that Apple waits until a new technology is a little more mature before Apple puts it out on their phones. This is just my opinion and not a judgement made against anyone that disagrees. I just like consistency and knowing that the phone just works. I have bought android flagship phones in the past got one update and then also my phone just seemed to slow down more and more for no apparent reason. Just my two cents and nothing more.
 
For me no. I choose Apple because it just seems to work more flawlessly than other operating systems. I did like the windows mobile os but it is dead now. I like the continuity between Apple devices. I like the iOS updates being pushed out by Apple as opposed to the carriers. I like the fact that I have an old 5s and it is on iOS 12 5 years after it was released. I know that android based phones are more innovative but for the most part I like that Apple waits until a new technology is a little more mature before Apple puts it out on their phones. This is just my opinion and not a judgement made against anyone that disagrees. I just like consistency and knowing that the phone just works. I have bought android flagship phones in the past got one update and then also my phone just seemed to slow down more and more for no apparent reason. Just my two cents and nothing more.

Just some sobering reality bites.

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Would I buy one? No. But I'm still sick of seeing Apple do more of the same over and over (same old rounded iPhone 6 sides on the "all new design language for the next decade")
I've never understood this trope. What would you rather them do instead? Square? Triangular? Hexagonal? Dodecagonal? Alternate between different shapes every year? Do you have a better idea?

Dieter Rams is an inspiration for many of Apple's designs through the years (and he seems to appreciate it). Check out his 10 rules of good design, listed and explained here:
  1. Good design is innovative. The possibilities for innovation are not, by any means, exhausted. Technological development is always offering new opportunities for innovative design. But innovative design always develops in tandem with innovative technology, and can never be an end in itself.
  2. Good design makes a product useful. A product is bought to be used. It has to satisfy certain criteria, not only functional, but also psychological and aesthetic. Good design emphasizes the usefulness of a product whilst disregarding anything that could possibly detract from it.
  3. Good design is aesthetic. The aesthetic quality of a product is integral to its usefulness because products we use every day affect our person and our well-being. But only well-executed objects can be beautiful.
  4. Good design makes a product understandable. It clarifies the product’s structure. Better still, it can make the product talk. At best, it is self-explanatory.
  5. Good design is unobtrusive. Products fulfilling a purpose are like tools. They are neither decorative objects nor works of art. Their design should therefore be both neutral and restrained, to leave room for the user’s self-expression.
  6. Good design is honest. It does not make a product more innovative, powerful or valuable than it really is. It does not attempt to manipulate the consumer with promises that cannot be kept.
  7. Good design is long-lasting. It avoids being fashionable and therefore never appears antiquated. Unlike fashionable design, it lasts many years – even in today’s throwaway society.
  8. Good design is thorough down to the last detail. Nothing must be arbitrary or left to chance. Care and accuracy in the design process show respect towards the user.
  9. Good design is environmental-friendly. Design makes an important contribution to the preservation of the environment. It conserves resources and minimizes physical and visual pollution throughout the lifecycle of the product.
  10. Good design is as little design as possible. Less, but better – because it concentrates on the essential aspects, and the products are not burdened with non-essentials. Back to purity, back to simplicity.
I've bolded three that seem particularly relevant in discussing the iPhone's rounded sides.

The aesthetic aspect is obvious; the rounded sides along with slightly rounded glass edges allow the iPhone to have a smoothly rounded shape no matter what side from which you look at it.

The long-lasting aspect is also obvious—Apple introduced the design in 2014 and has stuck to it (except the iPhone SE) for (at least!) 5 years. I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to stick with it. It's a design that works. If it didn't work, they wouldn't have sold hundreds of millions of iPhones with these designs.

Now, the thoroughness. Just as an example of the thought that went into the design, at first, the iPhone's mute switch moved along a straight line, even with the rounded designs before the iPhone 4. With the iPhone 4 through iPhone 5s (and SE), the sides were squared off, so this felt natural against the body of the phone. Then, with the iPhone 6 in 2014, they re-engineered the mute switch to use a rotary mechanism such that it rotates along the rounded side of the phone. That's attention to detail, and yes, they've stuck with it.

So, again, do you have a reason for why the sides should be any different other than being different, a better idea? Because Apple's never updated a product that I can think of to make changes without some justification.
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That depends on what they're counting as a "crash." The document to which you refer seems to no longer be easily publicly available, so I can't check to confirm. Moreover, is this counting how often apps crash, or just how many apps have crashed at some point?

I wonder if they're counting instances where iOS kills the app to free memory. If so, that's expected behavior, not a crash. I also wonder if that may have something to do with why their more recent reports no longer seem to include this data.
 
As a iPhone owner/user, are any of you starting to feel the pain from sticking with Apple and watching especially this year so far, many innovative things coming to other phones and we are still using devices from a company who seems to have decided to stop innovating, and just release the same things year after year but make us pay more for it?

Dont get me wrong, I love Apple. I have the XS Max, Apple Watch Series 4, New iPad Pro, Airpods, Macbook Pro and 2 Apple TV boxes.

At what point do we as Apple Consumers stop allowing Apple Eco System which is what they depend on to keep us buying the devices that are falling more and more behind?

Just something I was thinking about today.

Seeing the new phones over the past few weeks and months that have been coming out, I feel we are getting kicked to the curb by Apple and EVEN IF the last 2 weeks of releases have kicked Apple in the a$$ to wake up, it will be at least 2 years before we see anything new and even then, it will be 2 years still behind Samsung and others.
Hmm, as an iPhone user primarily, I don't feel any pain at all. The "innovations" you see on other OEMs are mere skin deep. Sure, they look great on demo and paper, but in the end, most of them relies on the silicon from Qualcomm/Mediatek, and the OS support relies on Google. To date, Google stock camera app don't even support dual camera setup, so all those fancy multiple camera tricks rely on the OEMs themselves.

And it's funny how many people think of Samsung as innovative. Seriously, what's so innovative about the S10?
- Punch hole camera? That's just a notch moved to the side, and Huawei did it before Samsung.
- Wide angle camera? LG, Huawei, all did it already
- In-display fingerprint? Sure, Samsung uses ultrasonic version, but the concept is not new and the Chinese OEMs like Vivo already put the idea in their phones last year.
- and all those for what, $900? And what, max of 3 year software support? What's the point of such "great hardware" if the software is abandoned by year 2 or three at $900?

If people want to talk pressure for Apple, look at the Mi 9. SD855, 6GB RAM, triple camera with wide angle and telephoto, all for ~$500. Makes Samsung's "innovations" like gimmicks just to gauge their prices.
 
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